Do you support "15 minute cities" in order to save the planet from man-made global warming?

[connda]

Will you support laws and regulations that will limit your personal movement to no more than a 15 minute drive from your place of residence in order to save the planet from man-made global warming?  Do you believe laws such as these that restrict personal movement are too strict or not strict enough.  Please feel free to elaborate on your decision and how it will effect you living here in Thailand.

[connda]

To whomever posted the "Laughing emoticon" to the question - what is funny about this?  It's a serious question and a very serious topic from multiple angles and reasons.  Changes are coming and we should civilly discuss them in an open and honest manner.

Edited March 22, 2023 by connda

[Red Phoenix]

The whole 'climate thing' is a total hoax, it should be called 'green-washing for profit'.

[h90]

7 minutes ago, connda said:

To whomever posted the "Laughing emoticon" to the question - what is funny about this?  It's a serious question and a very serious topic from multiple angles and reasons.  Changes are coming and we should civilly discuss them in an open and honest manner.

Discuss in an open/honest matter if it is the best to put the normal people in an open sky jail? Seriously? If that comes I immigrate to North Korea because they have more freedom than that.

[h90]

1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said:

The whole 'climate thing' is a total hoax, it should be called 'green-washing for profit'.

And the easiest proof is that people who promote it, by themself a house direct on the beach, don't worry themself about the rising sea levels.

[owl sees all]

I blame Ms Greta and the sun.

[gomangosteen]

Not planned that way, but we live in what would qualify as a 15-minute town

Approx 9000 people, 15km away in Chanthaburi city but if one chose, could get by comfortably here with minimal need to go to the city.

We have all this, could cycle anywhere in town in ten minutes.

And no bar or licensed cafe - perfect for some.

 

[chickenslegs]

I would support efforts to reduce my need to travel far from home (for example, not having to go to Bangkok twice to renew my passport), but laws and regulations to restrict my movements - never.

[connda]

21 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:

I would support efforts to reduce my need to travel far from home (for example, not having to go to Bangkok twice to renew my passport), but laws and regulations to restrict my movements - never.

It makes me wonder if Thai immigration will get with the program if the Thai government implements travel restrictions.  Knowing Thailand (TIT), they probably would insist you travel 100km to your "nearest" Immigration office, and then issue you a fine for traveling outside of your "zone."  ????  Hummm.

[Callmeishmael]

Regardless of how many people deny it, climate change is real and the billions of tons of fossil fuel that we burn every year is contributing to it.  Difficult choices will have to be made in the not-too-distant future: do I continue driving my SUV and watch the numbers of hurricanes and droughts increase?  or do I sweat my way through the tropical heat and humidity to work on a bicycle?

 

I would oppose a law mandating the above, but I would support urban planning and zoning and tax structures that would encourage people to live/work/learn in a local area.

 

[Tippaporn]

2 hours ago, connda said:

To whomever posted the "Laughing emoticon" to the question - what is funny about this?  It's a serious question and a very serious topic from multiple angles and reasons.  Changes are coming and we should civilly discuss them in an open and honest manner.

How does one discuss ludicrous ideas in a civil, open and honest manner?  "Are you in favour of restricting your freedoms in order to deal with a fictitious problem?"

What's to discuss?  Except perhaps how to put an end to the madness which seems to afflict so many.

[Tippaporn]

22 minutes ago, Callmeishmael said:

Regardless of how many people deny it, climate change is real and the billions of tons of fossil fuel that we burn every year is contributing to it.  Difficult choices will have to be made in the not-too-distant future: do I continue driving my SUV and watch the numbers of hurricanes and droughts increase?  or do I sweat my way through the tropical heat and humidity to work on a bicycle?

 

I would oppose a law mandating the above, but I would support urban planning and zoning and tax structures that would encourage people to live/work/learn in a local area.

 

I'm not quite in favour of social engineering by some of the worst qualified people in the world who want to control every aspect of my life.  But hey, that's just me.  Anyone who wants to freely walk into a jail cell is free to do so.  I'd think a bit deeper before making that choice.

Watch for the multitude of unintended consequences soon to develop.  All bad ideas produce one guaranteed result . . . problems.  Lots and lots of them.

[huangnon]

The next "Lockdowns" are coming. Maybe the Covid pandemic was just a 'trial run' to get us used to being imprisoned in our own homes?

 

People actually voting for personal restrictions to be imposed on themselves and their families... The turkeys that just keep voting for Christmas.? ????

 

 

 

 

[Ralf001]

Is the goverment going to fund my relocation to a house that does not exist within a 15min drive from work ?

 

How about other supporting infrastructure like hospitals/schools/shopping etc etc.

 

[Ralf001]

3 minutes ago, huangnon said:

The next "Lockdowns" are coming. Maybe the Covid pandemic was just a 'trial run' to get us used to being imprisoned in our own homes?

 

People actually voting for personal restrictions to be imposed on themselves and their families... The turkeys that just keep voting for Christmas.? ????

 

 

 

 

Any facts you can link to the "next lockdowns coming" ?

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

Any facts you can link to the "next lockdowns coming" ?

The writing is all over the wall.  One just needs to read it.  One can, however, choose to ignore it.  And pretend that the people seeing what they clearly see are making it all up.  Don't trust your lyin' eyes would then be the advice given by those who can't see the obvious.

[Keep Right]

4 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Any facts you can link to the "next lockdowns coming" ?

How about lock outs where citizens are prevented from using natural gas stoves in cities such as San Francisco. Or where citizens are shut out of purchasing new gas fueled vehicles by government mandates.

[Ralf001]

4 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

How about lock outs where citizens are prevented from using natural gas stoves in cities such as San Francisco. Or where citizens are shut out of purchasing new gas fueled vehicles by government mandates.

To be honest the care factor for natural gas usage in the USA rates very low on my list of things that concern me.

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

To be honest the care factor for natural gas usage in the USA rates very low on my list of things that concern me.

I thought you asked for examples of the next "lockdowns?"  You were given a few.  Granted, they weren't identical to Covid lockdowns but the flavour is all the same.  Restrictions and controlling the aspects of one's life.  So what to do?  Dismiss them as they're not high on your list!  Brilliant way of not having to answer when evidence is given.

[Keep Right]

During the Miocene Epoch, 23.03 to 5.3 million years ago, the earth had higher readings of carbon dioxide and the earth was warmer than today according to scientists. Of course, this was before man even populated the earth. So what caused the earth to cool later and the carbon dioxide levels to drop???

 

Answer: The advent of the 15 minute city.     NOT

[Ralf001]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I thought you asked for examples of the next "lockdowns?"  You were given a few.  Granted, they weren't identical to Covid lockdowns but the flavour is all the same.  Restrictions and controlling the aspects of one's life.  So what to do?  Dismiss them as they're not high on your list!  Brilliant way of not having to answer when evidence is given.

yeah my question was more leaning towards lockdowns that actually impact myself personally.

 

what happens outside my bubble i give no <deleted> about.

[Tippaporn]

6 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

During the Miocene Epoch, 23.03 to 5.3 million years ago, the earth had higher readings of carbon dioxide and the earth was warmer than today according to scientists. Of course, this was before man even populated the earth. So what caused the earth to cool later and the carbon dioxide levels to drop???

 

Answer: The advent of the 15 minute city.     NOT

Inconvenient facts.

[Tippaporn]

7 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

yeah my question was more leaning towards lockdowns that actually impact myself personally.

 

what happens outside my bubble i give no <deleted> about.

But what about your values?  Do your values kick in only when they personally affect you?

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

But what about your values?  Do your values kick in only when they personally affect you?

mostly yes... certainly not for some gas shortage in the United States of Whatever.

[Tippaporn]

11 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

mostly yes... certainly not for some gas shortage in the United States of Whatever.

Then it sounds like you stand for nothing except yourself.  I thought this topic was about making personal sacrifices and changing the way one lives for the lofty goal of saving the planet?  One needs to have values that then serve to preclude any negative personal affectations.

[BritManToo]

4 hours ago, connda said:

Do you believe laws such as these that restrict personal movement are too strict or not strict enough.  Please feel free to elaborate on your decision and how it will effect you living here in Thailand.

Only if Greta, Al Gore and all the other self important people are subject to the same law!

[Tippaporn]

2 hours ago, gomangosteen said:

Not planned that way, but we live in what would qualify as a 15-minute town

Approx 9000 people, 15km away in Chanthaburi city but if one chose, could get by comfortably here with minimal need to go to the city.

We have all this, could cycle anywhere in town in ten minutes.

And no bar or licensed cafe - perfect for some.

 

Wow!  That's exactly how I've envisioned heaven all my life! 

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Only if Greta, Al Gore and all the other self important people are subject to the same law!

Rules for me and rules for thee.  I believe that's how the game is played.  But as long as we're doing our part we, at least, can claim the moral high ground.  That feels satisfying and makes our efforts worth it.  I'll do anything . . . eat bugs and fake meat for the rest of my life . . . I don't care.  At least I can feel good about myself for having helped save the planet in my small way.

<sarc>

[owl sees all]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

I'm not quite in favour of social engineering by some of the worst qualified people in the world who want to control every aspect of my life.

Highly qualified and non qualified both.

 

It is we the people that have the power to change things before it is too late. Leave the decisions tho the 'white coated' - know everything - bods, and we are in big trouble.

 

Humans get of your knees!

Edited March 22, 2023 by owl sees all

[Ralf001]

22 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Then it sounds like you stand for nothing except yourself.  I thought this topic was about making personal sacrifices and changing the way one lives for the lofty goal of saving the planet?  One needs to have values that then serve to preclude any negative personal affectations.

Happy to restrict myself to a 15min drive if mandated by the government but they will have to build a lot of infrastructure to make the idea feasible.