Putin: Nuclear risk is rising, but we are not mad

[GinBoy2]

On 12/11/2022 at 3:03 AM, steven100 said:

and to add to that ... the west and the EU lied to Ukraine in that giving up it's nuclear weapons they guaranteed it's safety & security,  well that never happened did it  !!  

  He'll never trust the west again and one couldn't blame him.

Actually the EU had nothing to do with the security agreement when Ukraine gave up it's nuclear arsenal

 

The agreement was signed by Ukraine, UK, US and most hilariously Russia

[steven100]

13 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

Actually the EU had nothing to do with the security agreement when Ukraine gave up it's nuclear arsenal

 

The agreement was signed by Ukraine, UK, US and most hilariously Russia

and what a waste of time and paper that was  ...

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, steven100 said:

and what a waste of time and paper that was  ...

Not really, all the countries except Russia have stepped up to the plate to help provide security for Ukraine. Only Russia is the recalcitrant. Meantime, there is no danger of Ukraine using those weapons.

Edited December 16, 2022 by ozimoron

[steven100]

12 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Not really, all the countries except Russia have stepped up to the plate to help provide security for Ukraine. Only Russia is the recalcitrant. Meantime, there is no danger of Ukraine using those weapons.

totally disagree ....    thousands of Ukraine people have been murdered, butchered, raped, cut up, tortured and who know what else .....    they did not ' step up to the plate '   as you say .... if they had hundreds of Ukrainians would still be alive.      If they honoured the agreement they would have BOMBED Russia as soon as the first tank went on Ukrainian soil.  

 

 

Edited December 16, 2022 by steven100

[ozimoron]

Just now, steven100 said:

totally disagree ....    thousands of Ukraine people have been murdered, butchered, raped, cut up, tortured and who know what else .....    they did not ' step up to the plate '   as you say .... if they had hundreds of Ukrainians would still be alive.      If they honourered the agreement they would have BOMBED Russia as soon as the first tank went on Ukrainian soil.  

Did the agreement suggest they would bomb Russia? They a re concerned that the madman in Russia might press the red button.

[steven100]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Did the agreement suggest they would bomb Russia? They a re concerned that the madman in Russia might press the red button.

no ....  but the agreement was to protect Ukraine from an invasion ....  which was a lie.   end of story.

geeeeze .....  just read the Budapest Memorandum and you will understand.

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, steven100 said:

no ....  but the agreement was to protect Ukraine from an invasion ....  which was a lie.   end of story.

geeeeze .....  just read the Budapest Memorandum and you will understand.

 

How are they not protecting Ukraine against invasion? Russia is being beaten back. Did you expect that to happen on day one after Putin lied about not invading?

[mikebike]

On 12/8/2022 at 6:44 AM, RichardColeman said:

which would then probably lead to a new communist uprising and more war

Huh? Why "communist"? Russian these days seem much more like authoritarian capitalists, haven't heard much love of Lenin or Trotsky coming out of Russia lately, have you? 

[GinBoy2]

3 hours ago, mikebike said:

Huh? Why "communist"? Russian these days seem much more like authoritarian capitalists, haven't heard much love of Lenin or Trotsky coming out of Russia lately, have you? 

Well thats true, from China, Vietnam, it's not Communist as much as one party Capitalist totalitarianism.

 

Russia after the collapse of the USSR flirted with real democracy, but has kinda ended up looking a lot like Xi's China.

 

You could probably argue that North Korea is the only Communist regime left on the planet

[steven100]

11 hours ago, ozimoron said:

How are they not protecting Ukraine against invasion? Russia is being beaten back. Did you expect that to happen on day one after Putin lied about not invading?

I hear ya and while I agree ......  I still feel if the EU & US had have amassed thousands of troops and tanks at the border at the same time when Putin was doing the same it may have called his bluff and prevented them invading.  But it's easy in hindside ....   just saying.