Bluespunk Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 17 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I don't think that the Northern Irish would agree to that and also many Irish don't want that either Garbage. You are absolutely clueless as to what the people of Ireland wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 8 hours ago, RayC said: As things currently stand, there is no legal reason why the NI Protocol requires amendment from either an EU or UK standpoint. Well, it is currently going through the legal process and the outcome is awaited , so yes, its not actually illegal, but the legal judgement is being awaited . But my point is that not all sides agree to the current situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puchooay Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Garbage. You are absolutely clueless as to what the people of Ireland wish. I would say the last vote for self determination would be the best place to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, puchooay said: I would say the last vote for self determination would be the best place to start. Really? I’d say the fact that sein fein is the largest party on both sides of the border is a better indication of the views of the Irish as a whole. The poster you so inadequately defend claimed the Irish populace, on both sides of the border, do not want unification, a claim that is wrong. And let us not forget polls show a majority in the Ulster counties support the Northern Ireland protocol. As did the last round of Stormont elections. A vote the unionist parties are not respecting. Edited January 1, 2023 by Bluespunk Typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, puchooay said: I would say the last vote for self determination would be the best place to start. You mean the one 50 years ago which was boycotted by the nationalists. I'd say the latest elections give a better feel for the present opinion on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 28 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: he UK is now sending them straight back home on airplanes or to Rwanda sent back home? How many asylum seekers came from Rwanda, then? how many have been sent their by UK? - None! Is this typical Brexit thinking? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puchooay Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Really? I’d say the fact that sein fein is the largest party on both sides of the border is a better indication of the views of the Irish as a whole. The poster you so inadequately defend claimed the Irish populace, on both sides of the border, do not want unification, a claim that is wrong. And let us not forget polls show a majority in the Ulster counties support the Northern Ireland protocol. As did the last round of Stormont elections. A vote the unionist parties are not respecting. I did say the best place to start. The Scots voted to stay in the union but then SNP won most votes at the next election, yet some polls suggest they would vote remain again. Nice to see you are respecting poll results too. BTW, I'm not trying to defend anyone. I quoted a post and gave a suggestion. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, kwilco said: sent back home? How many asylum seekers came from Rwanda, then? how many have been sent their by UK? - None! Is this typical Brexit thinking? You didn't understand my post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 1 minute ago, puchooay said: I did say the best place to start. The Scots voted to stay in the union but then SNP won most votes at the next election, yet some polls suggest they would vote remain again. Nice to see you are respecting poll results too. BTW, I'm not trying to defend anyone. I quoted a post and gave a suggestion. That is all. Where does my post refer to Scotland? You do know Eire, Northern Ireland and Scotland are not the same country? Thiugh in time Eire and the Ulster Counties may be united, if that be the peoples will. Intended or not your defence was inadequate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puchooay Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Where does my post refer to Scotland? You do know Eire, Northern Ireland and Scotland are not the same country? Thiugh in time Eire and the Ulster Counties may be united, if that be the peoples will. Intended or not your defence was inadequate. You didn't refer to Scotland. I used Scotland as an example of differences between elections and independence or self determination voting result. Your feeling of superiority undermines you. Thanks for trying though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, puchooay said: You didn't refer to Scotland. I used Scotland as an example of differences between elections and independence or self determination voting result. Your feeling of superiority undermines you. Thanks for trying though. Scotland is not Ireland and the situation of each country is not the same. What you mistake for superiority is simply pointing out evidence based facts…. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: It was E.U rules that was the reason for UK (blue) passports being made in Poland Dam i want my red one back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 31 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Really? I’d say the fact that sein fein is the largest party on both sides of the border is a better indication of the views of the Irish as a whole. The poster you so inadequately defend claimed the Irish populace, on both sides of the border, do not want unification, a claim that is wrong. And let us not forget polls show a majority in the Ulster counties support the Northern Ireland protocol. As did the last round of Stormont elections. A vote the unionist parties are not respecting. Which would make it time to get rid of Nth Ireland one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: Which would make it time to get rid of Nth Ireland one way or another. That is for the Irish to decide under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement which ended the violence of The Troubles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: It was E.U rules that was the reason for UK (blue) passports being made in Poland Was it? The U.K. govt could have chosen the U.K. bidder in 2018 but instead chose a French-Dutch company operating in Poland. Which eu rule forced the U.K. govt to reject the U.K. companies bid? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: That is for the Irish to decide under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement which ended the violence of The Troubles. I just wish the best for the future for UK so if Nth Ireland wanted to stay EU maybe that could be used for another vote for them and the majority of the Nth Irish people to decide. If there's trouble after that it would be their problem and the EU's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puchooay Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 19 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Scotland is not Ireland and the situation of each country is not the same. What you mistake for superiority is simply pointing out evidence based facts…. So, now comparisons are not permitted. That is if you don't like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 51 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: The poster you so inadequately defend claimed the Irish populace, on both sides of the border, do not want unification, a claim that is wrong. The Catholics do, the Protestants don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, puchooay said: So, now comparisons are not permitted. That is if you don't like them. You can make all the comparisons you wish. However do not be surprised when it is pointed out they are flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, BritManToo said: The Catholics do, the Protestants don't. Nonetheless… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puchooay Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: You can make all the comparisons you wish. However do not be surprised when it is pointed out they are flawed. That would be your opinion. A flawed opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, BritManToo said: The Catholics do, the Protestants don't. But how many protestants wanted to stay EU maybe that's where a vote could be won for leaving UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, puchooay said: That would be your opinion. A flawed opinion. Yeah, except I have backed up the statements I have made on Ireland with facts. Do try to keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Yeah, except I have backed up the statements I have made on Ireland with facts. Do try to keep up. Out of interest would it be possible for UK to get rid of Nth Ireland in some voting way or are the Protestants to much in control.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Kwasaki said: Out of interest would it be possible for UK to get rid of Nth Ireland in some voting way or are the Protestants to much in control.? England could have an independence vote. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: Out of interest would it be possible for UK to get rid of Nth Ireland in some voting way or are the Protestants to much in control.? Here’s some reading for you. https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/irish-reunification 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puchooay Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Yeah, except I have backed up the statements I have made on Ireland with facts. Do try to keep up. Excellent work. Please tell me what part of my post, the one you didn't like so criticised, was not based on facts. Let me help you a bit. Didn't he Scottish people vote to remain in UK? Did SNP increase their seats in the following elections? Thanks. Edited January 1, 2023 by puchooay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Here’s some reading for you. https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/irish-reunification Thanks as I read it seems to complicated for me to comprehend the outcome. A verbal minefield for want of a better explanation from a hands on engineer. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, puchooay said: Excellent work. Please tell me what part of my post, the one you didn't like so criticised, was not based on facts. Let me help you a bit. Didn't he Scottish people vote to remain in UK? Did SNP win more seats in the following election? Thanks. Scotland and Ireland are not the same and neither are the situations. You are trying to deflect from the fact you inadequately defended a poster who was wrong when talking about Ireland. Again Scotland and Ireland’s situation are not the same. Heres a clue for you: one is about independence and one is about unification with another country. The conditions for a vote on either are not the same. Edited January 1, 2023 by Bluespunk Grammar errors 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puchooay Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 Just now, Bluespunk said: Scotland and Ireland are not the same and neither are the situations. You are trying to deflect from the fact you inadequately defended a poster who was wrong when talking about Ireland. Again neither Scotland and Ireland’s situation are not the same. That's the best prediction I've made today. That is, you would not give direct answers to my questions. Excellent. Once again, I have not attempted to defend anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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