Mac Mickmanus Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: It would be a 1/2 a state solution, they have never been offered a state based on international law, which is the UN agreed borders. LOL, it was the U.N that offered to give a Palestinian state in 1948 and Palestinians reject that . Are you saying that the U.N offered conditions that broke international law ? Could you back that up ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, ozimoron said: Apparently not hard to do. Is any part of Israel in Palestine, other than the illegally occupied territories? This is getting bizarre. Do you think most Arabs in west Bank, Gaza, and the diaspora accept Israel's right to exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ozimoron said: BS. Prove it. Commission of Inquiry finds that the Israeli occupation is unlawful under international law https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/10/commission-inquiry-finds-israeli-occupation-unlawful-under-international-law Not BS! Only 14 percent! https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/palestinian-majority-rejects-two-state-solution-backs-tactical-compromises Edited February 1, 2023 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jingthing said: This is getting bizarre. Do you think most Arabs in west Bank, Gaza, and the diaspora accept Israel's right to exist? That's irrelevant. The Palestinians have a right to their own nation regardless of their animosity to Israel. Israel is denying that so it isn't any wonder they are hated. Right back to the Shatila massacre and before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Not BS! Only 14 percent! https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/palestinian-majority-rejects-two-state-solution-backs-tactical-compromises Not a credible source. That poll includes Israeli Arabs. The two state solution was agreed to in the Oslo accords in 1993.. US again backs two-state solution in call to Palestinian leader The US secretary of state reaffirms US commitment to a two-state solution in call with President Mahmoud Abbas. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/5/us-again-backs-two-state-solution-in-call-to-palestinian-leader The pollsters found that support for a Jewish-dominated state has surged among Israeli Jews. On the Palestinian side, the two-state solution still enjoys a plurality of support, but Gaza has replaced the West Bank as the area with the more moderate views. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-01-25/ty-article/.premium/israeli-palestinian-poll-shows-support-for-two-state-solution-at-all-time-low/00000185-e461-d109-a7af-e571a7330000 Edited February 1, 2023 by ozimoron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, ozimoron said: They aren't Palestinians. Stop this nonsense . 150 000 Palestine remained in Israel in 1948 and that number is now two million Palestinians live inside Israel as Israeli citizens That is basic common knowledge and isn't disputed by anyone (apart from you) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, Mac Mickmanus said: Stop this nonsense . 150 000 Palestine remained in Israel in 1948 and that number is now two million Palestinians live inside Israel as Israeli citizens That is basic common knowledge and isn't disputed by anyone (apart from you) Lack of links removes your credibility. Palestine is as entitled to have immigrants as does any other state including Israel which grants citizenship to anybody proving ancestry back to a single grandparent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, ozimoron said: That's irrelevant. The Palestinians have a right to their own nation regardless of their animosity to Israel. Israel is denying that so it isn't any wonder they are hated. Right back to the Shatila massacre and before. It's not irrelevant. If neither side trusts each other at all any kind of peaceful solution is impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Not a credible source. That poll includes Israeli Arabs. The two state solution was agreed to in the Oslo accords in 1993.. US again backs two-state solution in call to Palestinian leader The US secretary of state reaffirms US commitment to a two-state solution in call with President Mahmoud Abbas. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/5/us-again-backs-two-state-solution-in-call-to-palestinian-leader The pollsters found that support for a Jewish-dominated state has surged among Israeli Jews. On the Palestinian side, the two-state solution still enjoys a plurality of support, but Gaza has replaced the West Bank as the area with the more moderate views. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-01-25/ty-article/.premium/israeli-palestinian-poll-shows-support-for-two-state-solution-at-all-time-low/00000185-e461-d109-a7af-e571a7330000 I knew you were going to attack the source. Too predictable Dude you are living in the past! Hopes for a two state solution are over! There isn't strong support for that on EITHER SIDE! FACT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, ozimoron said: That's irrelevant. The Palestinians have a right to their own nation regardless of their animosity to Israel. Israel is denying that so it isn't any wonder they are hated. Right back to the Shatila massacre and before. Is that the Shatila massacre that was carried out by Lebanese Muslims in Lebanon in retaliation for an assassination of their Prime Minister ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Lack of links removes your credibility. Palestine is as entitled to have immigrants as does any other state including Israel which grants citizenship to anybody proving ancestry back to a single grandparent. I will do a websearch and get some links for you........................ "After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. " https://imeu.org/topic/category/palestinian-citizens-of-israel#:~:text=After the war%2C around 150%2C000,of the total Israeli population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazes Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 34 minutes ago, ozimoron said: You don't know what Palestinians are? Grow up and stop trolling. Weird, truly weird...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save the frogs Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, Jingthing said: If neither side trusts each other at all any kind of peaceful solution is impossible. it's not only about trust. human beings are emotional creatures who hold grudges and want justice for past hurts. that's why it's a vicious cycle that is very difficult to break. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazes Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 33 minutes ago, ozimoron said: No, we have Palestinians in the west bank and gaza. "We"?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save the frogs Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I will do a websearch and get some links for you........................ Yes, you will do a web search and get some links and find some hard cold facts. Conflict is about EMOTIONS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieKo Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 46 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Not if they supported a two state solution which is what is fair and what the rest of the world wants. The Netanyahu government are racist scum. The Palestinian Arabs do not support a two state solution. As they say it takes two to tango. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, save the frogs said: it's not only about trust. human beings are emotional creatures who hold grudges and want justice for past hurts. that's why it's a vicious cycle that is very difficult to break. That's putting it mildly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieKo Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 31 minutes ago, ozimoron said: That's irrelevant. The Palestinians have a right to their own nation regardless of their animosity to Israel. Israel is denying that so it isn't any wonder they are hated. Right back to the Shatila massacre and before. It's very relevant. The Palestinians deny the right of Israel to exist. Until they accept that right, they themselves will not have a nation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post liddelljohn Posted February 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 1, 2023 Netenyahu is a Psychopath and fanatic only interested in his own power , the Fanatics , sephardic jews racists and Ultra Religious jews are in control , but they are a minority ,, most secular Israelis I know just want peace , If Israel does not come to an accomodation with moderate palestinians who are also a majority the It is ultimately doomed . I have relations there , have worked and lived there ... I have also worked with palestinians all over middle east , problem is Fanatics and vested interests , nasty minorities that ruin the majorities regular citizens life on both sides .. Jews and Arabs ... its a mess Netenyahu should be in Jail anyway ,, another Bolsonaro, Trump, Assad, Putin, type monster 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 minute ago, liddelljohn said: Netenyahu is a Psychopath and fanatic only interested in his own power , the Fanatics , sephardic jews racists and Ultra Religious jews are in control , but they are a minority ,, most secular Israelis I know just want peace , If Israel does not come to an accomodation with moderate palestinians who are also a majority the It is ultimately doomed . I have relations there , have worked and lived there ... I have also worked with palestinians all over middle east , problem is Fanatics and vested interests , nasty minorities that ruin the majorities regular citizens life on both sides .. Jews and Arabs ... its a mess Netenyahu should be in Jail anyway ,, another Bolsonaro, Trump, Assad, Putin, type monster Yeah but right wing Israelis are not a minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, CharlieKo said: It's very relevant. The Palestinians deny the right of Israel to exist. Until they accept that right, they themselves will not have a nation. Check back in 100 years. Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 9 minutes ago, CharlieKo said: It's very relevant. The Palestinians deny the right of Israel to exist. Until they accept that right, they themselves will not have a nation. They may accept a two state solution when there are more settlers in the West bank than there are Palestinians and Jews will then be in a majority there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, ozimoron said: You don't know what Palestinians are? Grow up and stop trolling. You do seem to have a very limited knowledge of the situation , having made numerous incorrect uninformed claims and statements that are just completely wrong Edited February 1, 2023 by Mac Mickmanus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangon04 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 hours ago, placeholder said: Can you enlighten us as to where present day Jews come from then? a large number came "recently" from Russia?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GypsyT Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 "Netenyahu should be in Jail anyway" Who's to pardon ex rapists then? "Former Israeli President Moshe Katsav was released from prison this week after public prosecutors decided not to appeal a parole board's decision to free him. Katsav, 71, was released from the Maasiyahu Prison in central Israel on Wednesday after serving five years of a seven-year jail term for rape. In December of 2010, Katsav was convicted of committing rape and sexual assault while serving as a cabinet minister. He was also convicted of sexually harassing two women while serving as president. Israel’s eighth president, Katsav was a leading member of the right-wing Likud party, which is currently led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He is the first Israeli president to serve out a jail sentence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 minute ago, bangon04 said: a large number came "recently" from Russia?? Do you have a problem with people immigrating to other Countries or is it just Russian Jews? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: Not BS! Only 14 percent! https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/palestinian-majority-rejects-two-state-solution-backs-tactical-compromises OK (if this poll is reliable). However, people being people, opinions are influenced by perceptions. After years of Netanyahu's government, and on top of it after the so-called Trump "peace" plan, it is obvious that Palestinians were not expecting to see the opportunity of any fair two state solution soon. When there is no realistic reply option, and you are <deleted>-off, choosing the less realistic and most provocative reply (regaining all of Palestinia) is not a surprising reaction. Edited February 1, 2023 by candide 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: It's not irrelevant. If neither side trusts each other at all any kind of peaceful solution is impossible. Israel has deprived an entire generation o Palestinians the right to life, liberty and happiness. They don't get to claim distrust of Palestinian rights. Netanyahu should face trial in The Hague along with many of his cronies. They engage in war crimes with impunity due to an outsized influence in American politics. Edited February 1, 2023 by ozimoron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieKo Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Israel has deprived an entire generation o Palestinians the right to life, liberty and happiness. They don't get to claim distrust of Palestinian rights. Israel has tried a number of times to make peace with the Palestinians. On each occasion the Palestinians rejected peace. So really the Palestinians have deprived themselves of Life, Liberty, and Happiness. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CharlieKo said: Israel has tried a number of times to make peace with the Palestinians. On each occasion the Palestinians rejected peace. So really the Palestinians have deprived themselves of Life, Liberty, and Happiness. If you believe invasion of Ukraine was right, then,,,,,,, Anyway, there is no good in this conflict. A long lasting conflict with absolutely no solution, and to many Palestinians is suffering. Edited February 1, 2023 by Hummin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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