Thai genomics centre predicts COVID-19 will become endemic in the near future

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Photo: The US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID)

 

The Centre for Medical Genomics, at the Faculty of Medicine of Ramathibodi Hospital, reported today (Monday) that Thailand is approaching the “end game” of the COVID-19 pandemic, with “a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel”, as COVID-19 becomes an endemic disease and Omicron the dominant strain.

 

In its Facebook post, the centre cited COVID-19 tests, conducted at state and private hospitals in Bangkok and its surroundings between January 3rd and 16th, showing the Omicron variant representing 97.1% of all infections and Delta 2.8%. The only exception is in prisons, where 100% are Delta.

 

The centre said the the temporary period of infection by two variants, Delta and Omicron, is nearing its end.

 

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[Danderman123]

The question is: endemic at what level? 

 

For example, infections in the UK are down to 70,000 per day. We tend to think in terms of a wave, where 70,000 will drop to 40,000 and eventually down to the hundreds. But what if it lingers at 70,000 for weeks? 

 

Same with Thailand. If I have a 50-50 risk of catching Covid any time I go into a bar, endemic or not, Thailand will be dead for tourism. 

 

If "endemic"  means small pockets that erupt from time to time, that's okay. The tourists won't care about that. 

[TooMuchTime]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The question is: endemic at what level? 

 

For example, infections in the UK are down to 70,000 per day. We tend to think in terms of a wave, where 70,000 will drop to 40,000 and eventually down to the hundreds. But what if it lingers at 70,000 for weeks? 

 

Same with Thailand. If I have a 50-50 risk of catching Covid any time I go into a bar, endemic or not, Thailand will be dead for tourism. 

 

If "endemic"  means small pockets that erupt from time to time, that's okay. The tourists won't care about that. 

Why would you be worried about a 50-50 risk of having a runny nose and cough?  What if cases were millions a year like the common cold!!  A whole lot of cases and very minimal deaths.  So dangerous that you may just be asymptomatic!!

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, TooMuchTime said:

Why would you be worried about a 50-50 risk of having a runny nose and cough?  What if cases were millions a year like the common cold!!  A whole lot of cases and very minimal deaths.  So dangerous that you may just be asymptomatic!!

Because thousands are dying from Omicron right now, worldwide.

 

Somebody else here estimated that Omicron is 4 times as infectious, but a quarter as lethal as Delta. That’s what the numbers show in the US.

 

So, yeah, there are plenty of Herman Cain Award winners who posted about Omicron being “mild”, before they died of it.

[TooMuchTime]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

Because thousands are dying from Omicron right now, worldwide.

 

Somebody else here estimated that Omicron is 4 times as infectious, but a quarter as lethal as Delta. That’s what the numbers show in the US.

 

So, yeah, there are plenty of Herman Cain Award winners who posted about Omicron being “mild”, before they died of it.

Thousands dying wordwide from nearly 8 billion people?  Doesn't sound too worrisome.  Yes people die, but at what rate?  So far it seems the rate is nothing to worry about unless you are very old and have multiple illnesses.

 

According to this random article it is .25% death rate overall.

https://www.dailypioneer.com/2022/page1/omicron-global-deaths-at--25-.html

 

  

Looking at US data people over 65 accounted for about 75% of deaths for covid.  25% for under 65 at a .25% all age death rate looks to be .0625% death rate  for under 65.  Or you can see it as 99.94% survival rate.  Take out all the severely unhealthy people out of that and you would probably near 99.99% survival.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm

 

 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, TooMuchTime said:

Thousands dying wordwide from nearly 8 billion people?  Doesn't sound too worrisome.  Yes people die, but at what rate?  So far it seems the rate is nothing to worry about unless you are very old and have multiple illnesses.

 

According to this random article it is .25% death rate overall.

https://www.dailypioneer.com/2022/page1/omicron-global-deaths-at--25-.html

 

  

Looking at US data people over 65 accounted for about 75% of deaths for covid.  25% for under 65 at a .25% all age death rate looks to be .0625% death rate  for under 65.  Or you can see it as 99.94% survival rate.  Take out all the severely unhealthy people out of that and you would probably near 99.99% survival.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm

 

 

You can rationalize mass deaths all you want, you know what they say "one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is, a statistic." 

[TooMuchTime]

32 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You can rationalize mass deaths all you want, you know what they say "one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is, a statistic." 

 

Roads deaths of Thailand each year to be at least 20k with a population of 70 million gives a living rate of 99.97% per year.  Hey this number looks similar to the covid one I posted above.  Are you going to advocate for banning cars so we can eliminate road deaths?  Who cares about the consequences of banning cars, at least we can save 20k lives per year.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/03/asia/thailand-road-deaths-new-year-intl/index.html

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1376875/thailand-tops-road-death-ranking-list

 

[Danderman123]

17 minutes ago, TooMuchTime said:

 

Roads deaths of Thailand each year to be at least 20k with a population of 70 million gives a living rate of 99.97% per year.  Hey this number looks similar to the covid one I posted above.  Are you going to advocate for banning cars so we can eliminate road deaths?  Who cares about the consequences of banning cars, at least we can save 20k lives per year.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/03/asia/thailand-road-deaths-new-year-intl/index.html

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1376875/thailand-tops-road-death-ranking-list

 

I will explain your confusion to you. 

 

You are not happy about Covid because of the restrictions the government imposes on you. And, yet, you minimize the significance of Covid because the government restrictions have been successful in minimizing casualties. 

 

It's kind of like saying that seat belts should be made optional because 20000 people died in car accidents. Obviously, without sealtbelts, many more would die. 

 

So, simply repeating internet stupidity about Covid allows you to forgo critical thinking. 

[jacko45k]

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Somebody else here estimated that Omicron is 4 times as infectious, but a quarter as lethal as Delta. That’s what the numbers show in the US.

Don't fixate on the US... their numbers wrt hospitalization and to some extent deaths appears far higher than Europe. There are more optimistic figures than yours out there. 

 

Omicron 91% less likely to cause death in infected patients: CDC

https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/omicron-91-less-likely-to-cause-death-in-infected-patients-cdc-122011301204_1.html

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, TooMuchTime said:

Why would you be worried about a 50-50 risk of having a runny nose and cough?  What if cases were millions a year like the common cold!!  A whole lot of cases and very minimal deaths.  So dangerous that you may just be asymptomatic!!

Or not. Apart from death as a consequence there is this.

 

https://scitechdaily.com/what-causes-long-covid-symptoms-new-clues-from-under-the-microscope/

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Don't fixate on the US... their numbers wrt hospitalization and to some extent deaths appears far higher than Europe. There are more optimistic figures than yours out there. 

 

Omicron 91% less likely to cause death in infected patients: CDC

https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/omicron-91-less-likely-to-cause-death-in-infected-patients-cdc-122011301204_1.html

Only the headline and picture of this report may have been reworked by the Business Standard staff; the rest of the content is auto-generated from a syndicated feed.

[TooMuchTime]

23 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I will explain your confusion to you. 

 

You are not happy about Covid because of the restrictions the government imposes on you. And, yet, you minimize the significance of Covid because the government restrictions have been successful in minimizing casualties. 

 

It's kind of like saying that seat belts should be made optional because 20000 people died in car accidents. Obviously, without sealtbelts, many more would die. 

 

So, simply repeating internet stupidity about Covid allows you to forgo critical thinking. 

Garbage comparison.

Putting on a seatbelt is different from forced shutdowns and coerced medical procedures.

Seatbelts didn't contribute to ruining world economies.

 

[ozimoron]

Just now, TooMuchTime said:

Garbage comparison.

Putting on a seatbelt is different from forced shutdowns and coerced medical procedures.

Seatbelts didn't contribute to ruining world economies.

 

Covid did, vaccines didn't. In Australia the economy was way worse after lockdowns ceased because nobody wanted to go anywhere in the face of rapidly escalating numbers despite omicron being relatively milder than delta. It is a furphy that there is some kind of binary choice between controlling the virus and the health of the economy. Until the virus is somehow controlled, the economy will suffer.

[hotchilli]

18 hours ago, webfact said:

The Centre for Medical Genomics, at the Faculty of Medicine of Ramathibodi Hospital, reported today (Monday) that Thailand is approaching the “end game” of the COVID-19 pandemic, with “a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel”, as COVID-19 becomes an endemic disease and Omicron the dominant strain.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, TooMuchTime said:

Garbage comparison.

Putting on a seatbelt is different from forced shutdowns and coerced medical procedures.

Seatbelts didn't contribute to ruining world economies.

 

You obviously don’t remember when seatbelts were mandated.

[wombat]

The sooner its declared endemic the sooner tourism can start 

[Cake Monster]

21 hours ago, webfact said:

n its Facebook post, the centre cited COVID-19 tests, conducted at state and private hospitals in Bangkok and its surroundings between January 3rd and 16th, showing the Omicron variant representing 97.1% of all infections and Delta 2.8%. The only exception is in prisons, where 100% are Delta.

Wow !

100 % of Infections inside the Prisons are the Delta Variant.

I would be really interested in seeing the fatality Numbers.

And last week only 60 % of infections Country wide were Omicron, and the remaining 40 % were Delta.

Would this statement have come from the Lab that performed only 2 full Gnome Tests per  Day, per province, during the period of End November to Mid January, or was that another.

There are so many Doctors, labs, Gov,t Officials Etc Etc falling over themselves now to tell us all that the Omicron is the end of the Pandemic.

What to believe, and who to believe over all this verbal propaganda, if any of it at all