Ukraine war could last for years, warns NATO chief; British troops must prepare to fight in Europe once again

[300sd]

The West having a war with Russia over Ukraine is pure insanity! We all lose.

[ozimoron]

54 minutes ago, 300sd said:

The West having a war with Russia over Ukraine is pure insanity! We all lose.

Tell it to Putin, he started the war and he alone continues it. The Ukrainians can't be blamed for defending their homeland.

[Lacessit]

8 hours ago, g man said:

Not long if Trump was involved. Biden and his admin have shown nothing but a propensity to screw everything up. Trump's the only one with stones to manage Xi and others.

Item: Trump kissing Putin's butt in Helsinki.

Item: Trump meeting with Kim Jong Un in the DMZ, giving legitimacy to his regime

Item: Trump dodging military service

 

Why do you think the Russians were so keen to get Trump elected, and keep him there? He's the gift that keeps on giving.

[g man]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Why do you think the Russians were so keen to get Trump elected, and keep him there? He's the gift that keeps on giving.

The world was a safer place until January 2021. But now, on Biden's watch; UA is on fire now and getting wrecked, Taiwan is next, America is a dumpster fire, all thanks to--who,,,Biden, thats who.

 

Refresh your mind back to Biden's comments in 2019

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russian-invasion-biden-2019-imagine-ukraine-trump

[g man]

Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who has recently urged Ukraine to accept an agreement to cede territory in exchange for peace.  His reason is apparently a desire to avoid an alliance between Russia and China, a reason similar to that for his earlier advice to President Nixon to open relationships with China, so as to discourage China from having a close relationship with the Soviet Union. If you recall that Trump used his alliance with Russia as a tactic to form a strong alliance to deal with the bigger threat posed by China. Putin and Trump running rough-shod on Xi could yield a benefit to the west.

The United States did not tolerate any Soviet missiles in Cuba in 1962, yet the United States now expects Russia to accept Ukraine as a possible additional NATO country on Russia’s border, only a short distance from Moscow.

Edited June 24, 2022 by g man

[g man]

12 hours ago, coolcarer said:

Sorry Vlad, all you’ve achieved so far is excellent PR for NATO and Europe to expand

No further deliveries should be made to Ukraine of military equipment which could threaten Russian naval forces in the Black Sea.  Nor should any deliveries be made to Ukraine of weapons that could seriously threaten targets within Russia itself.
A continuing war with Russia or a possible expansion of the current war is not in the interests of the United States, nor of the people of Ukraine or the people of Russia.

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16 minutes ago, g man said:

The world was a safer place until January 2021. But now, on Biden's watch; UA is on fire now and getting wrecked, Taiwan is next, America is a dumpster fire, all thanks to--who,,,Biden, thats who.

 

Refresh your mind back to Biden's comments in 2019

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russian-invasion-biden-2019-imagine-ukraine-trump

Sure. The same Donald Trump who withheld legislatively authorized arms to Ukraine for months while it was under attack in Donbas not only by ethnic Russian Ukrainians but by Russian troops.  Refused to answer their queries about the whereabouts of said arms. Was extremely sympathetic to Putin on the subject of his aggressions. He railed against Ukraine because he claimed that sabotage was coming not from Russian based servers but Ukrainian ones. 

[g man]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Sure. The same Donald Trump who withheld legislatively authorized arms to Ukraine for months while it was under attack in Donbas not only by ethnic Russian Ukrainians but by Russian troops.  Refused to answer their queries about the whereabouts of said arms. Was extremely sympathetic to Putin on the subject of his aggressions. He railed against Ukraine because he claimed that sabotage was coming not from Russian based servers but Ukrainian ones. 

And now look at UA, how about Mariupol, where is it now, on the moon perhaps? Open up your eyes, this war is causing world wide chaos, inflationary pressures, food shortages. Check back when US congress voted to suspend weapon aid to azov back, when 2014 perhaps. U got nothing, it's in everyone's interest to end this war now.

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1 minute ago, g man said:

And now look at UA, how about Mariupol, where is it now, on the moon perhaps? Open up your eyes, this war is causing world wide chaos, inflationary pressures, food shortages. Check back when US congress voted to suspend weapon aid to azov back, when 2014 perhaps. U got nothing, it's in everyone's interest to end this war now.

And yet the Europeans, particularly those on the border with Russia, disagree with you. Does that tell you anything?

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, 300sd said:

Yeh right. You may want to ask why that puppet Zelensky was installed in his position and by who!

Kind of irrelevant, he's widely popular and had garnered strong international respect.  But to answer your question he was voted in by a big margin.

[ozimoron]

15 minutes ago, g man said:

No further deliveries should be made to Ukraine of military equipment which could threaten Russian naval forces in the Black Sea.  Nor should any deliveries be made to Ukraine of weapons that could seriously threaten targets within Russia itself.
A continuing war with Russia or a possible expansion of the current war is not in the interests of the United States, nor of the people of Ukraine or the people of Russia.

Just so those naval forces can enforce a blockade and starve half the world's population and which has already been declared a war crime by several national leaders?

[g man]

China and India are buying Russin oil at a substantial discount, Europe and US are paying full rip and now mired in a pre-recessionary economy.

 

NATO has become a social-welfare organization with nothing larger than a battalion to oppose Russia. The French Army has about a week’s worth of ammunition. The Germans barely have 100 operational tanks. And we have nothing to deploy.  All of our influencers and opinion-makers and politicians, and all our high-tech weapons can’t dislodge a second-rate power like Russia. It's a total waste.

US contributes more UA aid than all of Europe combined, and so many people in US know not where UA is on a map. Yesterday, another $.450B aid pkg announced by Biden. Remember the carry-on movie series: Carry on Biden.

Edited June 24, 2022 by g man

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, g man said:

Its already blocked and the west /NATO had done squat about it.

For now. I wouldn't sleep well at night on any of those ships. Harpoon missiles are being delivered to Ukraine as we speak.

[g man]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Harpoon missiles are being delivered to Ukraine as we speak.

They'll be lucky to make it to the war zone.

[Lacessit]

39 minutes ago, g man said:

The world was a safer place until January 2021. But now, on Biden's watch; UA is on fire now and getting wrecked, Taiwan is next, America is a dumpster fire, all thanks to--who,,,Biden, thats who.

 

Refresh your mind back to Biden's comments in 2019

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russian-invasion-biden-2019-imagine-ukraine-trump

I don't know what Bizarro world you inhabit, the world was a safer place until Putin had a brain fart and invaded Ukraine.

Don't you get it, the Ukrainians hate Russians ever since the Holomodor, when Stalin starved about 6 million of them to death in a famine, then migrated Russians into the Donbas and Luhansk as an occupation by stealth. If I was a Ukrainian, I'd be trying to kill as many Russians as possible. That's why Mr. delusional Putin is now finding his vaunted army is running into a meat grinder. He thought it would be a victory parade into Kyiv.

 

[g man]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

I don't know what Bizarro world you inhabit, the world was a safer place until Putin had a brain fart and invaded Ukraine.

No need to attack me personally or my views or judge me, please refrain from doing so or risk being reported.

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, g man said:

No need to attack me personally or my views or judge me, please refrain from doing so or risk being reported.

Indeed. If you can't stand the heat, I suggest you stay out of the kitchen.

I am judging you on the basis you are presenting a twisted view of Ukraine, are justifying the actions of a  war criminal, thief and poisoner, and disseminating misinformation. You're on ignore now, goodbye.

[Bkk Brian]

20 minutes ago, g man said:

They'll be lucky to make it to the war zone.

Wrong again

Ukraine Sinks Russian Vessel Using Harpoon Missiles:

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/23/ukraine-russia-vessel-harpoon/

[Rimmer]

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[heybruce]

15 hours ago, g man said:

The world was a safer place until January 2021. But now, on Biden's watch; UA is on fire now and getting wrecked, Taiwan is next, America is a dumpster fire, all thanks to--who,,,Biden, thats who.

 

Refresh your mind back to Biden's comments in 2019

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russian-invasion-biden-2019-imagine-ukraine-trump

Blaming Biden for the war in Ukraine and absolving Trump is akin to blaming Churchill for World War II and absolving Chamberlain.

[heybruce]

15 hours ago, g man said:

Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who has recently urged Ukraine to accept an agreement to cede territory in exchange for peace.  His reason is apparently a desire to avoid an alliance between Russia and China, a reason similar to that for his earlier advice to President Nixon to open relationships with China, so as to discourage China from having a close relationship with the Soviet Union. If you recall that Trump used his alliance with Russia as a tactic to form a strong alliance to deal with the bigger threat posed by China. Putin and Trump running rough-shod on Xi could yield a benefit to the west.

The United States did not tolerate any Soviet missiles in Cuba in 1962, yet the United States now expects Russia to accept Ukraine as a possible additional NATO country on Russia’s border, only a short distance from Moscow.

"His reason is apparently a desire to avoid an alliance between Russia and China"

 

You or Kissinger will have to explain how letting Russia dominate its near-abroad, as China is actively doing in Asia, will prevent an alliance between Russia and China. 

 

China is supporting Russia in the conflict because it wants to establish and lend "respectability" to the practice of big countries dominating smaller countries.  Of course China will turn on Russia as soon as China perceives that to be in its interests.

[heybruce]

14 hours ago, g man said:

China and India are buying Russin oil at a substantial discount, Europe and US are paying full rip and now mired in a pre-recessionary economy.

 

NATO has become a social-welfare organization with nothing larger than a battalion to oppose Russia. The French Army has about a week’s worth of ammunition. The Germans barely have 100 operational tanks. And we have nothing to deploy.  All of our influencers and opinion-makers and politicians, and all our high-tech weapons can’t dislodge a second-rate power like Russia. It's a total waste.

US contributes more UA aid than all of Europe combined, and so many people in US know not where UA is on a map. Yesterday, another $.450B aid pkg announced by Biden. Remember the carry-on movie series: Carry on Biden.

If NATO is so useless, why is Putin so afraid of it?

 

By the way, $.450B is written $450 million.  Are you trying to confuse people who don't understand numbers?

[heybruce]

15 hours ago, g man said:

No further deliveries should be made to Ukraine of military equipment which could threaten Russian naval forces in the Black Sea.  Nor should any deliveries be made to Ukraine of weapons that could seriously threaten targets within Russia itself.
A continuing war with Russia or a possible expansion of the current war is not in the interests of the United States, nor of the people of Ukraine or the people of Russia.

Wow.  You are not even attempting to hide the fact that you are a pro-Russian troll.

[moogradod]

16 hours ago, g man said:

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A continuing war with Russia or a possible expansion of the current war is not in the interests of the United States, nor of the people of Ukraine or the people of Russia.

So lets end it now. By helping Ukraine to win it and punch the arrogant Russian bunch in the face as hard as possible. They should consult Sun Tzus "Art of war". If you strike dont do it half-heartedly. Or was this Musashis "Go rin no sho" ? Does not matter - same meaning.

Edited June 24, 2022 by moogradod

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18 hours ago, g man said:

No further deliveries should be made to Ukraine of military equipment which could threaten Russian naval forces in the Black Sea.  Nor should any deliveries be made to Ukraine of weapons that could seriously threaten targets within Russia itself.
A continuing war with Russia or a possible expansion of the current war is not in the interests of the United States, nor of the people of Ukraine or the people of Russia.

Really? Is that because you share the view of the Putin and company that there is no such thing as "Ukrainians" or Ukrainian culture? That they are really Russians? In areas where Russians have taken over in the South, where most of the people are ethnic Ukrainians, the Russians are now forcing schools to teach in Russian. You think that's in the interest of Ukrainians?

[JetsetBkk]

22 hours ago, g man said:

Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who has recently urged Ukraine to accept an agreement to cede territory in exchange for peace. 

22 hours ago, g man said:

The United States did not tolerate any Soviet missiles in Cuba in 1962, yet the United States now expects Russia to accept Ukraine as a possible additional NATO country on Russia’s border, only a short distance from Moscow.

Exactly. 

[JetsetBkk]

22 hours ago, ozimoron said:

On 6/24/2022 at 9:53 AM, 300sd said:

Yeh right. You may want to ask why that puppet Zelensky was installed in his position and by who!

Kind of irrelevant, he's widely popular and had garnered strong international respect.  But to answer your question he was voted in by a big margin.

He was a popular comedic actor TV star who played at being the president of Ukraine.  Just like now.  

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

He was a popular comedic actor TV star who played at being the president of Ukraine.  Just like now.  

He was also a qualified lawyer and still is.

[zzaa09]

Profiting and extending a deluded empire. 

And the dumbing down continues on.

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3 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

Profiting and extending a deluded empire. 

And the dumbing down continues on.

And Putin is its deranged Emperor/Tsar