Popular Post markclover Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) So I have a degree in Business English, the TESOL and experience teaching at universities. The Business Degree is exactly what they need. They don't need marketing, they don't need accounting. They need someone with an English Degree. I went for a job interview and there were ten people going for the same job. In the first few emails they asked me for 300 baht for ''administration fees''. So I paid it. The job is English Teacher / English Lecturer. The following races were in the waiting room: Filipino woman Filipino man Filipino man Malaysian woman Indian man Thai man African man African man British man (me) So they gave the job to the Malaysian woman. I spent 6 years of my life to get to that point, and a non-native came along and somehow lands the job. These people can barely speak English, and they get a job teaching English at a university. Edited April 30, 2022 by markclover 2 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lemsta69 Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) from what I've read it's been trending that way for some time so why is this a surprise to you? Edited April 30, 2022 by Lemsta69 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will B Good Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 Maybe she had other attributes? 2 1 2 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post userabcd Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 So they gave the job to someone who met their standards, who fit in with their requirements. It sound like entitlement and complaining as one who did not leave an impression with the potential employer. Just have to keep trying at getting employed where you will fit in. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post greenmonkey Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 why are they asking candidates to pay 300 baht for the privilege of applying for a job!? Honestly... talk about 'Thailand only' 5 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will B Good Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) I recall from my days of doing an MBA a lecturer explaining most interviewers make a yes/no decision within the first 30 seconds of an interview. The rest of the interview is then structured to support that choice.......frightening.! Edited April 30, 2022 by Will B Good 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdsa Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 If it is a serious university they might just do not want the hurdles of reporting your employment and paying taxes to your home country, and a Malaysian woman could have had a Thai passport which significantly simplifies the legal stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post worgeordie Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 They were cheaper , and good enough for the job. regards Worgeordie 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchis Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 These jobs attract another demographic nowadays mainly for budget reasons and you seem to fall out of it. I think you are looking in the wrong place(s). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Swiss1960 Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 1 hour ago, markclover said: I spent 6 years of my life to get to that point, and a non-native came along and somehow lands the job. These people can barely speak English, and they get a job teaching English at a university Something in the package you presented was inferior to the package of the chosen candidate... maybe your salary request, but given your mail, it might just be your attitude... 1 1 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StayinThailand2much Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) In Thailand, hiring teachers is not about qualifications, skills, experience, proficiency, or accent. It's about: 1. cheapest 2. female, if possible 3. youngest 4. 'most handsome' in the eyes of the interviewer(s). The OP didn't get the job as employers always prefer female applicants, no matter her qualifications, English proficiency, etc. The Malaysian woman probably had a higher English proficiency (accent, grammar skills) than the Filipina. Or maybe she was younger and more attractive. (If there had been a Russian or Swedish woman, asking for the same salary, then that applicant would 'automatically' have gotten the job.) The OP didn't have a chance with two female applicants in the room. With only male applicants, the job would have gone to the applicant with the lowest salary expectation. Edited April 30, 2022 by StayinThailand2much 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhaoNiaw Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 All the others "can barely speak English"? Really? Maybe the Malaysian woman has a degree in English and 10 years' experience teaching in universities. Maybe she was more qualified than you. Standard Malaysian English (as opposed to Manglish) is not so different to standard British English, mainly it's in the pronunciation. Maybe her English is fine for international environments and met the criteria they were looking for. Or maybe they could just pay her less? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Op, who was the best looking Malaysian woman or Filipino woman? i suspect the interviewer preferred the Malaysian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HappyExpat57 Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 The 300 baht up front fee should have been enough of an indicator that something was fishy. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Will B Good said: I recall from my days of doing an MBA a lecturer explaining most interviewers make a yes/no decision within the first 30 seconds of an interview. The rest of the interview is then structured to support that choice.......frightening.! Personality mostly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jak2002003 Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) Hmmmm. I spotted a few grammatical mistakes in the OP's post. I was a bit surprised considering his opinion that he was by far the the best candidate for the job. His post come across as rather entitled and a tad arrogant, not to mention raciest. Maybe his manner also came across like that in the interview and gave his potential employers a bad impression? Or, maybe he simply asked for too much money? Edited April 30, 2022 by jak2002003 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CharlieH Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 Nothing confusing, welcome to Thailand. She ticked the boxes for them, you didnt. Move on to the next, that one wasnt meant to be. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FriendlyFarang Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 3 hours ago, markclover said: So they gave the job to the Malaysian woman. I spent 6 years of my life to get to that point, and a non-native came along and somehow lands the job. Maybe she has an education degree, and is thus (at least on paper) more qualified than you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgw Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 @OP: would you like to work for an employer making such recruitment choices ? I didn't think so... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickelbeer Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Swiss1960 said: Something in the package you presented was inferior to the package of the chosen candidate... maybe your salary request, but given your mail, it might just be your attitude... If she was an attractive female, that's likely what made the difference. Expecting fairness in a job interview in Thailand is just asking for disappointment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 5 hours ago, markclover said: I spent 6 years of my life to get to that point, and a non-native came along and somehow lands the job. Who are you calling a 'non-native' sir? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsari Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 46 minutes ago, Moonlover said: Who are you calling a 'non-native' sir? I am uneducated but i know what the person was saying . Many schools ask for native speaking English teachers . Got it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, itsari said: I am uneducated but i know what the person was saying . Many schools ask for native speaking English teachers . Got it ? I wasn't asking you. Got it? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhaoNiaw Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 17 minutes ago, itsari said: I am uneducated but i know what the person was saying . Many schools ask for native speaking English teachers . Got it ? But the OP didn't say they were asking for native English speakers. He just thinks as a native English speaker he was entitled to the job over someone whose language may be as good as his and whose qualifications could be better (because "Business English" is hardly likely to be master's level is it). Anyway, not running away from a job that he had to pay to go to an interview for was probably his major mistake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Nonsense springing from an overactive sense of entitlement. Sad really. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 If this is a college/university, they may prefer an applicant with a higher degree - a step higher than those of the students you are teaching. So at least a Masters may be required for teaching bachelo degree students. Perhaps the successful applicant had that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) A post with a racial slur comment toward people from the Mediterranean region and the Middle East has been reported and removed. A grammar police post has been reported and removed. Edited May 1, 2022 by metisdead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamfalang Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 17 hours ago, markclover said: In the first few emails they asked me for 300 baht for ''administration fees''. So I paid it. I would never consider this company. It's a company, they are for-profit, let's not kid ourselves. Dude, yo, yo, my man, listen up..........There are like a Bil of peeps who speak English as their 1 language on this big rock.......some of them ain't no good at it, and some from the non-non-non are actually more EDUCATED, PROFESSIONAL, and a better fit for certain companies. I remember a school hired a native for a teaching job; he showed up, smoked around the students, talked soft (students couldn't hear him), and never smiled. He was fired after one day. But he can speak the tongue!!!!!?!??!?!!? yea, it gets you the interview.....maybe....that's it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdemundo Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 One of the big advantages of a teacher that is a Native English Speaker is that beginning students can model their pronunciation on their teacher and as a result will speak English with a more easily understood accent. I think this is less important at the post-secondary level. That ship (learning pronunciation) has sailed by this time, speakers of English as a foreign language probably have formed their pronunciation habits by the time they reach university. Having a natural accent is the only facet of language ability that I know of where a native speaker will (nearly) always be better than a non-native speaker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon43 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Sounds like you dodged a bullet. Move on, (after you request the return of your 300 baht, which is definitely what I would do if the employer wants to avoid unwanted bad publicity...) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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