The Woke

[OneMoreFarang]

14 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I am obviously of a generation that does not understand any of this garbage. I have a headache now just trying to follow what the hell the fuss is about.

Not long ago I thought about the same.

But recently all this woke ideology is all over the place, at least on the internet and "the west". Looking at news it's impossible to not hear or read about it.

 

Personally I have no problem if some people are gay or lesbian or whatever. But those activists are a big problem. And the activists make life difficult for many people. Jordan Peterson had to resign his job as a professor because of these activists. And not because he spread misinformation but because he asked questions. But those woke activists don't want to answer sensible questions. They want that you follow their "religion".

 

And because this situation is getting worse all the time I think it's good when more people see what is happening. Then more people can articulate if they agree with those woke activists or if they agree it's time to speak up against them.

[ozimoron]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

Not long ago I thought about the same.

But recently all this woke ideology is all over the place, at least on the internet and "the west". Looking at news it's impossible to not hear or read about it.

 

Personally I have no problem if some people are gay or lesbian or whatever. But those activists are a big problem. And the activists make life difficult for many people. Jordan Peterson had to resign his job as a professor because of these activists. And not because he spread misinformation but because he asked questions. But those woke activists don't want to answer sensible questions. They want that you follow their "religion".

 

And because this situation is getting worse all the time I think it's good when more people see what is happening. Then more people can articulate if they agree with those woke activists or if they agree it's time to speak up against them.

"woke" is nothing more than getting educated. If this bigot had merely rescinded his harassment instead of being an activist he may have kept his job. Can you see that he is also an activist?

[Bert got kinky]

 

I'm sorry but I can keep quiet about this no longer.

I find your post to be out of order and not what we expect to see on this forum.

 

[OneMoreFarang]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

"woke" is nothing more than getting educated. If this bigot had merely rescinded his harassment instead of being an activist he may have kept his job. Can you see that he is also an activist?

Why is he a "bigot"?

Or is that just the word woke people call all those others who don't agree with them?

[Fat is a type of crazy]

21 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

There we differ. I fail to see how if someone offends me I don';t also feel harassed. Offense and harassment are the domain of the recipient, not the perpetrator.

I can see by being specific to the person it is a bit offensive but surely the feeling of harrassment is not sufficient to merit a ban.  I don't get what he has done wrong enough to break the rules. The description of the procedure can be deemed a bit nasty but it is accurate too. Or is it that it was secret information about the procedure. Or was he on two strikes and a small third offence pushed him over the line.

I don't like his attitude and approach  necessarily but surely people can have a say even if their attitude is not appealing to all and sundry. I am all for people doing what they want but, like religion, people can surely be critical of actions or beliefs that aren't necessarily backed up be science at this stage. Sticks and stones and all that. 

[ozimoron]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

Why is he a "bigot"?

Or is that just the word woke people call all those others who don't agree with them?

Because he pushes offensive comments in the face of other claiming they are offensive. He doesn't get to decide if his comments are offensive or not. If he wants to continue to make them then be becomes a bigot.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I can see by being specific to the person it is a bit offensive but surely the feeling of harrassment is not sufficient to merit a ban.  I don't get what he has done wrong enough to break the rules. The description of the procedure can be deemed a bit nasty but it is accurate too. Or is it that it was secret information about the procedure. Or was he on two strikes and a small third offence pushed him over the line.

I don't like his attitude and approach  necessarily but surely people can have a say even if their attitude is not appealing to all and sundry. I am all for people doing what they want but, like religion, people can surely be critical of actions or beliefs that aren't necessarily backed up be science at this stage. Sticks and stones and all that. 

The twitter rules are clear on harassment. If people complain of being harassed, who will be the judge other than the person who claims to be harassed? What's important here is that this is about an individual person, not a generalisation.

Edited July 2, 2022 by ozimoron

[OneMoreFarang]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Because he pushes offensive comments in the face of other claiming they are offensive. He doesn't get to decide if his comments are offensive or not. If he wants to continue to make them then be becomes a bigot.

No!

He accepts that as long as people talk to each other that there will be times when people are offended. And that is not a problem! That's the moment to talk some more. People solve their problems peacefully by talking and trying to understand each other. Cancelling someone and someone's opinion stops conversation. And what happens after people stop talking to each other to resolve problems? You should be able to figure it out and then maybe you should think again if talking, even if some people might be offended, is maybe the better alternative.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

No!

He accepts that as long as people talk to each other that there will be times when people are offended. And that is not a problem! That's the moment to talk some more. People solve their problems peacefully by talking and trying to understand each other. Cancelling someone and someone's opinion stops conversation. And what happens after people stop talking to each other to resolve problems? You should be able to figure it out and then maybe you should think again if talking, even if some people might be offended, is maybe the better alternative.

Nobody gets a free pass to offend somebody on a personal level, as opposed to attacking their opinions and views. There is a big difference. This scumbag chose to do so. He was fired from his job and could legally have challenged that. How did that work out?

[proton]

42 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I think you've just displayed your true colours.

Yes, I think that this personal pronoun lark is the biggest woke joke yet

???? mine is grrr as I identify as a badger!

[Bert got kinky]

22 minutes ago, Bert got kinky said:

 

I'm sorry but I can keep quiet about this no longer.

I find your post to be out of order and not what we expect to see on this forum.

 

Sorry OneMoreFarang the post wasn't aimed at you.

In fact the post wasn't aimed at anyone in particular.

It was actually aimed at anyone who's thoughts and beliefs are not in line with this week's woke subject.

 

If I post anything anti-woke, I might be labelled a racist, a bigot or homophobic.

Unfortunately am still following last weeks list, as I didn't but the Daily Mirror this week, which means that there are probably 6 new woke rules and 17 new genders since I last checked.

 

it's always best to err to the side of caution in these matters.

 

 

[Gottfrid]

42 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

So your statement was false. It is harassment is the person who feels harassed claims to be harassed as a result of a perceived offensive comment.

No, my statement is not false!

No, it is not! For it to be harassment seen as a legal term, it has to stick in court. How a person feel about it, does not make it harassment, That is just an individual feeling, and some people get easily offended and some not.

So, now I have explained it for you about 3 times. If it does not stick this time, I am sorry. I do not have the capability or power to make you understand. That´s your job. ???? 

[howlee101]

45 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

So your statement was false. It is harassment is the person who feels harassed claims to be harassed as a result of a perceived offensive comment.

According to your statement...I can claim harassment by any of your comments just because I don't agree with you based on my perception you are against my way of thinking?  Really?

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

No, my statement is not false!

No, it is not! For it to be harassment seen as a legal term, it has to stick in court. How a person feel about it, does not make it harassment, That is just an individual feeling, and some people get easily offended and some not.

So, now I have explained it for you about 3 times. If it does not stick this time, I am sorry. I do not have the capability or power to make you understand. That´s your job. ???? 

You claimed a law existed then failed to provide a link to that law. I'm entitled to consider your claim to be false. That would be rational in anyone's mind.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, howlee101 said:

According to your statement...I can claim harassment by any of your comments just because I don't agree with you based on my perception you are against my way of thinking?  Really?

If those comments are directed at you personally then yes. The OP's harassment wasn't out the subjects beliefs, they were about her medical history.

Edited July 2, 2022 by ozimoron

[bokningar]

52 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

So your statement was false. It is harassment is the person who feels harassed claims to be harassed as a result of a perceived offensive comment.

Monty Phyton Life of Bryan moment here

 

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, bokningar said:

Monty Phyton Life of Bryan moment here

Irrelevant ridicule doesn't contribute to the debate.

[howlee101]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

If those comments are directed at you personally then yes. The OP's harassment wasn't out the subjects beliefs.

Doesn't matter what "you" think.  I believe you inferred the perpetrator doesn't get to decide.  So which is it? 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, howlee101 said:

Doesn't matter what "you" think.  I believe you inferred the perpetrator doesn't get to decide.  So which is it? 

The distinction must be drawn between personal harassment and criticising a person's beliefs.

Edited July 2, 2022 by ozimoron

[howlee101]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The distinction must be drawn between personal harassment and criticising a person's beliefs.

Ah I got it now.  So only like minded people you agree with get to decide where the line is drawn, and what is perceived harassment or criticism.  Can't have it both ways.

[Reposed]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 Your world view will never acknowledge that people have a right to feel offended.

Yes, they do. 

 

But being offended requires the offendee to want to be offended.

 

I have been insulted numerous times, but never offended. My self-respect, self-confidence, and self esteem are firmly intact.

 

Anyone can say what they want about me, they will never offend me and I'll never whine like a baby (like some members on this forum).

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Reposed said:

Yes, they do. 

 

But being offended requires the offendee to want to be offended.

 

I have been insulted numerous times, but never offended. My self-respect, self-confidence, and self esteem are firmly intact.

 

Anyone can say what they want about me, they will never offend me and I'll never whine like a baby (like some members on this forum).

How is any of that relevant to a person who is actually offended?

 

I don't see anybody on this forum whining like a baby other than perhaps those whose wish to offend with impunity is challenged.

Edited July 2, 2022 by ozimoron

[proton]

14 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Irrelevant ridicule doesn't contribute to the debate.

Sometimes all there that's left is ridicule ????

[ozimoron]

Just now, proton said:

Sometimes all there that's left is ridicule ????

Once you are unable to put up a cogent argument instead.

[OneMoreFarang]

21 minutes ago, Bert got kinky said:

Sorry OneMoreFarang the post wasn't aimed at you.

In fact the post wasn't aimed at anyone in particular.

Thanks. I was not sure how to interpret your post but I though I will find out. Now you clarified it. Thanks.

 

One reason that I started this thread is because it feels so surreal. If anybody would have predicted something like this a few years ago nobody would have believed it could happen.

And I thought I am sure people like to discuss this and it will be an interesting topic here. It seems I was right.

 

And just to p$#$# off the woke a little more, here something from the good old times. ????

 

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

23 minutes ago, bokningar said:

Monty Phyton Life of Bryan moment here

Thanks.

I just answered a comment from above and added the same video.

I remember how we laughed about that at that time. And nobody though there could ever be a time when people would take this serious. 

I guess it's another sign that I am getting old that I don't understand this modern world anymore.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Thanks.

I just answered a comment from above and added the same video.

I remember how we laughed about that at that time. And nobody though there could ever be a time when people would take this serious. 

I guess it's another sign that I am getting old that I don't understand this modern world anymore.

I guess that's true because the video is in no way related to the topic.

[OneMoreFarang]

12 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I guess that's true because the video is in no way related to the topic.

Is it?

What do you think would have happened if Monty Python would have even thought about such a movie today?

They all would have been canceled.

The woke would probably demanded the death penalty for all those traitors.

 

[ozimoron]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

Is it?

What do you think would have happened if Monty Python would have even thought about such a movie today?

They all would have been canceled.

The woke would probably demanded the death penalty for all those traitors.

Your fantasies about what the "woke" want are not based in any kind of reality that you can elucidate. They are your opinion and you make no effort to support it.

[Bert got kinky]

28 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Your fantasies about what the "woke" want are not based in any kind of reality that you can elucidate. They are your opinion and you make no effort to support it.

and what a hero OneMoreFarang is becoming.

Why should we bow down to the woke's every need, they are a selfish crowd who only worry about their own personal feelings.

The might seem all nice and project their view of 'let's be good to all living things'.

However, if you do not agree with their personal mantra, they will tear you into shreds.

They will also employ everyone in their vicinity to verbally (and in some cases, physically) assault their non-believers. 

No nicety about it, shreds.

Any one who is not woke has to pretend to be woke just to survive/keep their job, etc.

 

The anti-wokeness is being beaten out of us with force.

I would suggest that at all future sporting events, we should take a knee in for the anti-wokers that are suffering in the world today.

 

In Fact, we should also take a knee to offer our condolences and support to mark the death of 'funny' comedy.

 

Edited July 2, 2022 by Bert got kinky