Thaksin’s Daughter, Real Estate Tycoon ‘Unacceptable’ To Most Senators

[d4dang]

Thaksin is Five Oh and is coming back. The generals know this. Some are considering the options and will make deals to end up on the right side of power. 

[fulhamster]

5 hours ago, hotchilli said:

The un-elected hand picked senators should be disbanded and the PM elected via a public vote.

Otherwise what is the point of having an election when it comes to the say-so of 250 yes men ?

 

[MrJ2U]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

It would be unlikely for most of the 250 senators, all of whom had been handpicked by the 2014 coup junta under leadership of army chief-turned-premier Prayut Chan-o-cha,

Ridiculous way to run an election.

 

No wonder Prayut has that sickly smug face constantly plastered on his ugly mug. 

[MrMojoRisin]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

I am agaist Thaksin comming back without jail.

* fair trial first - jail only if charges are proven in an impartial court of law

[Phoenix Rising]

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

They are Thaksin's goons and that makes them unacceptable. It's not really that difficult. 

Unacceptable by WHO?

[Phoenix Rising]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

When is the end of the senators ? These guys should really not have this power.

 

I am agaist Thaksin comming back without jail. Its rare that one of the big fish get caught for corruption and many other cases open. So when one does get caught it should stay that way. If none ever get caught then they too brazen in their thefts. I rather have Prayut also investigated and so on but better some then none.

I disagree. The prosecution and sentencing of Thaksin was purely a political move by his enemies. They couldn't give a rat's behind what he did or did not do, they were only after eliminating a competitor, and all of them are without a shred of doubt guilty of a plethora of crimes themselves.

[MrMojoRisin]

3 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Unacceptable by WHO?

Thaksin obsessed, semi fascist, junta propaganda swallowing right wing nutjobs.

[robblok]

24 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

I disagree. The prosecution and sentencing of Thaksin was purely a political move by his enemies. They couldn't give a rat's behind what he did or did not do, they were only after eliminating a competitor, and all of them are without a shred of doubt guilty of a plethora of crimes themselves.

Oh i 100% agree it was not about corruption. But the corruption was committed. It was just them finding dirt on someone. Still that means that some corruption is punished.. if it is all covered up it gets worse and worse. So even though its just used against people who fell out of grace its still better then nothing.

[TingTonger]

6 hours ago, Foghorn said:

Not a fan of either but should be the peoples choice 

Well they usually offer 500 b for the votes 

[BritScot]

8 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

They are Thaksin's goons and that makes them unacceptable. It's not really that difficult. 

They were elected by the people for the people and is that concept really that difficult? Being an ex soldier I have such distain and even find it very difficult to use words like soldier, army in the same sentence as the Thai Green Mafia.  I have never once heard of a British or even an American soldier who has accrued multi million pound/dollar empires while in service!!!

[BritScot]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

Oh i 100% agree it was not about corruption. But the corruption was committed. It was just them finding dirt on someone. Still that means that some corruption is punished.. if it is all covered up it gets worse and worse. So even though its just used against people who fell out of grace its still better then nothing.

And what about the generals and the very suspect land sale prior to the tanks rolling in?

[robblok]

1 minute ago, BritScot said:

And what about the generals and the very suspect land sale prior to the tanks rolling in?

As i said should be caught too.. but because they are not you want Thaksin to run free too. I mean if you let everyone off for corruption nothing will change. 

 

I know its not about corruption but it still a small win that at least some get punished. In a perfect world they get all punished. 

 

But the alternative is that there is no risk at all ever.. Then i rather have those that are out of grace politically to get caught. At least then some are punished.

[OneMoreFarang]

22 minutes ago, BritScot said:

They were elected by the people for the people and is that concept really that difficult? Being an ex soldier I have such distain and even find it very difficult to use words like soldier, army in the same sentence as the Thai Green Mafia.  I have never once heard of a British or even an American soldier who has accrued multi million pound/dollar empires while in service!!!

Yes, Thaksin and his clones were elected by the people, and they though he would work for the people.

And he worked for the people, a little, and for himself and his cronies a lot. 

 

I have to repeat myself: I am also not a big fan of the current government. But personally I like them a lot more than Thaksin and his clones. Without the red-shirts life is so much better.

One big problem with all those Thaksin goons is that they work for Thaksin and will work to get him back to Thailand. And that is like declaring civil war. Do we really need another repeat of history? I don't think so.

[pomchop]

It seems that many have forgotten that the coup to oust taksin was done when taksin was out of the country for a meeting....and in the middle of the night the coward coup crew took over and installed their cronies in power.....if taksin was so corrupt why wasn't his corruption handled by the judiciary in the light of day instead of a stealth coup in the middle of the night?...and of course once the generals were in charge taksin was convicted with no real trial by a group of cowardly high court members and has been hounded along with his family ever since.  Was taksin or yingluck perfect? No.  But were/are they the most corrupt?  At least they got elected.

 

now we have rule by 250 unelected senators appointed by the coup crew.....no corruption or payoffs to get appointed an unelected senator i am sure...their corruption makes the taksins look relatively mild.

 

answer is to let the thai people vote and whoever THEY choose as their leader becomes leader...it is what some call democracy which people in various countries have fought and died over for hundreds of years...the generals sure don't want an open election as they are pretty sure they will lose their power and the new leader may bring them all up on charges just like they have done to the taksin group.

 

 

[Eric Loh]

51 minutes ago, BritScot said:

And what about the generals and the very suspect land sale prior to the tanks rolling in?

I have yet to know of any Thai General being convicted for corruption and sitting in jail. They stage coups and have unusual wealth beyond their salaries and yet we have not heard of any jailed generals. Can't say the same for politicians not allied to the military. 

[Cardano]

8 hours ago, Elkski said:

The stupidity or was it apathy of the voting public who let that new constitution be approved.  Or maybe most don't have time to read such things or the ability to read that much?

you nailed it with stupidity, they voted for something that they didn't understand. 

[Thailand]

The current PTB are not going to roll over and let a non military backed party win any election.

Some may roll to one side to let other persons  have their agreed time in the driving seats.

[GarryP]

8 hours ago, Elkski said:

The stupidity or was it apathy of the voting public who let that new constitution be approved.  Or maybe most don't have time to read such things or the ability to read that much?

Blaming the public? Really? Those who came out to offer alternatives or voice opposition to the then draft constituation were shut down. People were actually locked up for saying anything against it. The referendum was an absolute joke. The people were not allowed to hear dissenting opinions and get information on the negatives and alternatives. The referendum may as well have had just a single tick box it was that biased.     

[BusyB]

8 hours ago, fulhamster said:

Otherwise what is the point of having an election when it comes to the say-so of 250 yes men ?

 

Window dressing.

[Neeranam]

15 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

If fairness comes into the equation, Thaksin should be flown back to rule for a full term after all the shenanigans against him and his family, against the wishes of the Thai voters. Yes perhaps he was not Mr squeaky clean but neither were the clowns that followed him, the post Thaksin years have been the mother of all disappointments.

Were you here when Taksin was in power?

 

If so, you'll remember he raised visa price from 500-1900 b

or PR from 9,000 to 90,000

You would know how he killed thousands of innocent people in he war against drugs

You will know how he orchestrated the Asian financial crisis and made billions

You'll know about him making a fortune out of the poor, buy giving them free sim cards. 

 

Surely, you weren't here

[MrMojoRisin]

6 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Were you here when Taksin was in power?

 

If so, you'll remember he raised visa price from 500-1900 b

or PR from 9,000 to 90,000

You would know how he killed thousands of innocent people in he war against drugs

You will know how he orchestrated the Asian financial crisis and made billions

You'll know about him making a fortune out of the poor, buy giving them free sim cards. 

 

Surely, you weren't here

How on earth can this stupidity persist?

 

Why does every anti democratic, coup loving junta fanboy think they can regurgitate erroneous, false, fabricated, absurd and ridiculous anti Thaksin propaganda and somehow think “I was here, you weren’t here” validates the nonsense.

 

There is nothing Thaksin has done, or been accused of doing that those opposed to him have not done a hundred times worse.

 

You are fooling no one by pretending that your obsessive hatred of Thaksin is because of Thaksin’s criminality - you dislike the guy because your political beliefs align with the authoritarian right wing side of politics that cannot win elections in Thailand due to Thaksin’s immense popularity amongst the people.
 

You’re basically just a bunch of people hating sore losers.

[MrMojoRisin]

12 hours ago, robblok said:

As i said should be caught too.. but because they are not you want Thaksin to run free too. I mean if you let everyone off for corruption nothing will change. 

 

I know its not about corruption but it still a small win that at least some get punished. In a perfect world they get all punished. 

 

But the alternative is that there is no risk at all ever.. Then i rather have those that are out of grace politically to get caught. At least then some are punished.

Such naïveté.

 

By eliminating all opposition the Yellow/Green side of Thai politics have enabled corruption to flourish at levels far, far greater than ever.

 

The coups against elected governments, the re-writing of the constitutions, the bastardisation of the judiciary all serve one purpose - to ensure corruption can continue to flourish.

 

By your logic, you’d be happy if a jaywalker were arrested whilst murders run free because… at least some justice is being administered.

 

????????????

 

 

[MrMojoRisin]

12 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Yes, Thaksin and his clones were elected by the people, and they though he would work for the people.

And he worked for the people, a little, and for himself and his cronies a lot. 

 

I have to repeat myself: I am also not a big fan of the current government. But personally I like them a lot more than Thaksin and his clones. Without the red-shirts life is so much better.

One big problem with all those Thaksin goons is that they work for Thaksin and will work to get him back to Thailand. And that is like declaring civil war. Do we really need another repeat of history? I don't think so.

Don’t be shy.

You are a fan of the current government.

 

 

[Mason45]

Who ever said that the senators were acceptable?

[robblok]

3 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Such naïveté.

 

By eliminating all opposition the Yellow/Green side of Thai politics have enabled corruption to flourish at levels far, far greater than ever.

 

The coups against elected governments, the re-writing of the constitutions, the bastardisation of the judiciary all serve one purpose - to ensure corruption can continue to flourish.

 

By your logic, you’d be happy if a jaywalker were arrested whilst murders run free because… at least some justice is being administered.

 

????????????

 

 

Your analogy goes wrong as i was talking about both corruption cases you now change between murder and jaywalker. My analogy would be rather have a few murderers caught then none at all. In a perfect situation all would be caught of course.

[MrMojoRisin]

17 minutes ago, robblok said:

Your analogy goes wrong as i was talking about both corruption cases you now change between murder and jaywalker. My analogy would be rather have a few murderers caught then none at all. In a perfect situation all would be caught of course.

Why do you think Thaksin, Yingluck, Thanathorn, etc., etc., … have been dragged through the courts?

 

To punish corruption?

????????????

 

What you are supporting is a continuation and escalation of corruption.

 

You want murder analogies.

 

The Yellow gang murders 10 people per day.

 

Democracy replaces the Yellows with the Reds.

 

The Reds murder 5 people per day.

 

Democracy remains in place creating the possibility that the Reds will by replaced by the Oranges who murder 2 people per day who may then, one day, be replaced by a yet to be formed colour group that murders 0 people per day.

 

The Yellows illegally replace the Reds with themselves and abolish democracy.

 

The Reds, Oranges and all other non Yellows now no longer can participate because the courts have been used to assist the Yellows in monopolising power.

 

The Yellows now murder 12 people per day.

 

You are happy Thaksin has been forced into exile because you know he will beat your side of politics every single time - it has nothing to do with fighting corruption and everything to do with the political philosophy that you support.

 

 

[robblok]

45 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Why do you think Thaksin, Yingluck, Thanathorn, etc., etc., … have been dragged through the courts?

 

To punish corruption?

????????????

 

What you are supporting is a continuation and escalation of corruption.

 

You want murder analogies.

 

The Yellow gang murders 10 people per day.

 

Democracy replaces the Yellows with the Reds.

 

The Reds murder 5 people per day.

 

Democracy remains in place creating the possibility that the Reds will by replaced by the Oranges who murder 2 people per day who may then, one day, be replaced by a yet to be formed colour group that murders 0 people per day.

 

The Yellows illegally replace the Reds with themselves and abolish democracy.

 

The Reds, Oranges and all other non Yellows now no longer can participate because the courts have been used to assist the Yellows in monopolising power.

 

The Yellows now murder 12 people per day.

 

You are happy Thaksin has been forced into exile because you know he will beat your side of politics every single time - it has nothing to do with fighting corruption and everything to do with the political philosophy that you support.

 

 

Eh please dont compare Thanathorn with the corrupt Thaksinites. One side was really corrupt the other clearly innocent.

 

And i said it before the government did not go after them for corruption. (i guess you dont remember what you reply too). I said they go after them because they are their enemies. They just use corruption for it.

So its in a way helping against corruption. Please dont get so annoying and go back to the red vs yellow. Because in my book they are equally corrupt and I absolutely dont support any of them except future forward. 

 

ITs clear we wont see eye to eye as your too much of a Thaksinite. 

 

 

[MrMojoRisin]

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

Eh please dont compare Thanathorn with the corrupt Thaksinites. One side was really corrupt the other clearly innocent.

Thailand suffers from corruption from top to bottom in every institution and transaction.
 

There are no hero’s dressed in white, Thanathorn included.

 

Both Thaksin and Thanathorn were bought down by the same people using the same tactics for the same reason - to perpetuate  the status quo, unfettered corruption.

 

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

And i said it before the government did not go after them for corruption. (i guess you dont remember what you reply too). I said they go after them because they are their enemies. They just use corruption for it.

You’re almost there, it’s right in front of you, you need only see past your own biases and prejudices and you’ll reach enlightenment.

 

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

So its in a way helping against corruption. Please dont get so annoying and go back to the red vs yellow. Because in my book they are equally corrupt and I absolutely dont support any of them except future forward. 

 

ITs clear we wont see eye to eye as your too much of a Thaksinite. 

It is not helping against corruption it is helping maintain and increase corruption.

 

Red v Yellow is exactly what this conflict is about. A small greedy anti democratic elite (Yellow) versus the people (Red). Future Forward are Red.

 

I support, not Thaksin, but democracy.

 

Thailands path towards a fully functioning democratic society runs through Pheu Thai (maybe then onto Future Forward but we’ll never know as long as coups and judicial bastardry reign supreme).

You use weasel words to pretend you don’t support the Yellows - you are fooling no one. 
 

Hiding behind “Thaksin is the devil” therefore my support of coups, oppression, censorship and corruption is justified elicits and deserves just one response - ridicule.

[robblok]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Thailand suffers from corruption from top to bottom in every institution and transaction.
 

There are no hero’s dressed in white, Thanathorn included.

 

Both Thaksin and Thanathorn were bought down by the same people using the same tactics for the same reason - to perpetuate  the status quo, unfettered corruption.

 

You’re almost there, it’s right in front of you, you need only see past your own biases and prejudices and you’ll reach enlightenment.

 

It is not helping against corruption it is helping maintain and increase corruption.

 

Red v Yellow is exactly what this conflict is about. A small greedy anti democratic elite (Yellow) versus the people (Red). Future Forward are Red.

 

I support, not Thaksin, but democracy.

 

Thailands path towards a fully functioning democratic society runs through Pheu Thai (maybe then onto Future Forward but we’ll never know as long as coups and judicial bastardry reign supreme).

You use weasel words to pretend you don’t support the Yellows - you are fooling no one. 
 

Hiding behind “Thaksin is the devil” therefore my support of coups, oppression, censorship and corruption is justified elicits and deserves just one response - ridicule.

Comparing Thanathorn with Thaksin and saying its the same clearly shows me your Thaksinite. There is a huge difference between the cases. One is obviously corrupt individual and convicted for it. The other is not indicted for corruption but has something minor used against him.

 

Your too focused on the fight of colors that is so old fashioned. They are all corrupt and none of them do anything to put in place laws that would help against corruption. Thaksin and his club and the current MOB. All they use is corruption against their enemies to get them punished. But at least then some corruption gets punished.

 

Now if the PTP gets in power and they expose some dirty laundry of the current MOB id only applaud this even though they then are just like this mob not really against corruption but just against their enemies.

 

Still it will result in some criminals getting punished for corruption and that is still far better then letting them all go. You will never convince me otherwise. I rather see them all in jail but as you said Thailand is full of corruption and its not going to change. So that is not realistic. All we can hope for is that some of them pay the price even if corruption is just a mean to an end. 

 

As for democracy i would not call Thaksin a democrat he was on his way to become a dictator. Currunt mob also not democratic and those idiot senators now.. a disgrace. 

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Comparing Thanathorn with Thaksin and saying its the same clearly shows me your Thaksinite. There is a huge difference between the cases. One is obviously corrupt individual and convicted for it. The other is not indicted for corruption but has something minor used against him.

 

Your too focused on the fight of colors that is so old fashioned. They are all corrupt and none of them do anything to put in place laws that would help against corruption. Thaksin and his club and the current MOB. All they use is corruption against their enemies to get them punished. But at least then some corruption gets punished.

 

Now if the PTP gets in power and they expose some dirty laundry of the current MOB id only applaud this even though they then are just like this mob not really against corruption but just against their enemies.

 

Still it will result in some criminals getting punished for corruption and that is still far better then letting them all go. You will never convince me otherwise. I rather see them all in jail but as you said Thailand is full of corruption and its not going to change. So that is not realistic. All we can hope for is that some of them pay the price even if corruption is just a mean to an end. 

 

As for democracy i would not call Thaksin a democrat he was on his way to become a dictator. Currunt mob also not democratic and those idiot senators now.. a disgrace. 

Sad.

 

Depressing even.

 

Prayuth, Trump, Bolonsaro….. ultimately, these types of demagogues are enabled by people who should know better but don’t.

 

In these enabling and inadequate individuals gullibility, delusion, prejudice, jealousy and refusal to accept accountability for their own personal failures are twisted and distorted to allow their tiny brains to override common sense and common decency.

Is this you?

 

Edited January 13 by MrMojoRisin