8 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Did Trump close your eyes to what he was doing and did....you must have been asleep during his 4 years.

All of America has been wide awake for the last 2 years but all they see is more pain each and everyday.

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

Trump put a end to this crazy deal Obama made because it was going nowhere. And look at Iran now, days away from having the nukes. <Snip>

Exactly. Trump ended the deal and now they're days away from having nukes.

1 hour ago, The Old Bull said:

The US are surely a pox on the earth, why don't they just go home.

Sorta like the British when they decided the new colonies were just an extension of Britain and the King demanded taxes or else....or wait was it like when the British colonized India and so on and so on

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Exactly. Trump ended the deal and now they're days away from having nukes.

Trumps issue which he caused just like the debacle in Afghanistan when he mandated the release of Taliban and so on...

35 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Trumps issue which he caused just like the debacle in Afghanistan when he mandated the release of Taliban and so on...

That was a prisoner exchange where the Taliban also released prisoners in a peace deal between the two warring factions , the peace process came to an end when  Trump left his job as POTUS 

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yeah , Trump destroyed that close loving relationship the USA and Iran had prior to him being President................................... 

Trump broke the agreement that was restricting Iran's nuclear program, and showed the world that agreements with the US could not be counted on from one President to the next.  That wasn't the case before Trump.

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Relations of much of the world are better? What??

 

 Trump was a master at negotiating with America's enemies and ending the spats that existed for generations. Do you not remember when he walked with Kim across the Korean border like old friends? You may have been busy with the online bullying and mass pile on with the "he'll be in jail tomorrow" narrative that the MSM were going all in with at the time - likely trying to distract from and diminish his accomplishments. But it was an absolutely incredible achievement - worthy of a dozen Nobel peace prizes. And the Middle east, their export ISIS seemingly about to conquer Europe. How many days after Trump's Presidency started did we stop hearing about those thugs?

 Now we are teetering on the precipice of a nuclear world war 3. War with Russia is not an achievement! I think you will also remember when you guys spent years accusing peace-monger Trump of probably starting World War 3. How did that work out for you?

ISIS was in full retreat when Trump took office, Trump took credit for the work started by Obama.

 

Trump rewarded Kim for his belligerence.  After that things went back to the unpleasant normal that has long existed between North Korea and the US.

 

Right, peace-mongering Trump.  He was a regular Neville Chamberlain.

12 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That was a prisoner exchange where the Taliban also released prisoners in a peace deal between the two warring factions , the peace process came to an end when  Trump left his job as POTUS 

You confirmed what I just posted:  Before Trump when the US entered into an agreement with another country it was of indefinite duration.  Because of Trump the world considers any promise made by America to be subject to change after each election.  That is not good.

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

ISIS was in full retreat when Trump took office, Trump took credit for the work started by Obama.

 

Trump rewarded Kim for his belligerence.  After that things went back to the unpleasant normal that has long existed between North Korea and the US.

 

Right, peace-mongering Trump.  He was a regular Neville Chamberlain.

I don’t think mr chamberlain was an imbecile like trump just grossly naive it certainly set the stage for hitler just as trump gave Putin confidence he could get away with Ukraine by trying to destroy nato or abandoning the Kurds in Syria (the folks that did the majority of the fighting of isis)we are still paying the price for the trump debacle 

15 minutes ago, heybruce said:

ISIS was in full retreat when Trump took office, Trump took credit for the work started by Obama.

 

Trump rewarded Kim for his belligerence.  After that things went back to the unpleasant normal that has long existed between North Korea and the US.

 

Right, peace-mongering Trump.  He was a regular Neville Chamberlain.

"ISIS was in full retreat when Trump took office, Trump took credit for the work started by Obama."

 

Fact check. False and misleading.

 

"As Obama’s presidency concludes, it’s clearer than ever he’ll depart the White House with Syrians facing nearly unyielding misery.

The city of Aleppo has become a nightmare for the tens of thousands of Syrians still living there, short on food and medical supplies as cold winter weather sets in. The conflict has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths, spurred a destabilizing refugee crisis in Europe, and led to the rise of a terror group that Obama admits he didn’t see coming."

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/07/politics/isis-surprise-obama/index.html

 

Hardly sounds like the success story you claim does it?

 

 

23 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Trump broke the agreement that was restricting Iran's nuclear program, and showed the world that agreements with the US could not be counted on from one President to the next.  That wasn't the case before Trump.

"America Can’t Be Trusted Anymore

It's hard to be powerful when nobody believes a word you say.

Even before Deceitful Donald showed up, the United States had amassed a pretty good record of reneging on promises and commitments. At a minimum, Washington cannot claim any particular virtue or trustworthiness in its dealings with others. In the unipolar era, in fact, the United States repeatedly did things it had promised not to do."

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/10/america-cant-be-trusted-anymore/

 

Contrary to your false claim. America has not been trusted on the world stage for a long time, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.

54 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"ISIS was in full retreat when Trump took office, Trump took credit for the work started by Obama."

 

Fact check. False and misleading.

 

"As Obama’s presidency concludes, it’s clearer than ever he’ll depart the White House with Syrians facing nearly unyielding misery.

The city of Aleppo has become a nightmare for the tens of thousands of Syrians still living there, short on food and medical supplies as cold winter weather sets in. The conflict has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths, spurred a destabilizing refugee crisis in Europe, and led to the rise of a terror group that Obama admits he didn’t see coming."

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/07/politics/isis-surprise-obama/index.html

 

Hardly sounds like the success story you claim does it?

 

 

My comment was about ISIS, as was your post I replied to.  ISIS was in full retreat.  Syria remained a mess, something no on has been able to fix.

 

From your source:

 

"The US, along with a 60-nation coalition, has been pounding the group with airstrikes for more than two years, and US special operators have worked to train and assist Iraqi Security Forces and vetted rebel groups in Syria."

"The efforts have squeezed ISIS on the battlefield, reducing its territory and taking out key figures in its leadership. A campaign to retake Mosul, the group’s base in Iraq, is making progress."

 

Edited March 26, 20233 yr by heybruce

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"America Can’t Be Trusted Anymore

It's hard to be powerful when nobody believes a word you say.

Even before Deceitful Donald showed up, the United States had amassed a pretty good record of reneging on promises and commitments. At a minimum, Washington cannot claim any particular virtue or trustworthiness in its dealings with others. In the unipolar era, in fact, the United States repeatedly did things it had promised not to do."

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/10/america-cant-be-trusted-anymore/

 

Contrary to your false claim. America has not been trusted on the world stage for a long time, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.

Your link is sometimes in error (Gorbachev himself confirmed there was no promise not to expand NATO), refers to a gold standard that no longer served its purpose, addresses a support role the US took in the Libyan affair, etc. 

 

I am aware of no other time in US history has one President so suddenly and irresponsibly abrogated an agreement like Trump did with the Iran Nuclear Agreement.

Edited March 26, 20233 yr by heybruce

3 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Trump put a end to this crazy deal Obama made because it was going nowhere. And look at Iran now, days away from having the nukes. Some countries you just can't trust with deals. Like the Russian USA, UK deal, when Ukraine gave it's nukes to Russia not to invade Ukraine? Down the same rabbit hole. 

Thanks for the falsehood. Do you have any use at all for reality? Unless, of course what you mean by "going nowhere" is that the agreement effectively resulted in a halt to Iran's development of nuclear weapons. In fact, even Israeli intelligence sources believed it was effective and leaving it was a mistake:

 

TOP ISRAELI SECURITY EXPERTS AGREE — WITHDRAWING FROM THE JCPOA NUCLEAR AGREEMENT HAS BEEN A TOTAL FAILURE

https://jstreet.org/top-israeli-security-experts-agree-withdrawing-from-jcpoa-has-been-a-total-failure/

38 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Your link is sometimes in error (Gorbachev himself confirmed there was no promise not to expand NATO), refers to a gold standard that no longer served its purpose, addresses a support role the US took in the Libyan affair, etc. 

 

I am aware of no other time in US history has one President so suddenly and irresponsibly abrogated an agreement like Trump did with the Iran Nuclear Agreement.

It isn't just that. He effectively made it impossible for other nations to conduct trade with Iraq by threatening to cut them out of the SWIFT banking system if they did so. So the agreement yielded virtually no benefits for the Iranians.

14 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Russia or Iran

Iran ayatollahs regime was born more than 40 years ago as a solution (mostly oil price that was raised by king of Iran and UK could not stand with) for political situation in Middle East. It was signed by president Carter and cooperation of France and UK. As soon as the ayatollah took control of Iran by support of president Carter the war that was already planed began between Iran and Iraq. 

6 minutes ago, The Theory said:

Iran ayatollahs regime was born more than 40 years ago as a solution (mostly oil price that was raised by king of Iran and UK could not stand with) for political situation in Middle East. It was signed by president Carter and cooperation of France and UK. As soon as the ayatollah took control of Iran by support of president Carter the war that was already planed began between Iran and Iraq. 

Lots of nonsense here. The only thing that might be correct is your last pointbut I don't think in the way you meant it. It was Iraq that launched a surprise war against Iran.

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Lots of nonsense here. The only thing that might be correct is your last pointbut

You are absolutely right. ???? 

17 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Maybe he should pick a different country other than Iran as he has already let them go nuclear or soon to be.

No he didn't.

 

That was your hero Trump and nobody else. After all who pulled the USA away from the deal?

 

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-iran-nuclear-deal

 

Summary

Signed in 2015 by Iran and several world powers, including the United States, the JCPOA placed significant restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief.

 

President Trump withdrew the United States from the deal in 2018, claiming it failed to curtail Iran’s missile program and regional influence. Iran began ignoring limitations on its nuclear program a year later.

 

Washington and Tehran have both said they would return to the original deal but they disagree on the steps to get there.

17 hours ago, vandeventer said:

What are you smoking? Biden sent us on this path to where they get the nukes. Biden has done so many things wrong since he has been in power, why can't you guys see this?

Why don't you provide the proof of what you say?

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Why don't you provide the proof of what you say?

The proof is the deal doesn't work with these people. If Biden did what Trump did they would not have nukes very soon.

1 minute ago, vandeventer said:

The proof is the deal doesn't work with these people. If Biden did what Trump did they would not have nukes very soon.

So where is your verifiable proof? Or do you have none as usual?

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

So where is your verifiable proof? Or do you have none as usual?

You are wasting your time trying to argue with a brick wall!

(apologies to actual brick walls)

9 hours ago, vandeventer said:

All of America has been wide awake for the last 2 years but all they see is more pain each and everyday.

Pain your hero Trump keeps causing....

31 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

The proof is the deal doesn't work with these people. If Biden did what Trump did they would not have nukes very soon.

What was Trump doing to stop Iran from having nuclear weapons? Releasing them the restraints stipulated in the agreement was how he was keeping from from acquiring nuclear weapons? In fact, Trump's withdrawal from the agreement, re-unleashed Iran's nuclear weapons program.

33 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

The proof is the deal doesn't work with these people. If Biden did what Trump did they would not have nukes very soon.

Actually, the proof is that deals don't work when Trump represents the United States. No other signatory had a problem with that deal. It was Trump who trashed it. And Iran accelerated its nuclearweapons program after Trump withdrew from the agreement. Stop making things up.

30 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What was Trump doing to stop Iran from having nuclear weapons? Releasing them the restraints stipulated in the agreement was how he was keeping from from acquiring nuclear weapons? In fact, Trump's withdrawal from the agreement, re-unleashed Iran's nuclear weapons program.

Sanctions on sanctions no money no nukes. Why does everyone have to spell it out to you guys?

5 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Sanctions on sanctions no money no nukes. Why does everyone have to spell it out to you guys?

Iran is still under those very same sanctions. And yet it is still managing to produce more and more highly enriched uranium.. Do you have any use for facts at all?

10 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Sanctions on sanctions no money no nukes. Why does everyone have to spell it out to you guys?

Are you telling us North Korea is awash with money?

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Iran is still under those very same sanctions. And yet it is still managing to produce more and more highly enriched uranium.. Do you have any use for facts at all?

This might help?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-administration-lifts-sanctions-on-more-than-dozen-former-iranian-officials-energy-firms-11623347091