Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[Bluespunk]

10 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Fair enough , peoples opinion has now changed and they realise that Brexit and Ukraine are the main reasons for UK's problems and I failed to keep up with that manoeuvre .

   Now that the wholesale gas price has  gone back to pre Ukraine war prices , hopefully the UK can get inflation back under control

Think again 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/04/record-133-uk-food-inflation-raises-fears-of-another-difficult-year?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[RayC]

2 hours ago, puchooay said:

Thanks for your acknowledgement of the rules. Finally.

I'd acknowledged them all along. But thanks for your appreciation.

 

2 hours ago, puchooay said:

 

You now agree that UK would have had to bend the rules in order to have given the deal to a UK bidder.

 

Thank you.

Ah, such blissful innocence!

 

(see my reply to Mac).

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3 hours ago, puchooay said:

Thanks for your acknowledgement of the rules. Finally.

 

You now agree that UK would have had to bend the rules in order to have given the deal to a UK bidder.

 

Thank you.

Given that the govt of the UK has actually proposed breaking the rules, what's the big deal about bending them?

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Given that the govt of the UK has actually proposed breaking the rules, what's the big deal about bending them?

Two different sections of the Government dealing with two different issues in two different situations , where in one instance the breaking/changing  of some rules would be necessary and in another situation where breaking the rules wouldnt be necessary 

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6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Two different sections of the Government dealing with two different issues in two different situations , where in one instance the breaking/changing  of some rules would be necessary and in another situation where breaking the rules wouldnt be necessary 

Necessary? No choice in the matter? Really?

[Mac Mickmanus]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Necessary? No choice in the matter? Really?

Could you take my whole post onto consideration and not  just pick one word out ?

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Could you take my whole post onto consideration and not  just pick one word out ?

Because "necessary" isn't the key word to justify the distinction? Your objection is utterly irrelevant.

[puchooay]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But the UK didn’t have to leave the EU to issue ‘Blue Passports’.

 

Arguably the only tangible BREXIT benefit was not actually a BREXIT benefit.

 

 

Who ever said they did? Inane comment.

[puchooay]

31 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Given that the govt of the UK has actually proposed breaking the rules, what's the big deal about bending them?

Nothing to do with my post. 

[superal]

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps some of the £350,000,000 per week should have arrived on the BREXIT bus by now.

 

Put that towards wage increases to keep NHS staff in work rather than having to strike to get their pay to keep pace with inflation.

 

Brexiteers will of course support this, increased wages for working people was a claimed BREXIT bonus.

 

Of course nobody really expected working people to get a pay ride out of a Tory Government without fighting for it.

 

Next up:

 

We can’t see the benefits of Brexit, they’ve been wiped out by strikes.

‘Jam tomorrow’, ‘warm sunlight uplands’ just over the horizon.

Meanwhile UK food price inflation hits 13.3%, of course workers are demanding wage rises that keep up with inflation, they have families to feed, clothe and provide a home for.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/04/record-133-uk-food-inflation-raises-fears-of-another-difficult-year

and the E.U. at 17.5% food inflation  https://www.statista.com/statistics/1286407/eu-food-inflation-rate/ 

plus there are also strikes within the E.U.  

www.euronews.com/travel/2022/12/23/train-strikes-these-are-the-countries-that-pay-train-drivers-the-most-and-the-least-in-eur ( copy & paste )

 

If you care to read the articles above they will explain that most countries within the E.U. are also suffering from inflation and strikes that have been caused by the Ukraine war and of course not Brexit .      Common knowledge really .

 

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But the UK didn’t have to leave the EU to issue ‘Blue Passports’.

 

Arguably the only tangible BREXIT benefit was not actually a BREXIT benefit.

 

 

Did you ever like those old games, like spot the difference? 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

Because "necessary" isn't the key word to justify the distinction? Your objection is utterly irrelevant.

It may be necessary to break either the GFA rules or the E.U Brexit rules as they might conflict with each other .

   It wouldn't be necessary to break any rules about passport printing and if the UK had to break some rules , that dosent mean it can disregard ALL rules .

   There will also be consequences if any rules are broken at all 

[Bluespunk]

27 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It may be necessary to break either the GFA rules or the E.U Brexit rules as they might conflict with each other .

   It wouldn't be necessary to break any rules about passport printing and if the UK had to break some rules , that dosent mean it can disregard ALL rules .

   There will also be consequences if any rules are broken at all 

I would be very surprised if the British govt felt it necessary to undermine the Good Friday Agreement, as you suggest may be the case, as this ended the troubles.
 

No one wishes a return to that violence. 
 

Only the grossly inept and incompetent would contemplate such an action; and while I have nothing but the utmost contempt for the current tory govt, I do not consider even them to be that stupid. 

Edited January 4, 2023 by Bluespunk
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[RayC]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

Because "necessary" isn't the key word to justify the distinction? Your objection is utterly irrelevant.

???????? You shouldn't have said that! Did you learn nothing from my exchange with Mac?

 

I've done my stint. I'm afraid that you're on your own - unless some other reckless soul is brave enough to help you out.

[RayC]

31 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Did you ever like those old games, like spot the difference? 

 

Shouldn't you tell us how many differences we are looking for?????

[Chomper Higgot]

31 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Did you ever like those old games, like spot the difference? 

 

The image on the right has had it’s colour manipulated.

[Chomper Higgot]

27 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It may be necessary to break either the GFA rules or the E.U Brexit rules as they might conflict with each other .

   It wouldn't be necessary to break any rules about passport printing and if the UK had to break some rules , that dosent mean it can disregard ALL rules .

   There will also be consequences if any rules are broken at all 

Before messing with the Good Friday Agreement, the UK will await instruction from Washington as to what is permissible.

[Mac Mickmanus]

16 minutes ago, RayC said:

???????? You shouldn't have said that! Did you learn nothing from my exchange with Mac?

 

I've done my stint. I'm afraid that you're on your own - unless some other reckless soul is brave enough to help you out.

Don't go yet , its page 99 and you're nearly there 

[RayC]

6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Don't go yet , its page 99 and you're nearly there 

???? I have full confidence that between you, you; Chomper and Placeholder will see it through.

 

Don't let us down, lads. The UK, EU (and ASEAN) are relying on you???? 

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, RayC said:

???? I have full confidence that between you, you; Chomper and Placeholder will see it through.

 

Don't let us down, lads. The UK, EU (and ASEAN) are relying on you???? 

I’m up for it but I suspect whataboutary, dead cats and semantics from Brexiteers might take the line.

[nauseus]

55 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The image on the right has had it’s colour manipulated.

The document on the right has had it’s correct colour restored.

 

The document on the left had been defaced and vandalized.

[Mac Mickmanus]

59 minutes ago, RayC said:

Shouldn't you tell us how many differences we are looking for?????

I spy with my little eye, something beginning with E 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/1/2023 at 4:09 PM, superal said:

An Irish Unification is on the cards and will solve the protocol problem to the satisfaction of all parties . 

It might solve the protocol, but hardly to the "satisfaction of all parties". 

Expect the troubles but in reverse if it happens against their will.

[Scott]

Troll posts removed.  Please stay on topic or face a suspension.  You have been warned.

 

[Kwasaki]

21 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Two different sections of the Government dealing with two different issues in two different situations , where in one instance the breaking/changing  of some rules would be necessary and in another situation where breaking the rules wouldnt be necessary 

They could re-negotiate like they are going to do with Unions and strikers in UK. ????

[Rimmer]

A troll post has been removed

[Kwasaki]

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It might solve the protocol, but hardly to the "satisfaction of all parties". 

Expect the troubles but in reverse if it happens against their will.

They can offer those opposed to settle in UK.

[Phoenix Rising]

14 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I spy with my little eye, something beginning with E 

Me too; the End of Brexit. I expect that by the latter part of 2024, as hunger and poverty is squeezing the life out of the UK despite massive food aid shipments from the EU, a reentry application will sheepishly be sent to Brussels.

Don't expect a smooth process though due to the way Boris et al handled things. The French and the rest will take their merry time picking the barrel the UK will be placed over and then comes the deafening sound of countless zips being opened in a very determined manner.

To those who voted against; sorry. To those who voted for but have realized their mistake; sorry. To those who voted for and are still pro Brexit; enjoy!

[DaLa]

I wonder if the vote had been to remain this topic would have seen 100 pages of defeatist bitterness from the leavers. Always found people that accept change to be more stoic and come through as winners in the end.

 

No pain no gain.

 

PS I run a business in the UK, I ignore the reporting of the economy by the media and get on with my life. Try it you’ll suffer less stress, sleeplessness and fatigue.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 minute ago, DaLa said:

I wonder if the vote had been to remain this topic would have seen 100 pages of defeatist bitterness from the leavers. Always found people that accept change to be more stoic and come through as winners in the end.

 

No pain no gain.

 

PS I run a business in the UK, I ignore the reporting of the economy by the media and get on with my life. Try it you’ll suffer less stress, sleeplessness and fatigue.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe ignoring reality is seen as a shrewd business practice.