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[Atlantis]

Jussie Smollett has been sentenced to 150 days in jail, and ordered to pay a fine of $145,000 (£110,000) for lying to the police about being the victim of a hate crime.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-47317701

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jussie-smollett-sentenced-in-2019-hate-crime-hoax

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/10/us/jussie-smollett-sentencing-trial/index.html

 

 

Edited March 11, 2022 by Atlantis
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[Atlantis]

And he's still crying innocent - not a shred of remorse.

I wonder what the phantom 'perpetrators' would have received as punishment for their fictional 'racist' 'homophobic' M.A.G.A-ism.

Give him the same minimum sentence for crying wolf - its least real victims of crime deserve.
 

[Credo]

And just who were the victims of his crime?  It doesn't seem that anyone was hurt except a lot of people's feelings.   Did he physically harm anyone?  No.  Did he damage any property?  No.   

 

The Court ruled and the judge has sentenced him.  The case is closed, IMO.   Stop trying to mileage out of it.   It's a done deal.

[Jingthing]

Reporting fake crimes is a serious offense. Being a "celebrity" (I suppose) meant the Chicago police had to waste a lot of resources on the case. The conviction is very credible. That said, I was looking at news of this on youtube and the comments section was filled with hate speech, mostly anti-gay. Fake reports like his probably do the most damage to minority groups that often are the targets of REAL hate crimes. Real crime victims will now be less willing to come forward out of justified fear of being called another Smollett.  Given his behavior in court today, I wonder if he would have done better with an insanity defense. What kind of future does he have? Doesn't look good but he literally did that to himself. 

Edited March 11, 2022 by Jingthing

[SiamAndy]

Too bad they couldn't give him at least a year. Him still stating his innocence at the end shows shows he is out of touch and in denial.

[bendejo]

More of this goes on than you might think, the goal is to get noticed in the press and it's usually done shortly before the release of movie or television show that the alleged victim stars in.  Recall the "beer summit" Obama called?  That was 2 weeks before the alleged victim was premiering a tv series, and notice that the press suddenly went quiet on that one, with no conclusion. Oprah did a similar thing with a shopgirl in Switzerland a few years back, that was a week before a movie she made was coming out.  This guy trying to turn it into a criminal case was obviously a step too far.  Notice that there was no "community uproar," not a peep from BLM et al.  The only celebrity I heard mention this case was Dave Chappelle, who said the way the community was supporting him was by not saying anything because everyone could see it was bs.  But some celebs did go public in the past week to get his sentence eased. 

 

On 3/11/2022 at 12:36 PM, Jingthing said:

Fake reports like his probably do the most damage to minority groups that often are the targets of REAL hate crimes.

Absolutely.  "Crying 'wolf.'"  And then there is the person(s) being defamed by the false charges: definitely does not engender good community relations.  Notice that even the liberal media in the US knows when to back off on these things. 

 

 

[Jingthing]

I don't believe such behavior is very common at all.

 

Smollet released:

 

Jussie Smollett released from jail pending appeal - BBC News

[it is what it is]

On 3/11/2022 at 7:32 PM, Credo said:

And just who were the victims of his crime?  It doesn't seem that anyone was hurt except a lot of people's feelings.   Did he physically harm anyone?  No.  Did he damage any property?  No.   

 

The Court ruled and the judge has sentenced him.  The case is closed, IMO.   Stop trying to mileage out of it.   It's a done deal.

if you followed the news you'd know how incendiary race crimes can be in the usa, not to mention wasting police time and resources and may harm the believe ability of future, genuine, victims of race hate crimes. finally, he has shown zero remorse for his actions.

[SunnyinBangrak]

On 3/12/2022 at 2:32 AM, Credo said:

And just who were the victims of his crime?  It doesn't seem that anyone was hurt except a lot of people's feelings.   Did he physically harm anyone?  No.  Did he damage any property?  No.   

 

The Court ruled and the judge has sentenced him.  The case is closed, IMO.   Stop trying to mileage out of it.   It's a done deal.

Conservative Americans are the victims. We were all branded as racists and bigots, you will remember the hoax was described by many prominent leftists as a symptom of the toxic culture the MAGA movement encapsulated. We were censored and silenced for questioning whether his story was credible. Such an outrage were these terrible white MAGA country representatives. Apart from it was fake. Other victims of Smollett's hoax would be actual victims of race hate.

 

" "The dangerous lies spewing from the right wing is killing & hurting our people. Thinking of you @JussieSmollett , and my LGBTQ neighbors." Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-tweets-supporting-jussie-smollett-still-live-despite-guilty-verdict-1658058

 

 You would imagine if the USA is really a hotbed of anti black and gay violence that Mr Smollett would not have had to pay people to oppress him. 

[Credo]

On 3/17/2022 at 5:21 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

Conservative Americans are the victims. We were all branded as racists and bigots, you will remember the hoax was described by many prominent leftists as a symptom of the toxic culture the MAGA movement encapsulated. We were censored and silenced for questioning whether his story was credible. Such an outrage were these terrible white MAGA country representatives. Apart from it was fake. Other victims of Smollett's hoax would be actual victims of race hate.

 

" "The dangerous lies spewing from the right wing is killing & hurting our people. Thinking of you @JussieSmollett , and my LGBTQ neighbors." Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-tweets-supporting-jussie-smollett-still-live-despite-guilty-verdict-1658058

 

 You would imagine if the USA is really a hotbed of anti black and gay violence that Mr Smollett would not have had to pay people to oppress him. 

Conservatives were not the victims.  Conservatives are the bullies, the aggressors.   You are 'branded' because those brands are true.   

[mtls2005]

On 3/18/2022 at 4:21 AM, it is what it is said:

you'd know how incendiary race crimes can be in the usa

 

Yes, thank you for this observation as we often forget,

 

See also Tulsa Race Massacre, 1921, 

 

when mobs of white residents, some of whom had been deputized and given weapons by city officials, attacked Black residents and destroyed homes and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma, 

 

The massacre began during the Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a Black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, the 17-year-old white elevator operator in the nearby Drexel Building.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

 

Charge dropped against woman who made false claim to cops about Black man in Central Park

 

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A New York judge on Tuesday dismissed a misdemeanor charge against a white New York City woman who became an internet video sensation last spring when she falsely claimed a Black man threatened her in Manhattan’s Central Park, prosecutors said.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-usa-new-york-idUSKBN2AG1Y7

 

Emmett Till, a young Black boy in Mississippi, turned 14 on July 25, 1955. Almost exactly one month later, he was brutally murdered after being accused of sexually harassing Carolyn Bryant, a white woman, in a grocery store.

 

Till would have turned 79 today had he not been killed. The two white men accused of his murder were later found “not guilty” by an all-white, all-male jury. Four months after the trial, which took place in a segregated courtroom, the two men admitted to kidnapping and murdering Till in an interview with Look magazine. Because they had already been acquitted, they could not be tried again. Neither ever served time for Till’s death.

 

https://innocenceproject.org/emmett-till-birthday-pervis-payne-innocent-black-men-slavery-racism/

 

Not justifying what Mr. Smollett did, but a suspended sentence, a fine and 2 years parole seems the the right (white?) sort of "justice". 

[mtls2005]

White folk only get in a spot of bother when there's video evidence.

 

Explains why they wore hoods back in the good ole days.

 

 

 

‘Soho Karen’ Miya Ponsetto could skirt jail time under plea deal

 

Miya Ponsetto — dubbed “Soho Karen” after she falsely accused a black teenager of swiping her cellphone at a Manhattan hotel — has struck a plea deal that would allow her to dodge jail time, it was revealed Monday.

 

Ponsetto grabbed headlines after she was caught on video accusing Keyon Harrold Jr., 15 — the son of jazz trumpeter Keyon Harrold — of stealing her iPhone and then trying to tackle him in the lobby of the Arlo Soho Hotel on Dec. 26, 2020.

 

It wasn’t her first brush with the law. Ponsetto had a charge of public intoxication dropped against her in Los Angeles over an alleged altercation in Beverly Hills in 2020. She was also charged for fighting with cops during a DUI arrest in an incident also caught on camera.

 

https://nypost.com/2022/02/28/soho-karen-miya-ponsetto-could-skirt-jail-time-under-plea-deal/

 

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

On 3/20/2022 at 9:01 AM, mtls2005 said:

White folk only get in a spot of bother when there's video evidence.

 

Explains why they wore hoods back in the good ole days.

 

 

 

‘Soho Karen’ Miya Ponsetto could skirt jail time under plea deal

Sorry to interrupt your off topic rant against white people, but Miya Ponsetto is a mulatto (just like Duchess of Sussex who identifies as being black).

 

 To give an example of white privilege by using a black person - well I think you can see the folly in play here.

 

It is disheartening(but not entirely surprising) to see Smollett's hoax hate crime being used as a cudgel to bash the victims of his heinous and sustained act.

[mtls2005]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Sorry

Are you? Really?

 

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

your off topic rant against white people

Wow, talk about a rant. Interesting that a few real-life incidents triggered such a response.

 

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Miya Ponsetto is a mulatto

I thought that she was (part) Puerto Rican?

 

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

To give an example of white privilege by using a black person

So now she's black. I see what you did there. Very subtle.

 

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

It is disheartening(but not entirely surprising) to see Smollett's hoax hate crime being used as a cudgel to bash the victims of his heinous and sustained act.

So you're still playing the victim card.

 

The force is strong with this one.

 

[Credo]

On 3/21/2022 at 5:36 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

Sorry to interrupt your off topic rant against white people, but Miya Ponsetto is a mulatto (just like Duchess of Sussex who identifies as being black).

 

 To give an example of white privilege by using a black person - well I think you can see the folly in play here.

 

It is disheartening(but not entirely surprising) to see Smollett's hoax hate crime being used as a cudgel to bash the victims of his heinous and sustained act.

Well here we have a racist apologist who starts out by using an offensive term for biracial people.   It's a well known racist tactic to question the authenticity of someone's race.  In this case, it's not even someone who relevant to the thread.  

 

Apparently, racial purity is the marker in determining worthiness.  At a minimum, it is a tactic used to discredit people.  

[Scott]

Inflammatory post and replies removed.

 

[Atlantis]

I hope this version below is no longer deemed inflammatory:

 

On 3/12/2022 at 2:32 AM, Credo said:

And just who were the victims of his crime?  It doesn't seem that anyone was hurt except a lot of people's feelings.   Did he physically harm anyone?  No.  Did he damage any property?  No.   

 

The Court ruled and the judge has sentenced him.  The case is closed, IMO.   Stop trying to mileage out of it.   It's a done deal.

Since another member has already responded with one obvious riposte immediately below yours, allow me to try a different application of your logic:

Next time someone is convicted of making false accusations of rape, try and make the argument that the only person hurt was the falsely accused, since according to you, all those other real rape victims hiding in the shadows, all those individuals unsure whether they have a watertight case, all those on-the-fence about whether any blow-back is worth it...they're not hurt at all. Except for their "feelings".

There we go.

[mtls2005]

On 3/20/2022 at 9:01 AM, mtls2005 said:

‘Soho Karen’ Miya Ponsetto could skirt jail time under plea deal

And this woman physically attacked a 15 year old. But she's "troubled" so her other run-ins with the law - booze-fueled fights - are excused and rationalized.

 

 

‘Soho Karen’ pleads guilty to hate crime – but avoids jail in deal with prosecutors

 

It’s a sweetheart deal for “Soho Karen.”

 

Miya Ponsetto — the rage-filled woman who earned the moniker after she falsely accused a black teenager of stealing her cellphone at a Manhattan hotel — pleaded guilty to a hate crime Monday as part of a plea deal that will allow her to dodge prison time. 

 

Ponsetto, 23, copped to one count of felony unlawful imprisonment as a hate crime for attacking 15-year-old Keyon Harrold Jr. after accusing him of the theft in the Arlo Soho Hotel in December 2020. 

 

https://nypost.com/2022/04/11/soho-karen-pleads-guilty-to-hate-crime-in-no-jail-deal/

 

 

 

[Credo]

On 4/9/2022 at 11:42 AM, Atlantis said:

I hope this version below is no longer deemed inflammatory:

 

Since another member has already responded with one obvious riposte immediately below yours, allow me to try a different application of your logic:

Next time someone is convicted of making false accusations of rape, try and make the argument that the only person hurt was the falsely accused, since according to you, all those other real rape victims hiding in the shadows, all those individuals unsure whether they have a watertight case, all those on-the-fence about whether any blow-back is worth it...they're not hurt at all. Except for their "feelings".

There we go.

I am impressed, you're going all liberal and woke on this issue.   Of course, it's wrong.  Of course, it's illegal.   Of course, there are repercussions from false reports of any kind and there is damage, but victims?  Not really.  

 

[Longwood50]

On 3/12/2022 at 2:32 AM, Credo said:

And just who were the victims of his crime?  It doesn't seem that anyone was hurt except a lot of people's feelings.   Did he physically harm anyone?  No.  Did he damage any property?  No.   

He actually hurt a lot of people of future "hate crimes"  He has for a long time cast a layer of doubt over people claiming to be assaulted.  He also cost the City of Chicago thousands of dollars in wasted police effort to investigate his claims.  He then furthered the expense by having the city pay for the expenses associated with conducting a trial, and bringing in witnesses.  IMO he got off easy. 

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On 3/22/2022 at 7:36 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

Sorry to interrupt your off topic rant against white people, but Miya Ponsetto is a mulatto (just like Duchess of Sussex who identifies as being black).

 

 To give an example of white privilege by using a black person - well I think you can see the folly in play here.

 

It is disheartening(but not entirely surprising) to see Smollett's hoax hate crime being used as a cudgel to bash the victims of his heinous and sustained act.

Ridiculous. By your criterion, there are virtually no Black people in America since virtually all carry at least some European DNA.

https://psmag.com/news/how-slavery-changed-the-dna-of-african-americans