ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, blazes said: Exactly how is Israel an "apartheid" state? Israel fits the very definition of an apartheid state. If they gave Palestinians a vote they would not be. After Russia Israel would easily be the world's worst state actor. Edited February 1, 2023 by ozimoron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: Israel fits the very definition of an apartheid state. If they gave Palestinians a vote they would not be. Arab Israelis have the vote. Not really sure what Palestinians are. It's more accurate to say Arabs. Jews in the area used to be called Palestinian which is my point. Edited February 1, 2023 by Jingthing 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, Jingthing said: Arab Israelis have the vote. I didn't mention them did I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 30 minutes ago, placeholder said: About half of Jewish Israelis believe in separate and unequal when it comes to rights for Arab citizens of Israel. And 80% of Jewish Israelis believe that fateful decisions about Israel should be made by a majority of Jewish Israels. Of course, if Jews were in a minority , then Israel could be voted out of existence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: I didn't mention them did I? They exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazes Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, ozimoron said: Israel fits the very definition of an apartheid state. If they gave Palestinians a vote they would not be. Arab Israelis have the vote. What does "if they gave Palestinians a vote" actually mean? You can of course imagine how wonderful would be the "democracy" formed by the Palestinians whose first aim in life is to sweep the Israelis into the sea..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, Mac Mickmanus said: Of course, if Jews were in a minority , then Israel could be voted out of existence Not if they supported a two state solution which is what is fair and what the rest of the world wants. The Netanyahu government are racist scum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, Jingthing said: They exist. This is all about Palestinians. The thread title is about Palestinians. Stay on topic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, ozimoron said: This is all about Palestinians. The thread title is about Palestinians. Stay on topic! What a bizarre statement. You do know that most Arab Israelis identify as Palestinians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, blazes said: Arab Israelis have the vote. What does "if they gave Palestinians a vote" actually mean? You can of course imagine how wonderful would be the "democracy" formed by the Palestinians whose first aim in life is to sweep the Israelis into the sea..... You don't know what Palestinians are? Grow up and stop trolling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Not if they supported a two state solution which is what is fair and what the rest of the world wants. The Netanyahu government are racist scum. I call BS. A two state solution is not strongly supported on either side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, Jingthing said: What a bizarre statement. You do know that most Arab Israelis identify as Palestinians? Palestinians don't identify as Israelis. You too, stop trolling, you know exactly what I mean. Stop the weasel words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, Jingthing said: I call BS. A two state solution is not strongly supported on either side! Palestinians don't want their own state now? What a stupid statement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Not if they supported a two state solution which is what is fair and what the rest of the world wants. The Netanyahu government are racist scum. The Palestinians do not want a two state solution though , had they agreed to that , there would indeed currently be two states . Israel agreed to a two state solution, Palestinians reject it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, ozimoron said: You don't know what Palestinians are? Grow up and stop trolling. It's not trolling. It's an artificially created identity for Arabs in the general area I recall even Yarafat said as much. I really think Arabs is much more accurate. So we have Arab Israelis, Arabs in Gaza, Arabs in the west Bank, Arabs from the region in the diaspora. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, Mac Mickmanus said: The Palestinians do not want a two state solution though , had they agreed to that , there would indeed currently be two states . Israel agreed to a two state solution, Palestinians reject it It would be a 1/2 a state solution, they have never been offered a state based on international law, which is the UN agreed borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, Jingthing said: It's not trolling. It's an artificially created identity for Arabs in the general area I recall even Yarafat said as much. I really think Arabs is much more accurate. So we have Arab Israelis, Arabs in Gaza, Arabs in the west Bank, Arabs from the region in the diaspora. No, we have Palestinians in the west bank and gaza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Palestinians don't identify as Israelis. You too, stop trolling, you know exactly what I mean. Stop the weasel words. I think Arab Israelis identify as Palestinian Arab ethnically but Israeli nationally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, ozimoron said: No, we have Palestinians in the west bank and gaza. Arab Israelis and many in the diaspora would disagree with that limitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, Jingthing said: I think Arab Israelis identify as Palestinian Arab ethnically but Israeli nationally. What you think is irrelevant. It's what Palestinians thinks that matters. And international law. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Israel fits the very definition of an apartheid state. If they gave Palestinians a vote they would not be. After Russia Israel would easily be the world's worst state actor. Palestinians who are Israeli citizens get to vote , some two million Palestinians Israeli Arabs get to vote and they also get elected to their Parliament . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, Jingthing said: Arab Israelis and many in the diaspora would disagree with that limitation. Arab Israelis are in neither region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, Mac Mickmanus said: Palestinians who are Israeli citizens get to vote , some two million Palestinians Israeli Arabs get to vote and they also get elected to their Parliament . They aren't Palestinians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Palestinians don't want their own state now? What a stupid statement. They don’t want two states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, ozimoron said: They aren't Palestinians. Who are you to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 14 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Israel fits the very definition of an apartheid state. If they gave Palestinians a vote they would not be. After Russia Israel would easily be the world's worst state actor. No room for, say, Myanmar, in your rankings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, Jingthing said: They don’t want two states. BS. Prove it. Commission of Inquiry finds that the Israeli occupation is unlawful under international law https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/10/commission-inquiry-finds-israeli-occupation-unlawful-under-international-law 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Arab Israelis are in neither region. You've lost me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, Jingthing said: Who are you to say? I quote international law and world opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, Jingthing said: You've lost me. Apparently not hard to do. Is any part of Israel in Palestine, other than the illegally occupied territories? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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