Paetongtarn Shinawatra says she is ready to be Pheu Thai’s PM candidate

[kinyara]

It's Prayuth's hand-picked unelected Senators who ultimately decide who is PM, I think it's far more likely that the wily Chidchob proxy Anutin will emerge as the only acceptable head of a Pheu Thai coalition. In terms of greed and personal enrichment they are on a par if not surpass the Shin's.

[pomchop]

13 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

“Paetongtarn Shinawatra says she is ready to be Pheu Thai’s PM candidate.”

 

Of course she is. And when she becomes PM, her daddy will have another puppet in power, just as he did when Yingluck was PM. And they will be laughing all the way to the bank. And the people of Thailand, again, will be left holding the short end of the stick. But that’s probably going to be the case anyway, no matter who becomes PM. 

another farang that knows what is best for the Thai people....it is so very simple...let the thai people vote and then let their pick serve a term without the generals plotting to overthrow them....amazing how many people seem to support coups over voting.

[JCauto]

13 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How do you know that she would be "better than the current lot in every conceivable way"?

That might be what you hope. And maybe she will be better.

But maybe she will just follow the orders of her criminal father and continue with his corrupt politics. And maybe that will lead to more protests and another coup. The rest is history.

 

It's time that Thailand gets out of the Shinawatra/coup circle.

Thailand should have a government with honest and competent politicians who work for Thais and Thailand.

That is obviously difficult and not that easy. Electing the same known corrupt people (or any of their family members) will bring the same outcome. Don't do it if you want that something changes to the better.

 

The fact that she was elected and can lose the following election based on her performance makes her better in every conceivable way than this lot. Because they won't even let that litmus test be performed, they manufacture the protest and excuses and simply take over power as soon as they know they can get away with it and hold it until they know they simply can't retain it any longer. Then, having ensured they're protection via the undemocratic constitution their main stooge Meechai wrote, they just let the current mob (accurate description) retire on their ill-gotten gains and let the next class take their turn. They also rig the system so that they can't be unelected and utilize their unelected buddies in the Senate and Courts to ensure their power continues indefinitely until enough people are killed by the soldiers to overturn it. This is in every single way worse than anything that can be done by Shin's latest relative.

 

As to your solution...did you spend even 10 seconds of thought on that one? Yes, "Thailand should have a government with honest and competent politicians who work for Thais and Thailand." Wow. What insight. Who might these people be and what happens when one of them comes anywhere near the levers of power? Where's Thanathorn these days, for example? So you set in place a fantasy that the most Pollyannish Thai nationalist would burst out laughing at in terms of plausibility, then say "that is obviously difficult and not that easy." Not that easy? Unless the new leader is riding in on a unicorn spreading fairy dust that magically turns the boys in green to oompah loompahs yeah, not happening. So the real question for those of us living in the real world in the real country of Thailand is, do you prefer the military seizing power and holding it arbitrarily whenever they feel like it and force hundreds to eventually die for them to briefly relinquish it, or do you prefer election of the ones who are voted for despite their obvious flaws?

If you prefer the military to maintain power in preference to the Shins and other electable people in Thailand, then make that case. You've instead made no case at all.


 

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, pomchop said:

another farang that knows what is best for the Thai people....it is so very simple...let the thai people vote and then let their pick serve a term without the generals plotting to overthrow them....amazing how many people seem to support coups over voting.

Where did I say that I support coups over voting? Stop making things up. All I said was that if Paetongtarn becomes PM, her daddy will be very happy to be able to milk that cash cow again, and that it will not be good for the people of Thailand. 

[Deli]

17 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

When Yingluck started as PM, Prayuth and the military had just finished using live ammunition on civilians - murdering 100 of them.

Dishonesty will get you nowhere.

Dishonesty brought Cha Cha into the chair where he was sitting the last 8 years

[OneMoreFarang]

35 minutes ago, JCauto said:

The fact that she was elected and can lose the following election based on her performance makes her better in every conceivable way

Being elected makes her better in exactly one way, not "in every conceivable way".

It seems you only see black or white. There is a lot of grey out there.

[Sydebolle]

21 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

You been living under a rock?

The current regime is so bad even you would be an upgrade.

Thailand is at rock bottom - the only way is up. 
Sit back and enjoy the ride.

Details, details, details ........ The last run for the government house saw 6+ million votes for a party nobody ever expected when the dinosaurs pulled the plug, declared party and leadership illegal and hence 6+ million votes got ..... deleted. 

Any other country with a whiff of democracy would have cried foul - to start with. If there would have been a real election error/mistake, the whole process would have been repeated. 

Lets see what 7 May brings this time; maybe they will have to void 7, 8 or 10 million votes - your call and good luck to all - from "under the rock" as suggested ???? 

[JCauto]

24 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Being elected makes her better in exactly one way, not "in every conceivable way".

It seems you only see black or white. There is a lot of grey out there.

You are missing the point - it is not relevant whether she or they are good or bad since the basic system that gets that person into power has no barriers to bad candidates or expressways for good ones but ensures only the transfer of power to those who are armed. All else is irrelevant. As Churchill noted,  “democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried.” Whenever the military interrupts the democratically elected government and installs their own people, they stop any progress and democracy has to restart from the beginning again while the only politicians who continue throughout the process remain the same old corrupt ones. Therefore there is an assurance of the repeat of the cycle.

Your "solution" was wishful thinking that you threw at the wall on your way out the door. Bit rich calling me out for lack of nuance in that circumstance.

[billd766]

On 1/16/2023 at 10:25 AM, kingstonkid said:

The people did remove both thaksins.  They dit by protest.  The thing people need to do is learn about democracy.  

 

The other thing is that people need to get educated about election.  Until that is done the people outside bkk and cities will follow like sheep.

 

Pat has made promises that it can not do again.  Once the young people find out that there is never going to be a 25k guaranteed salary and people in the country do not get the 600 an hour the cycle will start over again.

Do you really believe that the Thai people removed the Thaksin Shinawatra government in 2006?

 

A small history lesson for you.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaksin_Shinawatra#September_2006_coup

 

On the evening of 19 September 2006, while Thaksin was visiting New York City to attend a UN summit and speak at the Council on Foreign Relations, the army took control of Bangkok. At Government House, some 50 soldiers ordered approximately 220 policemen in the complex to lay down their weapons. Troops also surrounded the Thaicom satellite receiving station and state-run television station Channel 11. By the morning of 20 September, tanks and military vehicles armed with machine guns were stationed at Government House, the Royal Plaza, and Ratchadamnoen Avenue.[161]

Troops participating in the coup were from the 1st and 3rd Army Regions, the Internal Security Operations Command, the Special Warfare Centre, army units from Nakhon Ratchasima and Prachinburi, and navy sailors.[162] According to coup leader Army General Sonthi Boonyaratglin, coup leaders had arrested Deputy Prime Minister Chitchai Wannasathit and Defense Minister Thammarak Isaragura na Ayuthaya

 

Another small history lesson

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yingluck_Shinawatra#2013/14_Opposition_protests,_supreme_court_impeachment_and_coup

 

On 9 December 2013, Yingluck dissolved the country's parliament and called early elections in the face of anti-government protests.[69]

On 7 May 2014, the Constitutional Court unanimously dismissed Yingluck from office in consequence of her removing an appointee of an earlier government, Thawil Pliensri, from his post as National Security Council secretary-general in 2011. The court deemed the transfer unconstitutional and therefore, removed Yingluck from office.[70]

A few weeks after Yingluck was impeached, the military coup of 2014 occurred.

 

Please take notice of the last word in each link.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Being elected makes her better in exactly one way, not "in every conceivable way".

It seems you only see black or white. There is a lot of grey out there.

Or, in your case, camo green.......

[metisdead]

A post with a copyrighted photo from Bangkok Post has been removed. 

[pomchop]

3 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Where did I say that I support coups over voting? Stop making things up. All I said was that if Paetongtarn becomes PM, her daddy will be very happy to be able to milk that cash cow again, and that it will not be good for the people of Thailand. 

so you know best what the thai people should do and that of course is not to elect a person that you don't like

 

3 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Where did I say that I support coups over voting? Stop making things up. All I said was that if Paetongtarn becomes PM, her daddy will be very happy to be able to milk that cash cow again, and that it will not be good for the people of Thailand. 

so you support those that you like and denigrate  those you don't like and have a great insight into what will be good for the people of Thailand...got it. 

 

Repeat: .it is so very simple...let the thai people vote and then let their pick serve a term 

[rudi49jr]

15 minutes ago, pomchop said:

so you know best what the thai people should do and that of course is not to elect a person that you don't like

 

so you support those that you like and denigrate  those you don't like and have a great insight into what will be good for the people of Thailand...got it. 

 

Repeat: .it is so very simple...let the thai people vote and then let their pick serve a term 

How did I denigrate anyone? You really read way too much in what I said. It’s not because I don’t like certain persons (although I really don’t like the Shin clan), but it’s because I know they’re not going to be good for Thailand and its people when elected, only good for themselves. So I think it would not be good for Thai people if they voted for Paetongtarn.
That is my opinion. Is it okay with you to state my opinion here? Jeez.

[pomchop]

7 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

How did I denigrate anyone? You really read way too much in what I said. It’s not because I don’t like certain persons (although I really don’t like the Shin clan), but it’s because I know they’re not going to be good for Thailand and its people when elected, only good for themselves. So I think it would not be good for Thai people if they voted for Paetongtarn.
That is my opinion. Is it okay with you to state my opinion here? Jeez.

ok guess i missed it..and this was a compliment? strange compliment ..but glad YOU Know it would not be good for Thai people....try "you think" 

 

 And when she becomes PM, her daddy will have another puppet in power, just as he did when Yingluck was PM. And they will be laughing all the way to the bank

[Freed1948]

23 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Who said he can’t express his unfounded incorrect opinion?

Some people are full of themselves.

[MrMojoRisin]

5 hours ago, Deli said:

Dishonesty brought Cha Cha into the chair where he was sitting the last 8 years

Not dishonesty but guns and a demonstrated willingness to use them.

[rudi49jr]

1 hour ago, pomchop said:

ok guess i missed it..and this was a compliment? strange compliment ..but glad YOU Know it would not be good for Thai people....try "you think" 

 

 And when she becomes PM, her daddy will have another puppet in power, just as he did when Yingluck was PM. And they will be laughing all the way to the bank

You have a funny way (sarcasm alert) of interpreting my posts. From what I have seen so far from the Shin clan, they don’t give a toss about Thailand or the Thai people, they only care about money and power. So I have no reason to believe it will be different this time, if Paetongtarn were to be elected as PM. That’s why I said I KNOW that that would not be good for Thai people. Like putting your foot in a live bear trap: you just know that is not going to end well.

But, like I said before, that is just my opinion.