Jan. 6 committee says probe shows Trump led and directed effort to overturn 2020 election

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, g man said:

Not about Trump.

There’s nothing within the office of legal counsel that prevents us from doing an investigation,” Garland said. “There’s nothing that’s coming in the way of our investigation … We’re just going to follow the facts wherever they lead.”

Garland’s remarks about the office inside the justice department, which issues opinions for the agency that are broadly seen as binding, did not address whether the guidelines preclude charging, not just investigating, a former president.

But his careful response reflected the delicate and complicated legal considerations looming over the justice department should it consider whether to investigate and charge Trump over his efforts to reverse his 2020 election defeat to Biden.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/13/merrick-garland-trump-january-6-capitol-attack

Earlier in this thread you claimed testimony of allegations relating to serious crimes given by Cassidy Hutchinson was ‘hearsay’.

 

However Hutchison gave her testimony under oath and named the individuals she was quoting together with others who were also witnesses to her testimony.

 

Now you are calling for immediate Indictment.

 

You seem to not understand Hutchinson’s testimony will be investigated for corroboration.

 

The hearings aren’t done yet, the investigation is on going.

 

I know you would love the DoJ to indict without completing their investigation, but that isn’t going to happen.

 

Be patient.

 

 

[candide]

53 minutes ago, g man said:

Ok, but this dude, one of Trump's lawyers claims he wrote the letter but Hutchison testified she wrote it. She lied. Big deal, it means nothing except for criminal charges to Hutchison for lying under oath to congress. Stop worrying, the truth is likely to come out in the wash in the coming days.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-white-house-attorney-disputes-cassidy-hutchinsons-testimony/story?id=85898838

 

"The handwritten note that Cassidy Hutchinson testified was written by her was in fact written by Eric Herschmann on January 6, 2021," a spokesperson for Herschmann told ABC News Tuesday evening.

"All sources with direct knowledge and law enforcement have and will confirm that it was written by Mr. Herschmann," the spokesperson said.

 

"That's my handwriting," Hutchinson replied.

Hutchinson, a former top aide to Meadows, said that Meadows handed her the note card and a pen and started dictating a potential statement for Trump to release amid the Capitol riot.

 

 

It's pathetic how MAGA folks try to divert attention from the key aspects of this testimony, which they cannot refute, by focusing on details, such as a disagreement about who wrote a note.

One can be sure they have screened every sentence of her testimony, so if It's the only thing they found, It's rather positive for her testimony. ????

[g man]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

It's pathetic how MAGA folks try to divert attention from the key aspects of this testimony, which they cannot refute, by focusing on details, such as a disagreement about who wrote a note.

It's huge, it shows the lies, deceit and treachery the J6 committee will use to try to fool Americans. They get caught lying about anything Trump. This goes to their already eroding credibility. They are screwing up big time as usual. People are wise to the lies and shenanigans and will be reflected in the mid term election results.

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, g man said:

It's huge, it shows the lies, deceit and treachery the J6 committee will use to try to fool Americans. They get caught lying about anything Trump. This goes to their already eroding credibility. They are screwing up big time as usual. People are wise to the lies and shenanigans and will be reflected in the mid term election results.

Huh?

This really isn't about the midterms.

 

[candide]

9 minutes ago, g man said:

It's huge, it shows the lies, deceit and treachery the J6 committee will use to try to fool Americans. They get caught lying about anything Trump. This goes to their already eroding credibility. They are screwing up big time as usual. People are wise to the lies and shenanigans and will be reflected in the mid term election results.

So It's all they found about her testimony? A disagreement about a note? Meanwhile, Meadows plays the Ostrich, Faux News too, and Gini is whining.

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, g man said:

It's huge, it shows the lies, deceit and treachery the J6 committee will use to try to fool Americans. They get caught lying about anything Trump. This goes to their already eroding credibility. They are screwing up big time as usual. People are wise to the lies and shenanigans and will be reflected in the mid term election results.

Why then are you moaning about it?

 

Durely, if you are correct this a gift to Trump and the GOP.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, g man said:

 

Whats the odds of trump being indicted?

72 percent by the DOJ April 2023.

 

State of Georgia. Also 76 percent. Much sooner.

[g man]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why then are you moaning about it?

 

Durely, if you are correct this a gift to Trump and the GOP.

You are free to like all the lies going on, that's good for you. It's a disgrace and insult to all Americans.

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, g man said:

You are free to like all the lies going on, that's good for you. It's a disgrace and insult to all Americans.

I look forward to the testimony being tested in courts of law.

[Credo]

It's nice to see the rats on the Trumptanic scrambling to get in a life boat.  It seems the only things they have is to dispute what this witness has to say, but she wasn't a. principle participant, she was an employed observer.  As for the note, she said it was dictated to her and it is her handwriting.  That's pretty easy to verify.

 

What we are now getting, at least here, is the usual splitting-hairs and deflection.  To quote Mick Mulvaney, a former Chief of Staff, "“I know her. I don’t think she is lying.”

 

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3540034-mulvaney-on-hutchinson-i-know-her-i-dont-think-shes-lying/

[ozimoron]

Cassidy Hutchinson stands by 'all' of her explosive testimony as Republicans lash out to defend Trump

 

On his Truth Social platform, without providing any evidence, Trump claimed Hutchinson "made up phony and completely outrageous stories" and falsely claimed Hutchinson had been "caught in a ridiculous lie." He also called her a "phony social climber."

But the attacks are complicated by Hutchinson's history.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/cassidy-hutchinson-testimony/

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed.  

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, g man said:

I have strong hunch that this women is in legal jeopardy now, in way over her head and very soon she will be outed and find herself under felony indictment and trying to post bond. She's lying, obviously.

 

Trump White House attorney disputes Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony about handwritten note

"The handwritten note that Cassidy Hutchinson testified was written by her was in fact written by Eric Herschmann on January 6, 2021," a spokesperson for Herschmann told ABC News Tuesday evening.
"All sources with direct knowledge and law enforcement have and will confirm that it was written by Mr. Herschmann," the spokesperson said”.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-white-house-attorney-disputes-cassidy-hutchinsons-testimony/story?id=85898838

https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/06/trump-wh-attorney-shoots-down-hutchinsons-testimony-over-handwritten-note/

 

In both your sources:

 

'In response to Herschmann's claim, a spokesperson for the Jan. 6 committee said, "The committee has done its diligence on this and found Ms. Hutchinson's account of this matter credible. While we understand that she and Mr. Herschmann may have differing recollections of who wrote the note, what’s ultimately important is that both White House officials believed that the President should have immediately instructed his supporters to leave the Capitol building."'

 

A hand writing analysis should show who is speaking the truth.

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Apart from the testimony relating to serious crimes, we also have credible and verifiable testimony of Trump raging throwing his dinner at the wall. 
 

He never was fit for office.

But, but, but....Trump said he's a stable genius!

[Credo]

I notice with all the hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth by the Trump supporting crowd, they seem to completely ignore the fact that also presented were the threats made to the witnesses.  I suspect the Committee knows whose doing the threatening and they are likely to pay a price as well.  

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, g man said:

How many indictments against Trump, for sedition, insurrection? This is very serious now, but it seems like a big empty void nothing-burger.

I am quite certain they charged and convicted (plea-deal) the viking man with the fur and horns. But he wasn't tried for sedition, insurrection, attempting to overthrow the government. As far as I know no one has been charged for insurrection or attempting to destroy democracy on Jan 6.

The Clinton Whitewater investigation went from 1992 to 1998, and it involved far fewer people and lesser crimes.

[LarrySR]

5 hours ago, g man said:

It's huge, it shows the lies, deceit and treachery the J6 committee will use to try to fool Americans. They get caught lying about anything Trump. This goes to their already eroding credibility. They are screwing up big time as usual. People are wise to the lies and shenanigans and will be reflected in the mid term election results.

Thank you for the post.

It's good to know the nonsense the right wing media is feeding their wide eyed unsuspecting audience.

[Berkshire]

7 hours ago, g man said:

You are free to like all the lies going on, that's good for you. It's a disgrace and insult to all Americans.

Coming from a Trump supporter, this is just hysterical.  You've ignored the thousands of lies told by Trump, but are clinging to some tiny speck of inconsistent testimony from this young woman.  Reality check:  Most Americans will believe Cassidy Hutchinson before they believe anything coming out of Donald Trump's mouth. 

[heybruce]

Confirming the obvious:

 

"A British documentary filmmaker who recently testified behind closed doors to the House Jan. 6 select committee said that former President Donald Trump is living in “cloud cuckoo land,” and is incapable of ever acknowledging that his claims about voter fraud are “delusional.”"

"“Donald Trump is not a rational player. I mean, he just isn’t,” Alex Holder said in an interview with the Yahoo News podcast, “Skullduggery.” “You can't have a conversation with him in the same way that you can have a conversation with most other people. He is somebody that lives in a different reality.”"  https://www.yahoo.com/news/filmmaker-who-gave-footage-to-jan-6-committee-trump-is-dangerous-living-in-cloud-cuckoo-land-235650617.html

[Berkshire]

11 hours ago, ozimoron said:

From a hyper right wing rag this story is telling. If you read nothing else read the last paragraph of the WE link.

 

In an op-ed this Wednesday, the Editorial Board for the Washington Examiner declared that the testimony Tuesday from former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson "ought to ring the death knell for former President Donald Trump’s political career."

 

"In short, Hutchinson was a conservative Trumpist true believer and a tremendously credible one at that," the Board writes. "She did not overstate things, did not seem to be seeking attention, and was very precise about how and why she knew what she related and about which testimony was firsthand and which was secondhand but able to be corroborated."

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/trump-proven-unfit-for-power-again

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-2024-2657581297/

I read that article and was quite surprised.  The Washington Examiner is a right wing rag (still are) but they've completely flipped on Trump.  I guess they've finally figured out that Trump is destroying the conservative brand and are finally taking a stand.  Better late than never.  The below is an excerpt from that Examiner article:

 

[Trump is a disgrace. Republicans have far better options to lead the party in 2024. No one should think otherwise, much less support him, ever again.]

[ballpoint]

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

But, but, but....Trump said he's a stable genius!

That horse has bolted.

[KanchanaburiGuy]

It has been amusing, hasn't it?

 

To watch people who for years have acted as if "his lies don't matter, not in the least".......... suddenly want to dismiss Hutchinson because they believe........... horror of horrors.......... "she's lying."

 

Here's a clue:

 

Whether or not a person can be called a moral person........... is not defined by the fact that they use them from time to time. It's defined by the fact they don't use them from time to time.

 

----------------

 

I don't know whether or not Hutchinson is lying.

 

I do know that many of the people who automatically dismiss what she's saying because they believe she's lying......... threw away their right to be taken seriously on the subject.......... a long, long time ago!

[LarrySR]

Mark Meadows has been asked to testify by the January 6 committee  but I bet he remains silent, waiting to explain his actions to a jury after he is indicted. 
 

[xylophone]

12 hours ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

is that I absolutely LOATHE the man! 

Ah we have something in common.......who'd have thunk it!!!!!!!

[KanchanaburiGuy]

20 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Ah we have something in common.......who'd have thunk it!!!!!!!

No doubt it will leave your reputation in tatters............!

 

*wink*

[pomchop]

So it turns out that a 25 y.o girl has bigger balls than all the republican "men" who cower in fear of the orange haired dictator wannabe....how appropriate.

[candide]

An interesting article.

The Dumbest Coup Attempt ????

America was saved by pure indolence.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/hutchinson-testimony-trump-secret-service-jan-6-hearings/661427/

Quote:

"I hope it does not sound like I am diminishing the gravity of January 6 when I say that it was among the dumbest coup attempts in history—not because it was destined to fail but because of the trivial reason it was destined to fail. That reason is Trump’s incredible laziness and complete aversion to personal risk"

[KanchanaburiGuy]

9 minutes ago, pomchop said:

So it turns out that a 25 y.o girl has bigger balls than all the republican "men" who cower in fear of the orange haired dictator wannabe....how appropriate.

Hmmm, I wonder.........

 

On this bravery scale that has this 25 y.o. woman with "bigger balls" at the top, and the "cowering Republicans" somewhere farther down..........

 

..........where do internet poop- slingers fall?

.

.

More seriously, though..........

 

Ultimately, comparatively speaking, what does SHE have to lose...... vs........ what do THEY have to lose?

 

Think about it............

 

Those "cowering Republicans" could see a career they've perhaps been working toward for twenty or thirty years come crumbling down, as a result of "defying Trump."

 

She, on the other hand, probably faces a worst-case scenario of being offered several high-paying jobs for which she otherwise never would have been considered!

 

In a world of consequences........... she stands to come out pretty rosy from her actions........... and they could find themselves in deep doodoo, if they did the same!

 

It doesn't take "bigger balls" to make such a decision. It only takes the ability to do a little math!

 

 

[candide]

24 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Hmmm, I wonder.........

 

On this bravery scale that has this 25 y.o. woman with "bigger balls" at the top, and the "cowering Republicans" somewhere farther down..........

 

..........where do internet poop- slingers fall?

.

.

More seriously, though..........

 

Ultimately, comparatively speaking, what does SHE have to lose...... vs........ what do THEY have to lose?

 

Think about it............

 

Those "cowering Republicans" could see a career they've perhaps been working toward for twenty or thirty years come crumbling down, as a result of "defying Trump."

 

She, on the other hand, probably faces a worst-case scenario of being offered several high-paying jobs for which she otherwise never would have been considered!

 

In a world of consequences........... she stands to come out pretty rosy from her actions........... and they could find themselves in deep doodoo, if they did the same!

 

It doesn't take "bigger balls" to make such a decision. It only takes the ability to do a little math!

 

 

You are right that the ,"cowering" Republicans have much to lose.  However, you have no evidence that she will be offered several high paying jobs..

 

It's not without risk for her. She will likely be blacklisted by her usual employers (GOP politicians), may find it difficult to work in the private sector (it may not please Republican customers or stakeholders). On top of it, she gets insulted, gets threatened, may be assaulted by a right-wing nutter, would need a security escort for some time  etc... I guess she would prefer the normal life she had before

 

Why do you assume that she was motivated by doing a little math, and not simply by the will to do her citizen's duty?

 

Or should it be assumed that all Republicans are only motivated by greed?

 

 

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Hmmm, I wonder.........

 

On this bravery scale that has this 25 y.o. woman with "bigger balls" at the top, and the "cowering Republicans" somewhere farther down..........

 

..........where do internet poop- slingers fall?

.

.

More seriously, though..........

 

Ultimately, comparatively speaking, what does SHE have to lose...... vs........ what do THEY have to lose?

 

Think about it............

 

Those "cowering Republicans" could see a career they've perhaps been working toward for twenty or thirty years come crumbling down, as a result of "defying Trump."

 

She, on the other hand, probably faces a worst-case scenario of being offered several high-paying jobs for which she otherwise never would have been considered!

 

In a world of consequences........... she stands to come out pretty rosy from her actions........... and they could find themselves in deep doodoo, if they did the same!

 

It doesn't take "bigger balls" to make such a decision. It only takes the ability to do a little math!

 

 

Neither side is going to employ her I think but that's the least of her worries. She's going to make a motza out of a book.