NY grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump, sources tell CNN

[billd766]

4 hours ago, CharlieKo said:

Corruption.

Of course you have the proof of President Biden's corruption, which you are willing to send to the courts, the GOP and share with us here as well.

 

After all you only need proof to do that, and you do have that proof, don't you?

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

I'm quite sure there are many that will disagree about Biden doing no such thing. 

But that does not make them right, though.

[Bkk Brian]

Prosecutors questioned witnesses about alleged hush money payment to a second woman

Two sources familiar with the Manhattan grand jury’s work say prosecutors also questioned some witnesses about a previous alleged hush money payment in 2016 involving Trump, this one to former playboy playmate Karen McDougal.

[Bangkok Barry]

27 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

51 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

You think he's innocent of all charges even before anything has been heard in court? Or do you think that as he's a politician he should be above the law? THAT would be 3rd world tactics.

Yes third world countries like Thailand arrest and prosecute there former leaders, He'll even France has...

You completely ignored the inconvenient questions I raised. Funny.

[Tug]

Well I’ve read the entire thread guess democracy is a bit messy but some how we come up with a solution in the end.obviously the payoff to the porn queen (yeiks)!is just the tip of the iceberg .all the charges will be known In due time .personally I’m glad that trump is finally being held accountable that’s good news for democracy in my humble opinion + we have much much more serious indictments coming (docs Georgia the attempted coup) I sincerely hope this man sees serious prison time he richly deserves it 

[onthedarkside]

UPDATE: After Trump indictment, Manhattan DA warns GOP allies against ‘baseless and inflammatory’ attacks

 

The day after his historic indictment of Donald Trump, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg warned the former president’s House Republican allies to refrain from “unlawful political interference” with the criminal process.

 

“Yesterday, the District Attorney of New York County filed charges against Donald Trump for violations of New York law,” the DA’s office General Counsel Leslie Dubeck wrote in a 6-page letter, adding in a footnote that Trump is presumed innocent of those charges until a jury finds otherwise.

 

“The charges filed yesterday were brought by citizens of New York, doing their civic duty as members of a grand jury, who found probable cause to accuse Mr. Trump of having committed crimes in New York.”

 

https://lawandcrime.com/trump/after-trump-indictment-manhattan-da-warns-gop-allies-against-baseless-and-inflammatory-attacks/

 

[onthedarkside]

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[darksidedog]

A jury will ultimately decide if the charges are warranted.

The time for declaring these charges are political will come after their verdict.

Anything postured before is simply theorizing and attempting to influence public thinking.

Personally, I "think" he is probably guilty, of this and much more, but will sit back and allow the evidence to speak for itself.

I sometimes wonder though how many times his supporters will see the light right in front of them and still not see it.

With half of them he could forcibly sodomize the Pope, and if not struck down by lightning on the spot, consider the Pope was secretly funding the Democrats and therefore deserved it. Tucker Carlson could present that one well.

Blindness is not only due to sight, but blocking things you don't like out of what might actually be reality.

Don't see him going to jail on any of the charges.

Can't see him getting within 20 million votes of the winning post in a general election if Republicans are dumb enough to stick him forward though

Landslide slaughter across the houses..

God help us all if that is the best the party can find.

DeSantis is distasteful and out of touch with reality, but he doesn't seem to have as many skeletons in the closet as Don.

Gotta hope the Republicans can get their act together before they get whooped worse than Rodney King.

 

Edited March 31, 2023 by darksidedog

[Credo]

Trump has run roughshod over the legal system for far, far too long.  It is time his lawlessness is challenged.   The word unprecedented is used, and it's not exactly true.    Here's a little about what happened to John Edwards during his campaign:

 

On May 24, 2011, ABC News and the New York Times reported that the U.S Department of Justice's Public Integrity Section had conducted a two-year investigation into whether Edwards had used more than $1 million in political donations to hide his affair and planned to pursue criminal charges for alleged violations of campaign finance laws.^{[120][121][122]}

On June 3, 2011, Edwards was indicted by a federal grand jury in North Carolina on six felony charges, including four counts of collecting illegal campaign contributions, one count of conspiracy, and one count of making false statements.^[123]

 

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards}

 

 

 

 

[eisfeld]

50 minutes ago, Credo said:

The word unprecedented is used, and it's not exactly true. 

The word unprecendented was refering to a sitting or former president being indicted of a crime and not the charges themselves. Of course other people have been indicted and convicted for similar things.

[bendejo]

Just another guy from Queens*

https://queenseagle.com/all/2023/3/30/queens-man-indicted

 

*Queens is a section of New York City, birthplace of all members of The Ramones, and possibly this guy

 

[dotcalm]

How Trump could reap $100M windfall from Stormy Daniels indictment

https://nypost.com/2023/03/31/trump-could-reap-100m-windfall-from-stormy-daniels-indictment

 

The left, always a day late and two or more steps behind.

I believe Trump is loving this.

[still kicking]

Trump ‘shocked’ by long list of charges

Donald Trump indictment: Former president was shocked, attorney says | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

[dotcalm]

16 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Can someone point out to Trump that charges against him are nothing to do with politics, but with his alleged criminal activity. He doesn't appear to understand that.

So why did FEC, SDNY US attorney, Mueller Spec counsel, DOJ, and Bragg himself all pass on prosecuting this in 2018 but decided to proceed after Trump announced his 2024 campaign and his polls started rising? Political assault on a presidential candidate equating to election interference. Bring it on.

[riclag]

3 hours ago, darksidedog said:

A jury will ultimately decide if the charges are warranted.

The time for declaring these charges are political will come after their verdict.

Anything postured before is simply theorizing and attempting to influence public thinking.

Personally, I "think" he is probably guilty, of this and much more, but will sit back and allow the evidence to speak for itself.

I sometimes wonder though how many times his supporters will see the light right in front of them and still not see it.

With half of them he could forcibly sodomize the Pope, and if not struck down by lightning on the spot, consider the Pope was secretly funding the Democrats and therefore deserved it. Tucker Carlson could present that one well.

Blindness is not only due to sight, but blocking things you don't like out of what might actually be reality.

Don't see him going to jail on any of the charges.

Can't see him getting within 20 million votes of the winning post in a general election if Republicans are dumb enough to stick him forward though

Landslide slaughter across the houses..

God help us all if that is the best the party can find.

DeSantis is distasteful and out of touch with reality, but he doesn't seem to have as many skeletons in the closet as Don.

Gotta hope the Republicans can get their act together before they get whooped worse than Rodney King.

 

You said: I sometimes wonder though how many times his supporters will see the light right in front of them and still not see it.

I cant speak for all of his supporters but judging from many of the conservative sites and the last two weeks of experts discussing bragg

/ danials with all of its failed past attempts , federally and locally ( NYSD) to get Trump on the NDA charge,many supporters will never see the light or accept a dem elected official/ prosecutor from a heavily democrat infested jurisdiction and his sponsors attempt to take down the opposition leader  through political persecution imop

I anticipated the worse case scenario ( formal criminal accusations)in the NYSD court only because of the ham sandwich rule so often discussed by legal experts such as Turley and Dershowitz.

I Being a American Independent voter who once voted in 2008 for Obama want to support the republic and the Constitution through the political process by choosing and helping finance a candidate like Trump   who opposes the radical lefts agenda.  I expect appeals and final conclusions to be decided by a higher court.Oh by the way,Ron DeSantas is a Paul Ryan sycophant imop

https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/andrew-cuomo-blasts-alvin-bragg-probe-of-trump/

 

 

Edited March 31, 2023 by riclag

[talahtnut]

The case has been thown out of the Federal Court, and

will go to a minor court.

This pathetic democrat attempt to foil Trump will

provide an election landslide for Trump.

[Scott]

Posts from unapproved sources have been reported and removed.  

 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

You said: I sometimes wonder though how many times his supporters will see the light right in front of them and still not see it.

I cant speak for all of his supporters but judging from many of the conservative sites and the last two weeks of experts discussing bragg

/ danials with all of its failed past attempts , federally and locally ( NYSD) to get Trump on the NDA charge,many supporters will never see the light or accept a dem elected official/ prosecutor from a heavily democrat infested jurisdiction and his sponsors attempt to take down the opposition leader  through political persecution imop

I anticipated the worse case scenario ( formal criminal accusations)in the NYSD court only because of the ham sandwich rule so often discussed by legal experts such as Turley and Dershowitz.

I Being a American Independent voter who once voted in 2008 for Obama want to support the republic and the Constitution through the political process by choosing and helping finance a candidate like Trump   who opposes the radical lefts agenda.  I expect appeals and final conclusions to be decided by a higher court.Oh by the way,Ron DeSantas is a Paul Ryan sycophant imop

https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/andrew-cuomo-blasts-alvin-bragg-probe-of-trump/

 

 

Trump has transformed himself into a religion. His appeal is to all our worst instincts - bigotry, racism, and hatred. He knows how to push those buttons to maximum effect.

All religions have a common characteristic - their followers are exploited by their leader(s).

The test of their belief is whether they have been gullible enough to donate money to a purported billionaire.

[jvs]

4 hours ago, dotcalm said:

equating to election interference. Bring it on.

This here is exactly what happened on Jan 6th.

You guys just do not want to see what is going on do you?

 

[Bangkok Barry]

4 hours ago, dotcalm said:

So why did FEC, SDNY US attorney, Mueller Spec counsel, DOJ, and Bragg himself all pass on prosecuting this in 2018 but decided to proceed after Trump announced his 2024 campaign and his polls started rising? Political assault on a presidential candidate equating to election interference. Bring it on.

So you think that his illegal activity should be ignored? No action taken because he's a politician? That makes you and he part of what makes America weak and a source of despair at what a one great country has become.

[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, dotcalm said:

So why did FEC, SDNY US attorney, Mueller Spec counsel, DOJ, and Bragg himself all pass on prosecuting this in 2018 but decided to proceed after Trump announced his 2024 campaign and his polls started rising? Political assault on a presidential candidate equating to election interference. Bring it on.

IIRC, Bill Barr was at the top of the DOJ tree, and busy protecting Trump. The prosecutors in 2018 knew it would be a waste of time.

I am wondering if Trump will resist the temptation to do his incitement shtick in a courtroom. Please explain why he can't be jailed for contempt of court.

The alleged crime is illegal use of campaign funds, nothing to do with politics. He's been indicted for that by a grand jury drawn from all walks of life.

Based on your logic, I should run as a candidate for office after committing a crime.

[stevenl]

26 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

<snip>I am wondering if Trump will resist the temptation to do his incitement shtick in a courtroom.<snip>

Yes, he will resist the temptation. He is basically a coward and will not stand up directly to his opponents.

In this case resisting that temptation is also the wise move.

[JohnOFphon]

22 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

Leavenworth is a Federal pen. He's up on state charges in NY, so it will be Sing Sing.

My bad. Thanks for correcting. ????

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, JohnOFphon said:

My bad. Thanks for correcting. ????

Doesn't matter, your post was still funny.

[ThailandRyan]

17 minutes ago, JohnOFphon said:

My bad. Thanks for correcting. ????

Ye maybe because he is a former POTUS and needs his Secret Service detail, even in prison he will do his time at the federal level.....just a thought

[ThailandRyan]

6 hours ago, dotcalm said:

So why did FEC, SDNY US attorney, Mueller Spec counsel, DOJ, and Bragg himself all pass on prosecuting this in 2018 but decided to proceed after Trump announced his 2024 campaign and his polls started rising? Political assault on a presidential candidate equating to election interference. Bring it on.

Well for one he was still a sitting POTUS and could not be prosecuted while in office, so they waited until the had all the ducks in a row, got a grand jury indictment and here we are.  Next up will be the federal charges of violating campaign finance laws, then the Georgia case as well as the big one where he created the Jan 6h insurrection, but you believe he walks on water and its all BS.  Take a minute and think about it, if you did the same stuff he has done would you be prosecuted or not....and no it has nothing to do with politics as far as the Democrats gunning for him.  Did he do illegal things, why yes he did. Is he being indicted and prosecuted for these illegal acts, why yes he is.  Will a jury find him guilty, well thats up to how the case is prosecuted in court. Yet he will continue to say it is a witch hunt......somedays I wish I could do whatever I wanted, steal from others, bribe folks, pay off people to make them go away and not file charges, but then in the end it all comes around and bites you in the rear.  Look at OJ, Karma is a biatch.....

 

By the way this case was being investigated and people interviewed by the grand jury before Trump filed for the 2024 presidential run.  He filed to try and get ahead of all of his legal troubles, yet as he is no longer POTUS anything and everything he has done is fair game now....not a political witch hunt by far.

Edited April 1, 2023 by ThailandRyan

[Hawaiian]

11 hours ago, billd766 said:

But that does not make them right, though.

Does not make them wrong either. 

[jerrymahoney]

One big difference for the NY state charges that prior NY State and federal attorneys decided to drop is that they did not have Allen Weisselberg available as a possible witness.

 

Reports on Weisselberg's possible flip is that since FEB the NY state attorneys have been pressuring him with additional charges if he chooses not to cooperate.

 

From 3FEB2023

Manhattan DA threatens former Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg with new charges

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/manhattan-da-threatens-former-trump-organization-cfo-allen/story?id=96864076

 

Edited April 1, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[jvs]

8 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Well for one he was still a sitting POTUS and could not be prosecuted while in office, so they waited until the had all the ducks in a row, got a grand jury indictment and here we are.  Next up will be the federal charges of violating campaign finance laws, then the Georgia case as well as the big one where he created the Jan 6h insurrection, but you believe he walks on water and its all BS.  Take a minute and think about it, if you did the same stuff he has done would you be prosecuted or not....and no it has nothing to do with politics as far as the Democrats gunning for him.  Did he do illegal things, why yes he did. Is he being indicted and prosecuted for these illegal acts, why yes he is.  Will a jury find him guilty, well thats up to how the case is prosecuted in court. Yet he will continue to say it is a witch hunt......somedays I wish I could do whatever I wanted, steal from others, bribe folks, pay off people to make them go away and not file charges, but then in the end it all comes around and bites you in the rear.  Look at OJ, Karma is a biatch.....

 

By the way this case was being investigated and people interviewed by the grand jury before Trump filed for the 2024 presidential run.  He filed to try and get ahead of all of his legal troubles, yet as he is no longer POTUS anything and everything he has done is fair game now....not a political witch hunt by far.

Yes rule of law,for every body!

That is the most important thing in order to believe in the system again.

For most people justice is more swift but also in this case it is coming.

 

[LosLobo]

6 hours ago, dotcalm said:

So why did FEC, SDNY US attorney, Mueller Spec counsel, DOJ, and Bragg himself all pass on prosecuting this in 2018 but decided to proceed after Trump announced his 2024 campaign and his polls started rising? Political assault on a presidential candidate equating to election interference. Bring it on.

Same reason Mueller didn't prosecute Trump for obstruction of justice in the proven Russian Collusion case because of Department of Justice guidelines barring a sitting president from being indicted. 

 

But Mueller said Trump could be charged after leaving office.

 

 

Edited April 1, 2023 by LosLobo