No Special Measures for Chinese Visitors

[rabang]

2 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

UK Health Authorities told the PM that such restrictions were pointless, but he went ahead and did it anyway.

 

Professor Paul Hunter of the University of East Anglia [said]: “Point-of-entry and point-of-exit screening for serious infections have been shown – on many occasions – to be ineffective at controlling diseases. This has been demonstrated by studies that were carried out before and after the emergence of Covid-19. One study suggested that about 60% of cases are missed this way. This isn’t going to protect the UK population because it isn’t going to stop the spread. So it is hard to see what will be gained by imposing these tests.”

 

As with so many Covid-related decisions, public health has nothing to do with it, it's pure politics and grandstanding.

Still to this day if you point out the ineffectiveness of the covid measures and restrictions you will get accusations of being selfish, ignorant, heartless and so on from the crowd that fails to see the bigger picture and downplays all the negative effects.

[jacko45k]

29 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I see the racist are out in force ... shameful really.

 

Chinese can't be trusted ... what gov't can be ?

Chinese vaccine doesn't work to prevent ... What vaccine does ?

Chinese make junk .. yet most countries use their manufacturing.

Getting all woke is unlikely to bring about the best results either.

Your comments are deflection really ...... 

China lied all over the place as  the pandemic started, and kept it up, as bad as a Russian foreign minister. They claimed Covid was imported into Wuhan in frozen food! Shame on them. 

The AZ, Pfizer and Moderna vaccines exhibited better results than the SInovac did on early variants. Well reported, need I dig up data. I shouldn't. 

China does make junk, and some good stuff. Some people actually want junk if it's cheap! My clock from Mr DIY was in the bin after 24 hours of not knowing what time it was!

 

Should Thailand impose measures on Chinese visitors ,,, if we had reliable data out of China an informed decision could be made. 

 

[roo860]

On 12/31/2022 at 12:51 AM, ozimoron said:

Snake oil salesmen are those who push conspiracy theories that scientists debunk. The beacon of light is a stream of bat's pee when all around is dark.

Oscar Wilde? ????

[NanLaew]

On 12/30/2022 at 3:12 AM, soi3eddie said:

Is this the same health minister who derided foreigners as dirty and bringing in the virus? Double standards or what! And we all know why. Money talks and those living in Thailand put at risk to keep the pay masters happy. 

 

But unlike the knowitall dirty farangs, the Chinese wear their masks.

 

Relax. He's probably changed his mind already. Same as the flip-flopping British politicians who ignored their medical advisers and said 'no testing needed' then, within maybe 48-hours, decided to keep America onside and went with PCR testing for the great unwashed coming form China (that includes dirty farangs).

[NanLaew]

48 minutes ago, rabang said:

Still to this day if you point out the ineffectiveness of the covid measures and restrictions you will get accusations of being selfish, ignorant, heartless and so on from the crowd that fails to see the bigger picture and downplays all the negative effects.

There's a 'bigger picture'? Where?

[NanLaew]

On 12/30/2022 at 11:46 PM, Selatan said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/inactivated-vaccines-like-sinovac-may-prevent-severe-disease-in-covid-19-patients-study

 

SINGAPORE - Though often considered inferior due to their induction of a lower antibody response compared with their mRNA counterparts, inactivated virus vaccines can play a role in preventing the development of severe Covid-19, a recent study has found.

 

 

This research came out from Singapore, a country which mainly use mRNA vaccines such as Pfizer and Moderna.

The same Singapore that for decades has had a special relationship with mainland China.

[ozimoron]

Just now, NanLaew said:

The same Singapore that for decades has had a special relationship with mainland China.

Yeah, just ignore all the links I provided and post none of your own.

[NanLaew]

On 12/30/2022 at 11:56 PM, Selatan said:

BF7 Omicron has an extremely high R0, from 10 to as high as 18, meaning one infected person can potential spread to 18 people.

 

Most Chinese have caught Omicron only in the past few weeks. 

 

Due to the very high R0, China's infection peak may happen in just the next 2 weeks and then infection numbers will go down from then onwards.

And to think that the UK government health mandarins have just decided that the R factor is no longer relevant and will no longer be publicly updated (but still available).

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-r-value-and-growth-rate

[Captain Monday]

"The Chinese government required outbound Chinese travelers to undergo RT-PCR tests for COVID-19 and receive at least three doses of COVID-19 vaccine."

 

So China requires passengers do PCR testing to leave China even if the country they fly to does not require it? 

[crouchpeter]

On 12/30/2022 at 7:12 AM, soi3eddie said:

Is this the same health minister who derided foreigners as dirty and bringing in the virus? Double standards or what! And we all know why. Money talks and those living in Thailand put at risk to keep the pay masters happy. 

 

He didn't say foreigners were dirty, but Europeans. And I can assure you he's spot on!

[NanLaew]

58 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

59 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

The same Singapore that for decades has had a special relationship with mainland China.

Yeah, just ignore all the links I provided and post none of your own.

I didn't ignore your link, I read it. Your link was why I made my comment about the special relationship that exists. After all, it is the only country outside Northeast Asia where 76% of its population is of ethnic Chinese descent.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Singapore_relations

 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/24761028.2021.1951480

 

https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/10.1142/9789814713566_0003

 

https://www.fpri.org/article/2019/12/the-odd-couple-singapores-relations-with-china/

 

But don't let me stop you searching the internet by yourself for your own enlightenment.

 

 

Edited January 1, 2023 by NanLaew

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

I didn't ignore your link, I read it. Your link was why I made my comment about the special relationship that exists. After all, it is the only country outside Northeast Asia where 76% of its population is of ethnic Chinese descent.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Singapore_relations

 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/24761028.2021.1951480

 

https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/10.1142/9789814713566_0003

 

https://www.fpri.org/article/2019/12/the-odd-couple-singapores-relations-with-china/

 

But don't let me stop you searching the internet by yourself for your own enlightenment.

 

 

My post and links were about the efficacy of the Chinese vaccines in preventing serious illness. How does the special relationship discredit those findings?

[whiteman]

https://www.voanews.com/a/north-korea-temporarily-banning-travelers-from-china/6896779.html

 

Amid mounting international anxiety over the wave of COVID-19 cases sweeping China, North Korea has introduced a total ban on visitors from its close ally and neighbor

 

Thailand should defiantly do the same here.

[Forza2002]

Have a feeling that Anutin will be wearing his flip-flops on Tues when everybody is back to work after the New Year break... Will Thailand update it's stance towards Chinese tourists and implement measures now taken in many western countries?

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

I didn't ignore your link, I read it. Your link was why I made my comment about the special relationship that exists. After all, it is the only country outside Northeast Asia where 76% of its population is of ethnic Chinese descent.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Singapore_relations

 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/24761028.2021.1951480

 

https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/10.1142/9789814713566_0003

 

https://www.fpri.org/article/2019/12/the-odd-couple-singapores-relations-with-china/

 

But don't let me stop you searching the internet by yourself for your own enlightenment.

 

 

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My post and links were about the efficacy of the Chinese vaccines in preventing serious illness. How does the special relationship discredit those findings?

Why would the Singaporean media wax lyrical about Chinese vaccines?

 

I'm not discrediting anything but I do believe in keeping an open mind. That's why I read your citation.

 

You asked for citations from me and I duly responded.

 

I read yours, maybe you could read those I provided instead of being so sensitive.

 

You're beginning to act like a Singaporean.

 

Edited January 1, 2023 by NanLaew

[ozz1]

I see Australia is requiring tests from passengers from China just been announced but will Thailand follow probably not    we will see

[ThailandRyan]

Welcome to 2023 a feeling of reverse time travel is creeping in.

 

My kids in the US all have Covid and are down sick for New Years. They all went to my ex's house for Christmas dinner and she was sick but did not tell anyone. She is also a covid denier and Anti vaxxer who has had it 3 times now, the first time she was hospitalized for a month......

Edited January 1, 2023 by ThailandRyan

[mikeymike100]

17 minutes ago, ozz1 said:

I see Australia is requiring tests from passengers from China just been announced but will Thailand follow probably not    we will see

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/29/countries-imposing-covid-rules-for-travellers-from-china

 

The list is growing longer, with Australia joining and possible the Philippines, Malaysia is already on the list?

Will Thailand take any action, or just collect the money?????

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, mikeymike100 said:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/29/countries-imposing-covid-rules-for-travellers-from-china

 

The list is growing longer, with Australia joining and possible the Philippines, Malaysia is already on the list?

Will Thailand take any action, or just collect the money?????

 

Canada also just announced neg test required

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

Why would the Singaporean media wax lyrical about Chinese vaccines?

 

I'm not discrediting anything but I do believe in keeping an open mind. That's why I read your citation.

 

You asked for citations from me and I duly responded.

 

I read yours, maybe you could read those I provided instead of being so sensitive.

 

You're beginning to act like a Singaporean.

 

They don't. Only one of my links was from Singapore. All the links were scientific research which claimed the Chinese vaccines were effective at preventing serious illness. I think at this point you need to put up some evidence to the contrary instead of telling what I think and how sensitive I am. You want to bash the Chinese vaccines without any evidence at all.

 

Your citation had NOTHING to do with Chinese vaccines or covid.

Edited January 1, 2023 by ozimoron

[jacko45k]

8 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

Let them all in, no tests, nothing.

 

Given that about 96% of UK adults have antibodies against Covid, according to the Office of National Statistics, I don't see any apocalyptic tidal wave of Chinese-generated illness. It's all a bit too reminiscent of the "yellow peril" narratives of the 1920s.

Oh no need to go back so far... how about 2020's.... 6 million dead and counting.

Edited January 1, 2023 by jacko45k

[Eleftheros]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Oh no need to go back so far... how about 2020's.... 6 million dead and counting.

And I suppose some people will still be obsessing about Covid even into the 2030s, like those Japanese soldiers who were found hiding in Pacific island jungles, unable to accept that World War 2 was over.

 

Even Christian Drosten, one of the main perpetrators of the whole Covid mess in Europe, has given up.

 

“We’re experiencing the first endemic wave with SARS-CoV-2 this winter; in my opinion the pandemic is over, After this winter, the immunity in the population will be so broad and resilient that the virus can hardly be able to break through in the summer." (Original, in German)

 

What we really need is one of those deprogramming units which have been used with members of religious cults.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Eleftheros said:

And I suppose some people will still be obsessing about Covid even into the 2030s, like those Japanese soldiers who were found hiding in Pacific island jungles, unable to accept that World War 2 was over.

 

Even Christian Drosten, one of the main perpetrators of the whole Covid mess in Europe, has given up.

 

“We’re experiencing the first endemic wave with SARS-CoV-2 this winter; in my opinion the pandemic is over, After this winter, the immunity in the population will be so broad and resilient that the virus can hardly be able to break through in the summer." (Original, in German)

 

What we really need is one of those deprogramming units which have been used with members of religious cults.

Those who lost loved ones probably will, the 8 million + children who lost parents or primary givers almost definitely will.

[Eleftheros]

15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Those who lost loved ones probably will, the 8 million + children who lost parents or primary givers almost definitely will.

Actually, I think the people who tragically lost loved ones during the pandemic will generally be among the quickest to get over it.

 

They don't sit around waiting for the worst to happen, because the worst has happened to them already.

 

I believe that we urgently need to turn our attention to the future, to find ways to ameliorate the massive and lasting damage that has been done, largely by government mishandling of the pandemic, to communities, to children's development, to adult healthcare, to the economy and society in general.

[Bkk Brian]

54 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

Actually, I think the people who tragically lost loved ones during the pandemic will generally be among the quickest to get over it.

 

They don't sit around waiting for the worst to happen, because the worst has happened to them already.

 

I believe that we urgently need to turn our attention to the future, to find ways to ameliorate the massive and lasting damage that has been done, largely by government mishandling of the pandemic, to communities, to children's development, to adult healthcare, to the economy and society in general.

B/S.  How can losing a loved one makes you among the quickest to get over it? A life changing experience in losing a parent is something you can never get over. The future is to avoid the spread of another devastating pandemic that kills millions throughout the world.

 

The devastating consequences of that including to businesses, economies and people.

 

To say people are obsessed, they have every right to be, they don't want it to happen again.

Edited January 1, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[Eleftheros]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The future is to avoid the spread of another devastating pandemic that kills millions throughout the world.

 

The devastating consequences of that including to businesses, economies and people.

 

To say people are obsessed, they have every right to be, they don't want it to happen again.

1. You can't stop another pandemic. They occur regularly, no matter what we do.

 

2. The "devastating consequences" to businesses and economies were not caused by the pandemic, but by government responses to the pandemic. That was a man-made disaster, even if this pandemic proves not to have been man-made.

 

3. People may feel they have a right to be obsessed, but it is unhealthy for them and everybody else around them. As the Merriam-Webster dictionary notes, an obsession is "a persistent disturbing preoccupation with an often unreasonable idea or feeling".

[ThailandRyan]

11 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

1. You can't stop another pandemic. They occur regularly, no matter what we do.

 

2. The "devastating consequences" to businesses and economies were not caused by the pandemic, but by government responses to the pandemic. That was a man-made disaster, even if this pandemic proves not to have been man-made.

 

3. People may feel they have a right to be obsessed, but it is unhealthy for them and everybody else around them. As the Merriam-Webster dictionary notes, an obsession is "a persistent disturbing preoccupation with an often unreasonable idea or feeling".

Do you do stand up comedy for a living.  You can be prepared for another pandemic, which no one was ready for this one.  The devastating consequences were from Covid spreading and trying to keep the hospitals and infrastructure from being overrun. Please tell me who is not concerned or obsessed about there health and welfare and I will show you a fool.  You really do not understand anything about human nature it appears and definitely fail to see why we are in the land of a repeat occurring because of Chinas failure to disclose meaningful information.  Without this information, proper fail safes can not be put in place and even updated vaccines (much like annual flu jabs are updated) can not be created without knowing the variants that are running about.  This may be of no concern to you and if that is true then you are definitely a fool to believe your immune system and lifestyle will keep you healthy as things break loose.

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

1. You can't stop another pandemic. They occur regularly, no matter what we do.

 

2. The "devastating consequences" to businesses and economies were not caused by the pandemic, but by government responses to the pandemic. That was a man-made disaster, even if this pandemic proves not to have been man-made.

 

3. People may feel they have a right to be obsessed, but it is unhealthy for them and everybody else around them. As the Merriam-Webster dictionary notes, an obsession is "a persistent disturbing preoccupation with an often unreasonable idea or feeling".

You cut and edited my post, you claimed:

 

3 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

Actually, I think the people who tragically lost loved ones during the pandemic will generally be among the quickest to get over it.

 

They don't sit around waiting for the worst to happen, because the worst has happened to them already.

 

I believe that we urgently need to turn our attention to the future, to find ways to ameliorate the massive and lasting damage that has been done, largely by government mishandling of the pandemic, to communities, to children's development, to adult healthcare, to the economy and society in general.

"Actually, I think the people who tragically lost loved ones during the pandemic will generally be among the quickest to get over it."

 

Probably best for you re-think that:

 

COVID-19 orphaned an estimated 7.5 million of those children. Writing in JAMA Pediatrics, researchers cautioned that the consequences for bereaved children can be “devastating,” including traumatic grief, abuse, mental health problems, and poor educational and health outcomes

 

Children Face Long-Term Effects From COVID-19 The loss of a parent is associated with mental-health problems, as well as shorter schooling, lower self-esteem, sexual risk behaviors

 

Helping Children Who Lost a Parent to Covid-19 Hidden Pain states that 5% to 10% of children who lost a parent to COVID-19 will experience "traumatic, prolonged grief that requires clinical

 

If you have something to back up your claims that these kids and people "will generally be among the quickest to get over it." please provide it?

 

Your other claim that pandemics cannot be stopped is also wrong. 

 

SARS: how a global epidemic was stopped

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636331/

 

EPIDEMICS THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN

These stories show that if we invest in global preparedness, epidemics don’t have to happen.

https://preventepidemics.org/epidemics-that-didnt-happen/

 

Five ways to prepare for the next pandemic

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-03362-8

 

 

 

Edited January 1, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[nigelforbes]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

You cut and edited my post, you claimed:

 

"Actually, I think the people who tragically lost loved ones during the pandemic will generally be among the quickest to get over it."

 

Probably best for you re-think that:

 

COVID-19 orphaned an estimated 7.5 million of those children. Writing in JAMA Pediatrics, researchers cautioned that the consequences for bereaved children can be “devastating,” including traumatic grief, abuse, mental health problems, and poor educational and health outcomes

 

Children Face Long-Term Effects From COVID-19 The loss of a parent is associated with mental-health problems, as well as shorter schooling, lower self-esteem, sexual risk behaviors

 

Helping Children Who Lost a Parent to Covid-19 Hidden Pain states that 5% to 10% of children who lost a parent to COVID-19 will experience "traumatic, prolonged grief that requires clinical

 

If you have something to back up your claims that these kids "will generally be among the quickest to get over it." please provide it?

 

Your other claim that pandemics cannot be stopped is also wrong. 

 

SARS: how a global epidemic was stopped

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636331/

 

EPIDEMICS THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN

These stories show that if we invest in global preparedness, epidemics don’t have to happen.

https://preventepidemics.org/epidemics-that-didnt-happen/

 

Five ways to prepare for the next pandemic

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-03362-8

 

 

 

TBH I think the poster is trolling, who in their right mind could possibly claim, "the people who tragically lost loved ones during the pandemic will generally be among the quickest to get over it". It's warped thinking at best.

[ozimoron]

14 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

TBH I think the poster is trolling, who in their right mind could possibly claim, "the people who tragically lost loved ones during the pandemic will generally be among the quickest to get over it". It's warped thinking at best.

Who in their right mind would claim that vaccines don't work?