Electric Bicycle Questions

[Baht Simpson]

27 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

23.9k for that, would be a terrible value, and with lead acid battery ????

 

Spring 5k more and get a real E-Motorcycle, 1000w motor/63v20Ah lithium battery.

Thanks Khun. I'd love one of those but I really need a three-wheeler as I don't trust my dodgy knee.

[KhunLA]

36 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

Thanks Khun. I'd love one of those but I really need a three-wheeler as I don't trust my dodgy knee.

Just get something with a lithium battery, and 500w would be enough.  Don't think they come with anything bigger, as at speed, they don't handle too good.  Though you won't be breaking any track records.

 

DECO has them, but knocking on 36k

https://decogreenenergy.com/index.php/th/product-deco/electric-bicycles/family-2

 

They have ebike also shy, of 20k, though easy on & off, step through.

https://decogreenenergy.com/index.php/th/product-deco/electric-bicycles/z1

 

Same style as EM models at HomePro.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 6, 2023 by KhunLA

[KhunLA]

@Baht Simpson

These are the batteries, lead acid, used in most of the non-lithium powered scooters.  12v12Ah, and takes 4 in series (48v12Ah).   If need replacing every year of less, that starts to add up.  Warranties are always short, for a reason.

 

Lead acid, you can only use 50% of capacity.  Lithium 80%, though I always keep a 30% or more reserve.

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/chilwee-12v12ah1-i3931730858-s15157379820.html?from_gmc=1&exlaz=d_1:mm_150050845_51350205_2010350205::12:17724336665!!!!!c!!15157379820!227624352&gclid=CjwKCAiAu5agBhBzEiwAdiR5tBa1UMwr0U5P3vGn8hAoXWNGWzOgMO-5rhdoDjr8IhLOu9M-fTNZnhoCO64QAvD_BwE

 

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/a6100448v12v12ah12v15ah-i2916348240-s10688006788.html?&search=pdp_same_topselling?spm=a2o4m.pdp_revamp.recommendation_1.3.6dc95388KZq9aQ&mp=1&scm=1007.16389.286994.0&clickTrackInfo=8abdb49f-7cd0-4cb0-8a42-27ea79af8c54__2916348240__12534__trigger2i__224806__0.3__0.3__0.0__0.0__0.0__0.3__2__null__null__null__null__null__null____2350.0__0.0__4.880952380952381__126__2350.0__130147,140996,141764,142021,154904,154933,155031,155033,155124,155592,155688,155691,155791,158442,158463,162251,162332,162521,163240,169995,174542,174623,187248,191850,194068,194087,194177,194333,201378,202159,203107,203658,204555,210096,212764,213634,213646,213701,218413,219059,226018,232522,233186,234278,234359,235501,235822,237483,243890,246387,246424,246613,253179__null__null__null__955.7333_3650.16539_3650.16544_955.3632__null__13426__null__0.0__0.0________null__null

Edited March 6, 2023 by KhunLA

[KhunLA]

@Baht Simpson

For comparison, the DECO replacement batteries go for about 17k, I think, on Shopee anyway.  But also 60v/20Ah.

 

My ebike (DIY) cost shy of 6k, and 48v/10Ah, and the 10Ah part is questionable, although it is powering a 1000w motor, so might be accurate.

 

My E-MB is 72v/50Ah, and powers a 3000w motor, and hope I don't need to replace that anytime soon ????  Buying one of their 1000w motorbikes might be cheaper ????

[eisfeld]

On 3/5/2023 at 3:14 PM, Barley said:

My opinion is that I don't on all three counts, since this model has pedals, but I would like to hear your opinions. 

 

On 3/6/2023 at 4:50 AM, Will B Good said:

Not an expert, but read somewhere it must have pedals.....even if they are totally ineffective.....otherwise it could be classed as a motorbike.

As mentioned by other posters, having pedals or not doesn't mean anything when it comes to the law. It got two wheels and a motor? It's a motorbike. No matter also how it looks like (e.g. like a bicycle). This is specified at the beginning of the Vehicle Act which is a pinned topic of the motorcycle subforum here.

 

You can easily see how otherwise you'd end up with silly stuff like slapping pedals on a 1000cc race bike making it a bicycle exempt from all regulations. Of course that wouldn't make sense.

 

Some people and sellers then claim there are excemptions for electricly propelled bikes under a certain amount of watt but when asked for an official source I've never seen any proper reply.

[eisfeld]

19 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

Watts is not as important as torque for getting up hills - though they are related to some extent.

It's not that easy. You can have a motor A with less torque but more power than motor B and motor A making it up the hill but motor B not. Where torque matters most is getting up the hill from a stand still. As soon as the motor can rev sufficiently, power becomes more important. The good thing about electric motor is they produce max torque at zero RPM and wont stall.

[Shop mak]

Tricky question if it's legal or not. I drove through many checkpoints in Pattaya last year, never stopped.

If worried, traffic highway police in the area, would be the one to ask.

[eisfeld]

42 minutes ago, Shop mak said:

Tricky question if it's legal or not. I drove through many checkpoints in Pattaya last year, never stopped.

If worried, traffic highway police in the area, would be the one to ask.

Legality is really not a tricky question, it's quite clear. What many people confuse in Thailand is legal situation versus enforcement. In many areas police might not care at all. Same like they don't care in some places if people are wearing helmets on regular motorbikes or if they even have number plates. Heck even in many places in BKK police don't care if people drive the wrong way on the road. Doesn't change the fact that it's illegal to do so.

 

So, there is the question of legality and the question of "will I get in trouble". And the latter one is the tricky one because it varies on location without clear boundaries and changes over time.

[KhunLA]

22 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

So, there is the question of legality and the question of "will I get in trouble". And the latter one is the tricky one because it varies on location without clear boundaries and changes over time.

2 & 3 wheeled EVs (non standard MB style) seem to be ignored here, as I see plenty on a weekly basis.   They rarely enforce helmet law also.   Everyone seems to behave other wise, as yet to see a scooter accident or kids abusing the lax'd enforcement in over 5 yrs.  Kind of impressive actually.

 

If in a regular tourist area, or having lots of check points, I'd be concerned.

[Baht Simpson]

17 hours ago, KhunLA said:

@Baht Simpson

For comparison, the DECO replacement batteries go for about 17k, I think, on Shopee anyway.  But also 60v/20Ah.

 

My ebike (DIY) cost shy of 6k, and 48v/10Ah, and the 10Ah part is questionable, although it is powering a 1000w motor, so might be accurate.

 

My E-MB is 72v/50Ah, and powers a 3000w motor, and hope I don't need to replace that anytime soon ????  Buying one of their 1000w motorbikes might be cheaper ????

Thanks KhunLa. Your input has been very helpful.

 

I've been looking online and the Lulae V10 seems to fit the bill.  Under 20T, replacement batteries 4T, 600w, looks sturdy and will negotiate a 50 degree incline apparently. I'll look to buy locally and if not it looks like Shopee.

 

Regards. ????

 

[eisfeld]

33 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

will negotiate a 50 degree incline apparently

Forgive me if I politely doubt that one. Good luck even getting traction. For context: the steepest roads in the world have around 20 degree incline.

 

Edited March 7, 2023 by eisfeld

[Shop mak]

1 minute ago, eisfeld said:

Forgive me if I politely doubt that one. Good luck getting traction on that one.

 

 

Agree.

Couldn't get up Pratumnak Hill Pattaya with my former EV scooter, battery was full when I attempted this.

Advertised top speed and distance are often not possible in reality, just saying.

 

 

[CrunchWrapSupreme]

Bikes like in the OP are the hot ticket right now across Thailand. Two, count em two different shops, just opened a block away from each other in the changwat capital here. They're loaded up wall to wall with em. They're importing em by the container load from that land of fat pandas, and making a killing. There must be a good margin.

 

It's a bit similar to the "pocket bike" craze in the US about 20 years ago, small bikes similar to these, but with little gas engines. Soon the streets were full of em, and so the cops put an end to that charade. A friend of mine had to close his shop selling em. We'll see how that plays out here.

[KhunLA]

53 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

Thanks KhunLa. Your input has been very helpful.

 

I've been looking online and the Lulae V10 seems to fit the bill.  Under 20T, replacement batteries 4T, 600w, looks sturdy and will negotiate a 50 degree incline apparently. I'll look to buy locally and if not it looks like Shopee.

 

Regards. ????

 

I see the V10 listing at Global House, w/800w 48v20Ah motor/battery:

https://globalhouse.co.th/product/detail/162206102634?gclid=CjwKCAiA3pugBhAwEiwAWFzwdVHVCXtZwhsRfH9Y_Lt9WnF8-22viSaAgI_lN8iztJoiMa586p0xHBoCjzgQAvD_BwE

 

Lulae also has a 'flagship' store on LAZ, and V10 (500w motor) listed for 17,190 there:

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/lulae-v10-electric-rticycles-i535310300-s967848219.html?spm=a2o4m.10453683.0.0.12ad5916yq6xfj&search=store

 

Global House would be the better choice, as LAZ reviews were mixed, due to missing parts.  Rectified, but a hassle.

 

GH, have them assemble complete before accepting.  Plus 800w motor.

Edited March 7, 2023 by KhunLA

[Baht Simpson]

19 hours ago, eisfeld said:

Forgive me if I politely doubt that one. Good luck even getting traction. For context: the steepest roads in the world have around 20 degree incline.

 

• "- สามารถขี่ขึ้นเนินได้สูง 50 ํ  - Able to ride up hills up to 50 degrees"
• I think they must mean 50% or 23o. Still pushing credibility.  ????

[Shop mak]

Don't buy online.

Checklist:

Warranty time?.

Nearest service center? (None)

Ask seller what replacement parts he have in stock. These sellers have few or none at all. For example ask seller if you can order a new EV scooter with additional spare tyre and battery.

 

Flagship stores is actually useless when it comes to EV scooters warranty and spare parts - just ask the seller about his current stock. From my personal experience.

 

Buy from a shop near you, who can show what he have of spare parts.

Assembly took my motorcycle repair man 1 Hour, with lots of explicit words ...

 

Edited March 9, 2023 by Shop mak

[NHBOB]

Do the bike shops in Chiang Mai (or even Bangkok) sell and service the more 'high end' pedal assist road/gravel bikes?  NOT Scooters, electric motorcycles, skateboards and the other nonsensical contraptions this thread is steering towards.  I'm thinking of retiring itoChaing Mai.  That means I'm old, but I would still like to cycle to maintain some level of fitness.  And to be honest, a bit of electrical assistance would be nice!  The bikes below are at the higher end of the scale, but over the next few years we should see more and more of this technology trickle down to more affordable bikes and budgets.

 

Like these:

 

 

[Cricky]

10 minutes ago, NHBOB said:

Do the bike shops in Chiang Mai (or even Bangkok) sell and service the more 'high end' pedal assist road/gravel bikes?  NOT Scooters, electric motorcycles, skateboards and the other nonsensical contraptions this thread is steering towards.  I'm thinking of retiring itoChaing Mai.  That means I'm old, but I would still like to cycle to maintain some level of fitness.  And to be honest, a bit of electrical assistance would be nice!  The bikes below are at the higher end of the scale, but over the next few years we should see more and more of this technology trickle down to more affordable bikes and budgets.

 

Like these:

 

 

This is the one you want.. 

 

https://www.gasgas.com/en-be/e-bikes/g-enduro/g-enduro-1-0-2022.html

 

[NHBOB]

More interested in road/gravel bikes.

[NHBOB]

Not to mention most of the bicycle frames/components are made in Taiwan or China.  High end E-motors seem to be Japanese (Yamaha. Shimano) or Swiss German (Bosch another one that begins with M).  So there must be strong supply lines to Thailand.  My concern is long term ownership and the techs at the bike shops being able to work on them/obtain replacement parts.

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, NHBOB said:

Not to mention most of the bicycle frames/components are made in Taiwan or China.  High end E-motors seem to be Japanese (Yamaha. Shimano) or Swiss German (Bosch another one that begins with M).  So there must be strong supply lines to Thailand.  My concern is long term ownership and the techs at the bike shops being able to work on them/obtain replacement parts.

High end, really shouldn't need much servicing.  Quality electric motor will probably outlast us, and the battery, if babied will last also, and easily replaced, especially if name brand.  They've actually been around long enough, that if you buy quality, (not inexpensive) and take care of it, the battery, should fairly be care free.

 

Not much care really go wrong, battery/BMS, display.  Rest is regular bike maintenance, which I confess not to keep up on, on my DIY.   If I didn't kill mine yet, you should have no problem if spending a bit more, on higher end, branded components.

[Randell]

I thought this might be of interest. It's very well put together and a bit unique. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

 

[spidermike007]

Exercise extreme caution when driving an electric bike. Since they make little noise, people often cannot hear you coming. And drivers of these bikes often underestimate the speed and don't wear a good helmet which is beyond foolish. I know a few people who have suffered serious injuries while driving them. Treat them as a real motor vehicle, and drive with great care. 

[Sticky Rice Balls]

boy dont i feel like a loser.....still use my pedal power japanese bike daily...no batteries to worry about--reg fees--helmet etc.......AND ive lost weight and keeping my aging body moving!

 

call me crazy.......and i still have my honda dream if i need it.......though rarely use it in CM

 

 

 

 

[impulse]

Little late to the party, but since someone else has resurrected this thread, I really enjoyed my LA Bicycle brand E-Bike.  A little more expensive than most of the Chinese brands, but the quality was there, and it lasted 5 years before I moved away and left it to one of my co-workers.  At 7 speeds, it also made a decent pedal bicycle.  Plus, they have a much wider range of models nowadays.  And several shops around Bangkok and many other cities.  Mine never needed servicing or a replacement (Li-Ion) battery, but it was nice to know they were there.  My battery weighed probably 8 lb and it was easy to pull it out and carry it upstairs.

 

http://www.labicyclegroup.com/product-EN/2

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

boy dont i feel like a loser.....still use my pedal power japanese bike daily...no batteries to worry about--reg fees--helmet etc.......AND ive lost weight and keeping my aging body moving!

 

call me crazy.......and i still have my honda dream if i need it.......though rarely use it in CM

Actually ebikes have 3 modes; you pedal, assisted pedal, or full electric.

 

I always like pedaling a distance to somewhere, but hate the return trip.   Solved with assist of full electric.

 

Options are Great to have.

[Sticky Rice Balls]

On 10/6/2023 at 5:31 PM, KhunLA said:

Actually ebikes have 3 modes; you pedal, assisted pedal, or full electric.

 

I always like pedaling a distance to somewhere, but hate the return trip.   Solved with assist of full electric.

 

Options are Great to have.

options--agreed...my bike or motorbike--or my legs  trifecta!