Daily Covid-19 cases in Bangkok spike

[rattlesnake]

But all these people catching Covid have had multiple jabs of the safe and effective vaccine, so they will be fine, right? Or am I missing something?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

But all these people catching Covid have had multiple jabs of the safe and effective vaccine, so they will be fine, right? Or am I missing something?

Yes, you're definitely missing SOMETHING!

 

As presumably you and most people well understand by now... as the coronavirus mutated from its original version over the past several years, the effectiveness of the original vaccines against it, and now even the newer vaccines, changed.

 

In today's world, being vaccinated and boosted with the latest shots in the past 4-6 months provides some protection against merely becoming infected with COVID, pretty good right after the vaccination and then waning with time.

 

But more importantly, the same vaccines still provide very good protection against serious illness, hospitalization and death from COVID... Someone who's been fully vaccinated and boosted, still even today, is far less likely to become seriously ill from COVID than an unvaccinated person.

 

And that's the whole point, to keep people out of the hospitals, not suffering from serious COVID illness or dying.

 

Even with the current Omicron variants, adults age 18 and above who are fully vaccinated and then boosted with the newer bivalent vaccines have overall a SIX TIMES lower risk of dying from COVID in February 2023 than the same group of unvaccinated adults, according to the U.S. CDC.

 

 

 

Those rates above are overall for all adults age 18 and above, as the chart indicates. The actual death numbers from COVID, of course, are larger in older adults in their 60s, 70s, 80s and beyond, and smaller in the various younger age groups.

 

Though the protective benefits of vaccinations vs being unvaccinated hold equally true when you look at only the older age groups, such as the following:

 

Adults ages 50-64:

 

Adults ages 65-79:

 

 

And younger too:

Adults ages 30-49:

 

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

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Edited April 26, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[transam]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Yes, you're definitely missing SOMETHING!

 

As presumably you and most people well understand by now... as the coronavirus mutated from its original version over the past several years, the effectiveness of the original vaccines against it, and now even the newer vaccines, changed.

 

In today's world, being vaccinated and boosted with the latest shots in the past 4-6 months provides some protection against merely becoming infected with COVID, pretty good right after the vaccination and then waning with time.

 

But more importantly, the same vaccines still provide very good protection against serious illness, hospitalization and death from COVID... Someone who's been fully vaccinated and boosted, still even today, is far less likely to become seriously ill from COVID than an unvaccinated person.

 

And that's the whole point, to keep people out of the hospitals, not suffering from serious COVID illness or dying.

 

Even with the current Omicron variants, adult fully vaccinated and then boosted with the newer bivalent vaccines has a SIX TIMES lower risk of dying from COVID in February 2023 than an unvaccinated adult, according to the U.S. CDC.

 

 

 

Those rates above are overall for all adults age 18 and above, as the chart indicates. The actual death numbers from COVID, of course, are larger in older adults in their 60s, 70s, 80s and beyond, and smaller in the various younger age groups.

 

Though the protective benefits of vaccinations vs being unvaccinated hold equally true when you look at only the older age groups, such as the following:

 

Adults ages 50-64:

 

Adults ages 65-79:

 

 

And younger too:

Adults ages 30-49:

 

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

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I think you are wasting your time, after 3 years some folk here STILL don't understand the fundamentals...........????

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, Docno said:

Hope so too. But it's my second dance with the virus and there were no long-lasting effects the last. Whether that means anything or not, I don't know. I tested negative yesterday and feel completely fine. Haven't stopped working (at home) since testing positive. Brain seems none the worse for wear.

 

Hmmmm....  There's lots of good reasons why no one should want repeat COVID infections, even if they think they emerged unscathed. Below is just one of the many...

 

COVID-19 can cause brain shrinkage, memory loss - study

March 8 (Reuters) - COVID-19 can cause the brain to shrink, reduce grey matter in the regions that control emotion and memory, and damage areas that control the sense of smell, an Oxford University study has found.

 

The scientists said that the effects were even seen in people who had not been hospitalised with COVID, and whether the impact could be partially reversed or if they would persist in the long term needed further investigation.

...

Even in mild cases, participants in the research showed "a worsening of executive function" responsible for focus and organising, and on an average brain sizes shrank between 0.2% and 2%."

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/covid-19-can-cause-brain-shrinkage-memory-loss-study-2022-03-08/

 

It's what colloquially has become to be known as post-COVID "brain fog" -- one of many various kinds of symptoms that can and do linger in patients after COVID, even among those who were asymptomatic in their original infection.

 

 

Edited April 26, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Yes, you're definitely missing SOMETHING!

 

As presumably you and most people well understand by now... as the coronavirus mutated from its original version over the past several years, the effectiveness of the original vaccines against it, and now even the newer vaccines, changed.

 

In today's world, being vaccinated and boosted with the latest shots in the past 4-6 months provides some protection against merely becoming infected with COVID, pretty good right after the vaccination and then waning with time.

 

But more importantly, the same vaccines still provide very good protection against serious illness, hospitalization and death from COVID... Someone who's been fully vaccinated and boosted, still even today, is far less likely to become seriously ill from COVID than an unvaccinated person.

 

And that's the whole point, to keep people out of the hospitals, not suffering from serious COVID illness or dying.

 

Even with the current Omicron variants, adults age 18 and above who are fully vaccinated and then boosted with the newer bivalent vaccines have overall a SIX TIMES lower risk of dying from COVID in February 2023 than the same group of unvaccinated adults, according to the U.S. CDC.

 

 

 

Those rates above are overall for all adults age 18 and above, as the chart indicates. The actual death numbers from COVID, of course, are larger in older adults in their 60s, 70s, 80s and beyond, and smaller in the various younger age groups.

 

Though the protective benefits of vaccinations vs being unvaccinated hold equally true when you look at only the older age groups, such as the following:

 

Adults ages 50-64:

 

Adults ages 65-79:

 

 

And younger too:

Adults ages 30-49:

 

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

.

The CDC is paid by Pfizer.

https://ashpublications.org/ashclinicalnews/news/4797/CDC-Pressed-to-Acknowledge-Industry-Funding

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

32 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

The CDC is paid by Pfizer.

https://ashpublications.org/ashclinicalnews/news/4797/CDC-Pressed-to-Acknowledge-Industry-Funding

The funding raised in that article was NOT going to the government agency CDC, but instead was going to the CDC Foundation, a separate, independent nonprofit entity.

 

The CDC Foundation has no role in approving or regulating the Pfizer or any other vaccine. And the CDC officials who do have a role with the vaccines do not have any role with the CDC Foundation, which is run by non-CDC outsiders.

 

BTW, the COVID and other vaccines are primarily regulated by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), moreso than the CDC.

 

"The CDC Foundation is an independent nonprofit and the sole entity created by Congress to mobilize philanthropic and private-sector resources to support the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s critical health protection work.

...

Thanks to our donors, we have launched approximately more than 1,300 health protection programs and raised over $2 billion to support CDC's work over the past two decades."

 

https://www.cdcfoundation.org/our-story

 

Edited April 26, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

BTW, FWIW, the CDC Foundation's website indicates that Pfizer's donations to the foundation in recent years since the emergence of COVID have been minimal:

 

2022 -- $1,000 to $9,999

2021 -- $25 to $999

 

Source

 

The CDC's annual government-funded budget is about $13 Billion.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/budget/fact-sheets/

 

 

 

 

Edited April 26, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The funding raised in that article was NOT going to the government agency CDC, but instead was going to the CDC Foundation, a separate, independent nonprofit entity.

 

The CDC Foundation has no role in approving or regulating the Pfizer or any other vaccine. And the CDC officials who do have a role with the vaccines do not have any role with the CDC Foundation, which is run by non-CDC outsiders.

 

BTW, the COVID and other vaccines are primarily regulated by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), moreso than the CDC.

 

"The CDC Foundation is an independent nonprofit and the sole entity created by Congress to mobilize philanthropic and private-sector resources to support the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s critical health protection work.

...

Thanks to our donors, we have launched approximately more than 1,300 health protection programs and raised over $2 billion to support CDC's work over the past two decades."

 

https://www.cdcfoundation.org/our-story

 

Indeed, as you say,  the COVID and other vaccines are primarily regulated by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). A substantial portion of their money comes from user fees paid by the pharmaceutical companies they regulate:

https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/fda-basics/fact-sheet-fda-glance

"Human Drugs regulatory activities account for 33 percent of FDA’s budget; 65 percent of these activities are paid for by industry user fees."

 

Pharma money is everywhere and this is an obvious concern for anyone capable of basic independent thinking.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

13 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

"Human Drugs regulatory activities account for 33 percent of FDA’s budget; 65 percent of these activities are paid for by industry user fees."

Because Congress many years back passed a law to specifically set up that source of additional user fee funding... back before when it typically was taking the FDA 10 years or so to make approval decisions on new drugs/devices. The added user fee funding allowed the FDA to substantially shorten those timeframes, helping save many lives.

 

"Federal law authorizes the FDA to collect user fees to supplement the annual funding that Congress provides for the agency. User fees help the FDA fulfill its mission of protecting the public health and also facilitate timely availability of innovative FDA-regulated products without compromising the agency’s commitment to scientific integrity, public health, regulatory standards, patient safety, and transparency."

...

Importantly, there is no direct connection between a fee paid for an application and the review outcome for that application. Rather, the user fees, including application fees, are pooled, and used to help fund the payroll and related costs to deliver on program goals. "

 

https://www.fda.gov/industry/fda-user-fee-programs/fda-user-fees-explained

 

 

Funding to help expedite a slow process

"Since the FDA's inception after the 1906 Pure Food and Drug Act, taxpayer dollars were the principal source of the agency's funding.

 

But this all changed with the emergence of HIV in the 1980s, when the demand for experimental medicines clashed with the agency's sluggish approval process. This process – due to being underfunded and understaffed – typically took 10 years at this point."

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/27/fact-check-some-fdas-budget-does-come-industry-funding/5572076001/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 26, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[rattlesnake]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Because Congress many years back passed a law to specifically set up that source of additional user fee funding... back before when it typically was taking the FDA 10 years or so to make approval decisions on new drugs/devices. The added user fee funding allowed the FDA to substantially shorten those timeframes, helping save many lives.

 

"Federal law authorizes the FDA to collect user fees to supplement the annual funding that Congress provides for the agency. User fees help the FDA fulfill its mission of protecting the public health and also facilitate timely availability of innovative FDA-regulated products without compromising the agency’s commitment to scientific integrity, public health, regulatory standards, patient safety, and transparency."

...

Importantly, there is no direct connection between a fee paid for an application and the review outcome for that application. Rather, the user fees, including application fees, are pooled, and used to help fund the payroll and related costs to deliver on program goals. "

 

https://www.fda.gov/industry/fda-user-fee-programs/fda-user-fees-explained

 

 

 

 

"Importantly, there is no direct connection between a fee paid for an application and the review outcome for that application."

 

You'd have to be incredibly naive to believe that.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And none of this off-topic diversion on U.S. government agency funding sources that you have drawn this discussion into has anything to do with the thread topic here, which is:

 

Daily Covid-19 cases in Bangkok spike

Edited April 26, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

And none of this off-topic diversion on U.S. government agency funding sources that you have drawn this discussion into has anything to do with the thread topic here, which is:

 

Daily Covid-19 cases in Bangkok spike

The question I asked was:

"But all these people catching Covid have had multiple jabs of the safe and effective vaccine, so they will be fine, right? Or am I missing something?"

The obvious point of the question being "where is the problem, considering most people have had their life-saving jabs?".

 

You are the one who replied citing the CDC and purported differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals.

[ozimoron]

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

The CDC is paid by Pfizer.

https://ashpublications.org/ashclinicalnews/news/4797/CDC-Pressed-to-Acknowledge-Industry-Funding

That's a long way from controlled by Pfizer.

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

The question I asked was:

"But all these people catching Covid have had multiple jabs of the safe and effective vaccine, so they will be fine, right? Or am I missing something?"

The obvious point of the question being "where is the problem, considering most people have had their life-saving jabs?".

 

You are the one who replied citing the CDC and purported differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals.

You are missing that 1,000 vaccinations may or may not save you depending on your state of health how lucky you happen to be. Healthy people may not even have symptoms and then suffer from long covid.

[Pink Mist]

A misinformation post has been removed. Covid is not the Flu.

[Docno]

On 4/26/2023 at 6:59 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Hmmmm....  There's lots of good reasons why no one should want repeat COVID infections, even if they think they emerged unscathed. Below is just one of the many...

 

COVID-19 can cause brain shrinkage, memory loss - study

The study was done when the more severe alpha variant was dominant, so who knows whether it applies. Plus, long-covid is 50% less likely to happen for people who are vaccinated. 

But the bigger question is this: do you want to spend the rest of your life wearing a mask, doing social distancing, updating your vaccinations, etc etc? Everyone will get the virus. Multiple times. Unless they literally live in a cave (without bats). That's what endemic means. The small city-state of Singapore just went from 14000 cases in one week to 28000 cases in the following week. And those are massive underestimates because many people (like me) see no need to trek to a doctor to be 'officially registered' with covid. The virus is out there and it will find you ... how long can we worry about it? 

p.s. the taxi driver I had yesterday has had covid 3 times and just got over dengue. Said dengue was far worse. In fact, in 2020, dengue killed more people in Singapore than covid. That one scares me more because the companies haven't gone all-in to develop a vaccine for that...  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

New COVID hospitalizations continue their sharp rise for fifth consecutive week

 

"New weekly COVID hospitalizations in Thailand continued their sharp rise for a fifth consecutive week hitting 1,811 new cases as of last week (April 23-29), up more than 66% percent from the prior week and more than 10-fold from the start of the month, according to newly released data by the Ministry of Public Health.

...

Also last week, the share of COVID hospitalizations reported in serious condition rose to 157, more than doubling from the 73 count two weeks ago and the 19 counted during the first week of April (April 2-8). Likewise, the share of COVID hospitalized patients requiring intubation to breath more than doubled to 79 last week compared to 35 two weeks ago, and 14 the first week of April."

 

Some of the top COVID weekly new hospitalization numbers by province:

 

Bangkok -- 525

Chonburi -- 148

Nonthaburi -- 112

Lamphun -- 100

Surat Thani -- 99

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1293588-new-covid-hospitalizations-continue-their-sharp-rise-for-fifth-consecutive-week/#comment-18054005