placeholder Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 19 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: That is why many people voted Brexit and the UK builders who are no longer getting undercut by 30-40 % are quite content with Brexit Really? I guess their willingness to sacrifice doesn't extend to the UK agricultural sector, which will be badly hurt by the Australian deal. I guess buyers of new homes are rejoicing that their homes will cost anywhere from 40% to 55% more than they otherwise would have cost according to your figures. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mavideol Posted December 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2022 16 hours ago, vinny41 said: And according to the EU the EU population has decreased for the 2nd year EU population continues to decrease for a second year by decreasing so much one has to wonder how long before they reach the 26 million Australian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 18 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Well , YOU don't know about the 71 other trade deals the UK has signed with other Countries but the rest of the World does know about them be so kind to enlighten us and name some 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Just now, Mavideol said: by decreasing so much one has to wonder how long before they reach the 26 million Australian Well, Australia's population is increasing so it won't be 26 million Australians but quite a bit more. A lot of that is due to the fact that 29% of Australians are immigrants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mavideol said: be so kind to enlighten us and name some The Australian deal. ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, placeholder said: Well, Australia's population is increasing so it won't be 26 million Australians but quite a bit more. A lot of that is due to the fact that 29% of Australians are immigrants. Now the indigenous English will go through what happened to the Celts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Kwasaki said: Now the indigenous English will go through what happened to the Celts. Are you seriously claiming that Australians of English descent are indigenous to Australia? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: The Australian deal. ???? I was expecting the NZ one 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted December 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: Now the indigenous English will go through what happened to the Celts. The english are not indigenous to Australia. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: Now the indigenous English will go through what happened to the Celts. It's clear that you don't understand that it's the aboriginal people of Australia who are the Celts in your example. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 29 minutes ago, placeholder said: Are you seriously claiming that Australians of English descent are indigenous to Australia? No, many people know the Aboriginie people were populating Oz and there were probably others before them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 59 minutes ago, superal said: The greedy UK building companies and farmers were employing cheap foreign labour in order to maximise their profits . They had no worries about the local workforce who were out of work and had mortgages with some even losing their houses . Pay a decent wage and the labour will work for you . Back to the main topic . The UK is now " Work in progress " . It will take 4 or 5 years to become economically stable and not reliant on the E.U. for trade and will become a stand alone strong independent country . Brexit was the best event as the UK has regained its self rule . No pain is no gain and staying in the E.C. would stunt any UK growth in the long term . To the remainers I say , watch the E.U. go into recession next year . With Macron trying to become the president of Europe . We need to make another distinction. The threat to the UK’s farming industry created by the UK’s surrender trade deals with NZ and Australia does not arise from labour costs, it’s a direct result of UK farm production being undercut. Both the UK building industry and Farming have long term labour problems, Brexit has made those problems worse. The UK already has labour shortages across all sectors and a Government which is actively seeking to suppress wage increases. End result, fewer workers, less production, lower productivity, lower GDP added to the already present recession. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 34 minutes ago, Mavideol said: I was expecting the NZ one 555 I would like to see many more deals to lift UK live from it's depth of despair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: I would like to see many more deals to lift UK live from it's depth of despair. A deal with its closest integrated market would do the job, a free trade agreement with such a wealthy integrated market would definitely do the job. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 29 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: The english are not indigenous to Australia. My bad I did mean to refer it to struggling UK, never mind the UK will change dramatically over time and I see civil unrest becoming a constant problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Kwasaki said: My bad I did mean to refer it to struggling UK, never mind the UK will change dramatically over time and I see civil unrest becoming a constant problem. If this problem is people not being able to afford to feed their families is allowed to continue, so do I. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 46 minutes ago, placeholder said: It's clear that you don't understand that it's the aboriginal people of Australia who are the Celts in your example. Not really mis-understanding is a bit rich, when you talk of African people's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: A deal with its closest integrated market would do the job, a free trade agreement with such a wealthy integrated market would definitely do the job. Like the rest of the world in peace and trading, I quite agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: Not really mis-understanding is a bit rich, when you talk of African people's. Well, your words are English but I don't understand the reference to "African people's". Do you mean that homo sapiens were originally an African species? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, placeholder said: You called the English in Australia "indigenous". What does indigenous mean? Did you really post that. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: Did you really post that. ???? Well, it may not have been what you meant, but it is what your text meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, placeholder said: Well, your words are English but I don't understand the reference to "African people's". Do you mean that homo sapiens were originally an African species? Did you not know that, there were others to before homo's, and to make it clear I don't mean irons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Kwasaki said: Did you not know that, there were others to before homo's, and to make it clear I don't mean irons. "and to make it clear I don't mean irons." ????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 24 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: Like the rest of the world in peace and trading, I quite agree. The UK has always been able to and always has traded with the rest of the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted December 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2022 25 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: The UK has always been able to and always has traded with the rest of the world. The UK government's negotiating team did a study and predicted that a free trade agreement with the USA would increase the UK's GDP by, at most, a whopping 0.16% Post-Brexit UK-US trade deal could boost economy by 0.16%, Government predicts A post-Brexit trade deal with the US is estimated as having the potential to grow the UK economy by 0.16%, according to the Government’s negotiating objectives. The £3.4 billion yearly increase outlined in the document published on Monday was predicted under the best-case scenario where the UK eliminates import tariffs with the States. But if only “substantial tariff liberalisation” is achieved, then the increase estimated in 15 years was put at 0.07%, or £1.6 billion, in the Governments’ preliminary assessment. https://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/national/18274378.post-brexit-uk-us-trade-deal-boost-economy-0-16-government-predicts/ In fact, the UK exported a record amount to the USA in 2019. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports/united-states 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kwasaki said: I would like to see many more deals to lift UK live from it's depth of despair. they had the best deal any country could have dreamed off but some decided to screw it up .... now they are trying to collect any (small deal) left overs 555 UK trade agreements in effect https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-agreements-in-effect if that helps feel free to consult the Brexit guidance to trade with EU which prior to the Brexit had no guidance's and/or limitations, it appears the UK shoot themselves on their "rear" Brexit guidance Find out how new Brexit rules apply to things like travel and doing business with Europe. https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/brexit-guidance Edited December 12, 2022 by Mavideol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, placeholder said: The UK government's negotiating team did a study and predicted that a free trade agreement with the USA would increase the UK's GDP by, at most, a whopping 0.16% Post-Brexit UK-US trade deal could boost economy by 0.16%, Government predicts A post-Brexit trade deal with the US is estimated as having the potential to grow the UK economy by 0.16%, according to the Government’s negotiating objectives. The £3.4 billion yearly increase outlined in the document published on Monday was predicted under the best-case scenario where the UK eliminates import tariffs with the States. But if only “substantial tariff liberalisation” is achieved, then the increase estimated in 15 years was put at 0.07%, or £1.6 billion, in the Governments’ preliminary assessment. https://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/national/18274378.post-brexit-uk-us-trade-deal-boost-economy-0-16-government-predicts/ In fact, the UK exported a record amount to the USA in 2019. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports/united-states not going to happen any time soon US ‘will not entertain’ UK trade deal that risks Good Friday agreement https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/24/us-will-not-entertain-uk-trade-deal-that-risks-good-friday-agreement 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kwasaki said: I would like to see many more deals to lift UK live from it's depth of despair. an update to the current trade deal the UK has..... current talks and agreements are not signed deals but it appears the UK can eat more NZ lamb 555 Brexit: What trade deals has the UK done so far? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47213842 Most recently it signed a deal with New Zealand on 28 February 2022. New Zealand is a small trading partner, accounting for less than 0.2% of total UK trade. While the deal is unlikely to boost the UK economy by much, it could lead to more New Zealand lamb being sold in the UK. Edited December 12, 2022 by Mavideol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted December 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Kwasaki said: My bad I did mean to refer it to struggling UK, never mind the UK will change dramatically over time and I see civil unrest becoming a constant problem. that's brexit for you... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted December 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, placeholder said: The UK government's negotiating team did a study and predicted that a free trade agreement with the USA would increase the UK's GDP by, at most, a whopping 0.16% Post-Brexit UK-US trade deal could boost economy by 0.16%, Government predicts A post-Brexit trade deal with the US is estimated as having the potential to grow the UK economy by 0.16%, according to the Government’s negotiating objectives. The £3.4 billion yearly increase outlined in the document published on Monday was predicted under the best-case scenario where the UK eliminates import tariffs with the States. But if only “substantial tariff liberalisation” is achieved, then the increase estimated in 15 years was put at 0.07%, or £1.6 billion, in the Governments’ preliminary assessment. https://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/national/18274378.post-brexit-uk-us-trade-deal-boost-economy-0-16-government-predicts/ In fact, the UK exported a record amount to the USA in 2019. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports/united-states The issue with a U.S. /UK trade deal is the conditions the US will attach, the US ‘shopping list’ is already known to include: Removal and/diluting of regulations and legislation covering: Food contents and food labeling. Sale of GM foods into the market (unlabeled). Agricultural animal welfare standards. Use of pharmaceuticals in agricultural animal raising. Privatization of UK Health services and access of US insurance companies to replace direct NHS funding. Direct lobbying of US Companies into UK Government. Removal of taxation on US tech companies. Dictating terms of UK/Ireland negations. Veto on any trade deals the UK wishes to make. ……. It is perhaps a good thing for UK citizens that the US is not at this time interested in striking a trade deal with the UK. Perhaps Washington has a view in where the future of the UK belongs. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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