webfact Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Humza Yousaf told his party now it is time for the SNP to come together and deliver independence By Stuart Nicolson BBC Scotland News Humza Yousaf is to succeed Nicola Sturgeon as SNP leader and Scotland's first minister after a vote of party members. Mr Yousaf defeated rivals Kate Forbes and Ash Regan in a leadership contest that exposed deep divisions within the party. The 37-year-old is the first Muslim to lead a major UK party. Full story: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-65086551 -- © Copyright BBC 2023-03-28 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RuamRudy Posted March 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2023 As pointed out elsewhere, if Humza was to lead us to independence, it would be somewhat ironic if a Muslim Scot of Pakistani descent was to negotiate the separation of the UK with a Hindu Englishman of Indian heritage 1 2 1 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post James105 Posted March 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 hours ago, RuamRudy said: As pointed out elsewhere, if Humza was to lead us to independence, it would be somewhat ironic if a Muslim Scot of Pakistani descent was to negotiate the separation of the UK with a Hindu Englishman of Indian heritage Independence? This guy has failed at everything he has touched. The union has not looked more secure since the act of union in 1707. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, James105 said: Independence? This guy has failed at everything he has touched. The union has not looked more secure since the act of union in 1707. The SNP is not independence and is not the independence movement. If you genuinely believe that these times are the pinnacle of union strength then you must be living in a cave. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post James105 Posted March 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said: The SNP is not independence and is not the independence movement. If you genuinely believe that these times are the pinnacle of union strength then you must be living in a cave. Yet you brought up independence in literally the first line of your post.... 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 4 hours ago, RuamRudy said: As pointed out elsewhere, if Humza was to lead us to independence, it would be somewhat ironic if a Muslim Scot of Pakistani descent was to negotiate the separation of the UK with a Hindu Englishman of Indian heritage It won't happen, the SNP has been shown to be a disgrace in recent months. A nobody now takes control, good news for the UK....???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RuamRudy Posted March 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, James105 said: Yet you brought up independence in literally the first line of your post.... The SNP is pushing for independence but they are not the only organisation pursuing it. To suggest that Humza Yousef's election as leader means that independence is not going to happen just means that you have failed to grasp the wider movement. Then again, you think that the union is more secure now than it has ever been before,# so I think your grasp of Scottish sentiment or Scottish politics are not your strongest suits. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RuamRudy Posted March 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, transam said: It won't happen, the SNP has been shown to be a disgrace in recent months. A nobody now takes control, good news for the UK....???? A nobody to those have no idea about Scottish politics... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 4 hours ago, RuamRudy said: As pointed out elsewhere, if Humza was to lead us to independence, it would be somewhat ironic if a Muslim Scot of Pakistani descent was to negotiate the separation of the UK with a Hindu Englishman of Indian heritage Wonder whether it will be the same as the partition of India/Pakistan with about 1 million people dying and English and Scots fighting and killing each other as they scramble to their owm sides of the border 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Wonder whether it will be the same as the partition of India/Pakistan with about 1 million people dying and English and Scots fighting and killing each other as they scramble to their owm sides of the border I think that the religious fervour is a little less of a concern in either country - plus let's hope that the grasping, thieving days of empire are well and truly in the past. All we need returned is the area of Scottish waters annexed by Blair in '99 and things will be tickety boo, I am sure. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just now need a Bangladeshi to take charge of Wales . Maybe that could solve the Shamima Begun issue ? Bring her back to lead Wales ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Unless there are some under 30s posting here, talking about Scottish independence is inane as no one will see it in their life time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RuamRudy Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I cannot , ask for it to be deleted if you want I am more interested in understanding its provenance rather than upholding forum rules. Surely you know where you copied it from? That said, the spelling mistakes makes me think it is a blog rather than a news or academic - plus it is referring to the boundary defined by the Civil Jurisdiction (Offshore Activities) Act 1987 rather than the amendment made in '99. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 27 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Just now need a Bangladeshi to take charge of Wales . Maybe that could solve the Shamima Begun issue ? Bring her back to lead Wales ? We have a Scotsman in charge of Scotland and an Englishman in charge of the UK. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said: I am more interested in understanding its provenance rather than upholding forum rules. Surely you know where you copied it from? That said, the spelling mistakes makes me think it is a blog rather than a news or academic - plus it is referring to the boundary defined by the Civil Jurisdiction (Offshore Activities) Act 1987 rather than the amendment made in '99. Its been deleted now, so nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said: We have a Scotsman in charge of Scotland and an Englishman in charge of the UK. Previously there were Scottish people in charge of the U.K Does it really matter where a person comes from ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Previously there were Scottish people in charge of the U.K Does it really matter where a person comes from ? Absolutely not - but you made a comment about a Bangladeshi taking control of Wales. Forgive me if I incorrectly inferred that you were suggesting that Humza was Pakistani or Sunak was Indian, but I can't really see any other reason you would make such a comment. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Previously there were Scottish people in charge of the U.K Does it really matter where a person comes from ? No, as they are all from the UK. As they will be for many generations to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, RuamRudy said: Absolutely not - but you made a comment about a Bangladeshi taking control of Wales. Forgive me if I incorrectly inferred that you were suggesting that Humza was Pakistani or Sunak was Indian, but I can't really see any other reason you would make such a comment. Let me explain Humza is of Pakistani descent Sunak is of Indian descent Both India and Pakistan were one united Country pre inference Begun is of Bangladeshi descent Bangladesh was also part of the India/Pakistan/Bangladesh untied country before partition . So England , Scotland and Wales all having leaders from the old India 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: No, as they are all from the UK. As they will be for many generations to come. If that is to be the case then some fundamental changes need to happen. Brexit, for a start, is hated across all Scotland, and the effect on Scotland has been more extreme than most other areas of the UK. Labour offers no remedy for the situation we have been placed in. The prospect of an independent Scotland joining the EU is much more appealing to many, than to remain a stubborn limb of a sinking state. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RuamRudy Posted March 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Let me explain Humza is of Pakistani descent Sunak is of Indian descent Both India and Pakistan were one united Country pre inference Begun is of Bangladeshi descent Bangladesh was also part of the India/Pakistan/Bangladesh untied country before partition . So England , Scotland and Wales all having leaders from the old India You can try to explain all you like - but that was as tortured as it was contrived. I think I know what you were really inferring. You see, Sunak was born in Southampton and Yousaf in Glasgow. They are as British as you and me. 1 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 minute ago, RuamRudy said: You can try to explain all you like - but that was as tortured as it was contrived. I think I know what you were really inferring. You see, Sunak was born in Southampton and Yousaf in Glasgow. They are as British as you and me. I am not suggesting otherwise . Are you denying their heritage ? They are all British with Indian heritage I do hope that you aren't trying to cancel their heritage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, RuamRudy said: A nobody to those have no idea about Scottish politics... I am related to James Vl, ooops,sorry, James l...... .....???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I am not suggesting otherwise . Are you denying their heritage ? They are all British with Indian heritage I do hope that you aren't trying to cancel their heritage Absolutely not - in fact I referenced it in my first post. What I did not write about, however, was an Indian and a Pakistani negotiating the break up of the UK - because they are both British. That is why I picked up on your suggestion that a Bangladeshi should lead Wales. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said: Absolutely not - in fact I referenced it in my first post. What I did not write about, however, was an Indian and a Pakistani negotiating the break up of the UK - because they are both British. That is why I picked up on your suggestion that a Bangladeshi should lead Wales. No one has said that they are an Indian or a Pakistani . You need to wait for someone to say that they are Indian/Pakistani. before you play that card . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just now, Mac Mickmanus said: No one has said that they are an Indian or a Pakistani . You need to wait for someone to say that they are Indian/Pakistani. before you play that card . So where is the relevance of this? 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Just now need a Bangladeshi to take charge of Wales . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just now, RuamRudy said: So where is the relevance of this? Its rather complex and I don't really have time to explain about colonialism and the partition of India into three different Countries in 1948. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, RuamRudy said: You can try to explain all you like - but that was as tortured as it was contrived. I think I know what you were really inferring. You see, Sunak was born in Southampton and Yousaf in Glasgow. They are as British as you and me. I thought they were brought up in the way of their foreign born parents, I mean, Sunak wears some stuff on his wrist, and furnished No.10 wiv Indian style stuff. Now to me that comes from his family country roots... On top of that, Sady Khan is doing his best to p_ss off Londoners...???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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