ozimoron Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Red meat and the risk of bowel cancer Red meat – such as beef, lamb and pork – is a good source of protein, vitamins and minerals, and can form part of a balanced diet. But eating a lot of red and processed meat increases your risk of bowel (colorectal) cancer. That's why it's recommended that people who eat more than 90g (cooked weight) of red and processed meat a day cut down to 70g or less. This could help reduce your risk of bowel cancer. https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-guidelines-and-food-labels/red-meat-and-the-risk-of-bowel-cancer/ New System Ranks Evidence for Health Risks of Eating Red Meat, Smoking, and More—But Critics Say It’s Overly Simplistic Importantly, the new ratings do not show that eating red meat isn’t associated with certain health problems or that eating vegetables does not help protect against them. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-system-ranks-evidence-for-health-risks-of-eating-red-meat-smoking-and-more-but-critics-say-its-overly-simplistic/ One daily serving of unprocessed red meat — about the size of a deck of cards — was associated with a 13% increased risk of death from cardiovascular disease or cancer. One daily serving of processed red meat — one hot dog or two slices of bacon — was associated with a 20% increased risk of death from cardiovascular disease or cancer. https://www.scripps.org/news_items/4258-is-red-meat-bad-for-you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 A little bit of what you fancy does you good , anything in excess can be bad for you even water ..., eating a lot of beef here should not be a problem as its not very good, think I have had one steak here which I can say was good , the rest a waste of money. regards Worgeordie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 27, 2023 Author Share Posted January 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, worgeordie said: A little bit of what you fancy does you good , anything in excess can be bad for you even water ..., eating a lot of beef here should not be a problem as its not very good, think I have had one steak here which I can say was good , the rest a waste of money. regards Worgeordie Pork is included as red meat and is widely eaten in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) To the title, as with everything ... moderation. I await the 'Is water bad for you thread ?' flour ... white vs whole vs brown rice ... carbs ... sugar ... coffee ... alcohol ... ganga ... msg ... salt ... e-cigs ... Must be true though ... Edited January 27, 2023 by KhunLA 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardandtubs Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 This very recent study suggests the evidence that red meat is unhealthy is weak: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01968-z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 27, 2023 Author Share Posted January 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said: This very recent study suggests the evidence that red meat is unhealthy is weak: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01968-z It does not, however, disprove the hypothesis. I made no comment, just posted the research for information. Life isn't a test drive and I don't want to discount any credible research in the hope that it proves wrong. If the NiH and Mayo Clinic are claiming it's a risk at even moderate levels of consumption, I'm paying attention. There's also plenty of evidence that red meat may be bad for prostate enlargement. Some studies found an increased risk of BPH in men who ate more red meat. But other studies found a decreased risk of BPH in men with a high total protein intake, especially protein intake of leaner forms of protein such as fish. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/benign-prostatic-hyperplasia/expert-answers/enlarged-prostate-and-diet/faq-20322773 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardandtubs Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Life isn't a test drive and I don't want to discount any credible research in the hope that it proves wrong. Up to you but personally I wouldn't live my life that way. If there's a 1 in 100 chance of a certain health outcome, then after a 20% increase it becomes 1.2 in 100. Hardly worth worrying about, especially if the evidence is weak. Personally, I do follow a plant-based diet with moderate meat consumption because I like it and it makes me feel good. That's the best way to live life, not full of anxiety about all the things in the world that might kill you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Startmeup Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 None of us would be here today if it wasn't for red meat. Of course processed meat is totally different to proper meat. The real harm in the diet comes from Sugar Seed oils Over consumption of carbohydrates/processed food/calories Chemicals Red meat is one of the most bioavailable sources of nutrition you can eat. Organ meats trumps that again. Ditch your multivitamin and eat the most nutrient dense food on the planet - a small portion of grass fed beef liver every day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post proton Posted January 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) Not eaten any for over 50 years, no bowel cancer so far, but mum and sister both died of it by my age and they ate dead animals. Edited January 27, 2023 by proton 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 We all die. Let's enjoy life before that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 27, 2023 Author Share Posted January 27, 2023 41 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: We all die. Let's enjoy life before that happens. You have a presumption that life is not enjoyable without red meat. Diet is just a matter of training. Some people don't like seafood. I ate everything until about 2 or 3 years ago. I'm constantly adding and removing stuff from my diet ans I learn more, a process that has been ongoing for several years. I'd prefer to die in a healthy state, not suffering for months or years from a chronic disease or spending years disabled by heart attack or stroke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 hour ago, proton said: Not eaten any for over 50 years, no bowel cancer so far, but mum and sister both died of it by my age and they ate dead animals. Wiv the fur on...? ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StayinThailand2much Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) Yesterday white bread, today red meat... Will we discuss here tomorrow whether potato chips are unhealthy? (Also, should 'Asean Now' be renamed 'Healthy Nutrition Now'?) Edited January 27, 2023 by StayinThailand2much 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 I think some folk worry too much about grub, moderation is the key, and hope your genes are from a good source, after all, we all know folk die from a cancer that had nothing to do with related activity......... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said: Yesterday white bread, today red meat... Will we discuss here tomorrow whether potato chips are unhealthy? (Also, should 'Asean Now' be renamed 'Healthy Nutrition Now'?) Yep, it will be chip's next...... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StayinThailand2much Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, transam said: Yep, it will be chip's next...... I love fish and chips, but not easy to get my hands on it in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said: I love fish and chips, but not easy to get my hands on it in Thailand. Yes, back home I would have a wing of Skate and chips once a week, if Skate was off, large Cod please..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 I had a couple of relatives living over 90 years. Some smoking and drinking and enjoying food. Sometimes I wonder how they survived without all that modern advice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 22 minutes ago, transam said: Yes, back home I would have a wing of Skate and chips once a week, if Skate was off, large Cod please..... I never tried Skate, I preferred Haddock or Cod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 27, 2023 Author Share Posted January 27, 2023 Folks around these parts like to defend their sacred cows to the death. Get it, "to the death". LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: I had a couple of relatives living over 90 years. Some smoking and drinking and enjoying food. Sometimes I wonder how they survived without all that modern advice. I think some here take too much notice of "Links" they constantly read............................... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingdongrb Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 53 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said: Yesterday white bread, today red meat... Will we discuss here tomorrow whether potato chips are unhealthy? (Also, should 'Asean Now' be renamed 'Healthy Nutrition Now'?) Tacos are bad for you, the bearded ones! They will take your house, your money, and even your heart...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, billd766 said: I never tried Skate, I preferred Haddock or Cod. I think Skate is the Rolls Royce of fried fish, with a "dab" of HP, naturally....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 27, 2023 Author Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 minute ago, transam said: I think some here take too much notice of "Links" they constantly read............................... Literacy will do that every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: Literacy will do that every time. I thought Big Macs, which reminds me, not downed a couple for a while, a must-do, soon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, billd766 said: I never tried Skate, I preferred Haddock or Cod. The fish I eat now in Thailand, is frozen dory fish (Pangusius) along with frozen chips from Makro. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkokhatter Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 hour ago, ozimoron said: I'd prefer to die in a healthy state, How does that work ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, billd766 said: The fish I eat now in Thailand, is frozen dory fish (Pangusius) along with frozen chips from Makro. Why would you eat frozen fish in Thailand when you can get fresh fish from the market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bangkokhatter said: How does that work ? Let's say you are a smoker, and you are about to die. What do they tell you? Don't smoke! Die healthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 27, 2023 Author Share Posted January 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, Bangkokhatter said: How does that work ? Sorry, I have no clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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