Loiner Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: So these EU workers were driving down wages while at the same time sponging of benefits? Or is this just another example of the baseless and derogatory views that was behind Brexit? Working for low wages and still claiming benefits are not mutually exclusive. Only 16 hours per week and claiming UC. Then there’s a whole black economy. Plus all the education and health sponging etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 3 hours ago, RayC said: Or maybe it was the likes of supermarkets squeezing suppliers that kept wage rates artificially low. Then how would you know anything about the practical difficulties of getting benefits abroad or did you find that simple to get benefits in the UK that you can't believe there is an easier system? I can't provide details of any personal experience with applying for benefits overseas as I've never done so. Various industries, not only ones related to supermarket products. I wouldn’t know about claiming benefits overseas and I’ve never been able to claim any in UK and certainly non overseas. Sorry I thought you were advising me through experience about the ease of claiming in France Belgium or Italy. Perhaps you could clarify with a Eastern European, cos they’re sure to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, Loiner said: Working for low wages and still claiming benefits are not mutually exclusive. Only 16 hours per week and claiming UC. Then there’s a whole black economy. Plus all the education and health sponging etc. you seem to know how that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Back to Johnson. He’s been rumbled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Back to Johnson. He’s been rumbled. Why, what's happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 38 minutes ago, Loiner said: Working for low wages and still claiming benefits are not mutually exclusive. Only 16 hours per week and claiming UC. Then there’s a whole black economy. Plus all the education and health sponging etc. According to ONS statistics, EU citizen had a higher employment rate than other categories. It means that, in terms of taxes and various contributions, they were contributing more than the other categories. So they were actually subsidising benefits for the other categories, UK citizen included. The category with the lowest rate of employment (and hence the most subsidised) was that of non-EU foreigners, whose number is not affected by Brexit. https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/articles/ukandnonukpeopleinthelabourmarket/february2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Loiner said: Sorry I thought you were advising me through experience about the ease of claiming in France Belgium or Italy. I don't know what lead you to that conclusion but apology accepted. 1 hour ago, Loiner said: Perhaps you could clarify with a Eastern European, cos they’re sure to know. Wrong again, I'm afraid. I asked a Rumanian friend and he couldn't help as he'd never claimed benefits anywhere. Maybe there are a few Brits who could advise about the relative ease of claiming benefits in the UK and the various EU states? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: you seem to know how that works. Yes, and that’s why I voted for Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, candide said: According to ONS statistics… Who was it said: Lies, damned lies and statistics. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, RayC said: I don't know what lead you to that conclusion but apology accepted. Wrong again, I'm afraid. I asked a Rumanian friend and he couldn't help as he'd never claimed benefits anywhere. Maybe there are a few Brits who could advise about the relative ease of claiming benefits in the UK and the various EU states? Did you happen to have that Rumanian friend on speed dial? The workshy lefty socialist ones might. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Frequently report during the run up to Brexit, British employers across any sector that required physical work (building/farming/fishing/forestry/infrastructure construction etc) all complained that British ‘kids’ were not applying for apprenticeships/jobs on offer. British ‘Kids’ just won’t have it. Could you provide a link for that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 20 hours ago, Loiner said: 6.2 million of them applied for UK settlement. Surely that must be enough to keep our cheap labour supporters happy? Are they all still here, or just spending the last of their furlough cash at home before coming back to sign on for some benefits? My Romanian neighbours are still here in the U.K , as are the Polish, Bulgarians and other Eastern Europeans guys and guys working in my local Supermarket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 23 hours ago, Slip said: So which minimum wage job will you be applying for? You should be quick before the tories abolish minimum wage completely. You make that suggestion about Tories cutting benefits on the very day that Tories announced that people can use benefits to buy a house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 21 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: You make that suggestion about Tories cutting benefits on the very day that Tories announced that people can use benefits to buy a house The 2 are not mutually exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Could you provide a link for that ? https://www.economist.com/britain/2020/04/16/not-enough-britons-want-to-work-on-farms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 23 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: You make that suggestion about Tories cutting benefits on the very day that Tories announced that people can use benefits to buy a house Not quite. Johnson has suggested housing benefit be used to buy houses. It’s another one of his ‘shiny things for the future’ it is not a policy that has been put in place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Loiner said: Who was it said: Lies, damned lies and statistics. Somebody who didn’t like what the data was demonstrating. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: https://www.economist.com/britain/2020/04/16/not-enough-britons-want-to-work-on-farms That link shows that people didnt want to work on farms . That doesnt back up your claim that British kids were "not applying for apprenticeships " Do you have a link to back up this claim you made ? "Frequently report during the run up to Brexit, British employers across any sector that required physical work (building/farming/fishing/forestry/infrastructure construction etc) all complained that British ‘kids’ were not applying for apprenticeships/jobs on offer. British ‘Kids’ just won’t have it." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 47 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: My Romanian neighbours are still here in the U.K , as are the Polish, Bulgarians and other Eastern Europeans guys and guys working in my local Supermarket As if there are not enough of them already, the europhiles and big business want to import more. Keeps down the costs, locals on zero hours and the chattering classes domestic help available & cheap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: That link shows that people didnt want to work on farms . That doesnt back up your claim that British kids were "not applying for apprenticeships " Do you have a link to back up this claim you made ? "Frequently report during the run up to Brexit, British employers across any sector that required physical work (building/farming/fishing/forestry/infrastructure construction etc) all complained that British ‘kids’ were not applying for apprenticeships/jobs on offer. British ‘Kids’ just won’t have it." https://www.ukconstructionweek.com/news/why-dont-young-people-want-to-work-in-construction https://constructionmanagement.co.uk/fear-manual-work-putting-young-people-construction/ https://priestleyconstruction.co.uk/news/getting-young-people-into-construction/ Nothing that surprises anyone that works in and has direct knowledge of the industry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Loiner said: As if there are not enough of them already, the europhiles and big business want to import more. Keeps down the costs, locals on zero hours and the chattering classes domestic help available & cheap. https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/jun/10/rules-relaxed-foreign-teachers-work-schools-in-england Guess who’s kids will wind up being taught by imported teachers who don’t meet the qualification requirements that the Tories plan to ‘relax’? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: That link shows that people didnt want to work on farms . That doesnt back up your claim that British kids were "not applying for apprenticeships " Do you have a link to back up this claim you made ? "Frequently report during the run up to Brexit, British employers across any sector that required physical work (building/farming/fishing/forestry/infrastructure construction etc) all complained that British ‘kids’ were not applying for apprenticeships/jobs on offer. British ‘Kids’ just won’t have it." Entry-level apprenticeship starts down by three-quarters in eight years, campaigners warn https://www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/article/1751793/entry-level-apprenticeship-starts-down-three-quarters-eight-years-campaigners-warn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: https://www.ukconstructionweek.com/news/why-dont-young-people-want-to-work-in-construction https://constructionmanagement.co.uk/fear-manual-work-putting-young-people-construction/ https://priestleyconstruction.co.uk/news/getting-young-people-into-construction/ Nothing that surprises anyone that works in and has direct knowledge of the industry. Those links say that there is a skill shortage in the building industry and the way to alleviate the skill shortage is to train more people how to build, like having more apprenticeships and training . The reason as to why there is a lack of British builders is because there are a lack of apprenticeships and training (which is what I said) , you made the false claim that British kids don't want those (non existent) apprentiships . You made the stereotypical false claim that British kids are lazy and dont want to do building work . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Those links say that there is a skill shortage in the building industry and the way to alleviate the skill shortage is to train more people how to build, like having more apprenticeships and training . The reason as to why there is a lack of British builders is because there are a lack of apprenticeships and training (which is what I said) , you made the false claim that British kids don't want those (non existent) apprentiships . You made the stereotypical false claim that British kids are lazy and dont want to do building work . I made no such stereotypical false claim, I never once used the word ‘lazy’. I’ve backed up my statement with numerous links. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, placeholder said: Entry-level apprenticeship starts down by three-quarters in eight years, campaigners warn https://www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/article/1751793/entry-level-apprenticeship-starts-down-three-quarters-eight-years-campaigners-warn That link just shows that Companies now prefer to give apprenships to people aged over 25 years old and it also states that younger school leavers need to be given appentiships as well , which is my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 On 6/7/2022 at 4:33 AM, Hummin said: Hard to understand for one looking from outside how he managed to get in power in the first place! Unbelievable The opposition are terrible. He beat a communist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Just now, Sparktrader said: The opposition are terrible. He beat a communist. Who is no longer the ‘opposition’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: I made no such stereotypical false claim, I never once used the word ‘lazy’. I’ve backed up my statement with numerous links. You haven't . You have shown that there are a lack of apprentiships available . You didnt back up your claim that there are training and apprenticeship positions available and that British kids are not applying or taking up those (non existent ) apprenticeships . Can you back up your claim that there are Training and apprentships available, but British kids don't want to do them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Just now, Mac Mickmanus said: You haven't . You have shown that there are a lack of apprentiships available . You didnt back up your claim that there are training and apprenticeship positions available and that British kids are not applying or taking up those (non existent ) apprenticeships . Can you back up your claim that there are Training and apprentships available, but British kids don't want to do them ? The links I have provided back up my statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: I made no such stereotypical false claim, I never once used the word ‘lazy’. I I must have misunderstood what you meant . What is the reason as to why British kids didn't want to do physical work ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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