FBI director speaks with congressional Republicans about Biden document dispute

[onthedarkside]

 

FBI Director Christopher Wray on Wednesday offered to let House Oversight Chair James Comer view an internal law enforcement document at FBI headquarters that Republicans believe will shed light on an allegation that then-Vice President Joe Biden was involved in a criminal scheme with a foreign national, the chairman said in a statement.

 

The document has origins in a tranche of documents that Rudy Giuliani provided to the Justice Department in 2020, people briefed on the matter said.

 

The allegations of wrongdoing by the then-vice president, many originating from sources in Ukraine, were dubious enough that Attorney General William Barr in early 2020 directed that they be reviewed by a US attorney in Pittsburgh, in part because Barr was concerned that Giuliani’s document tranche could taint the ongoing Hunter Biden investigation overseen by the Delaware US attorney.

 

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https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/31/politics/christopher-wray-congress-contempt/index.html

 

[candide]

To be noticed: ????

"The document has origins in a tranche of documents that Rudy Giuliani provided to the Justice Department in 2020, people briefed on the matter said." 

Edited June 1, 2023 by candide

[SunnyinBangrak]

38 minutes ago, candide said:

To be noticed: ????

"The document has origins in a tranche of documents that Rudy Giuliani provided to the Justice Department in 2020, people briefed on the matter said." 

Yes indeed. The laptop he provided back then to them was genuine too wasn't it, stands to reason this is authentic also. I hope dishonest interference -smears and inuendo from alphabet agencies, ex CIA spies and msm will not be carried out like back then and the document is finally taken seriously after all this time the FBI hid it. Can but hope

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Yes indeed. The laptop he provided back then to them was genuine too wasn't it, stands to reason this is authentic also. I hope dishonest interference -smears and inuendo from alphabet agencies, ex CIA spies and msm will not be carried out like back then and the document is finally taken seriously after all this time the FBI hid it. Can but hope

Focus on hoping for actual evidence of actual crimes.

 

And no more of the ‘My dog ate my whistleblower’ nonsense.

 

 

[candide]

10 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Yes indeed. The laptop he provided back then to them was genuine too wasn't it, stands to reason this is authentic also. I hope dishonest interference -smears and inuendo from alphabet agencies, ex CIA spies and msm will not be carried out like back then and the document is finally taken seriously after all this time the FBI hid it. Can but hope

That's why nobody believed it was not fake: it came from Giuliani, known for spreading Russian disinformation (and later for being a main promoter of the Big Lie). Giuliani has zero credibility.

 

As about MSM, as recalled already many times, they were not given the content of the laptop.  Only the right-wing biased NYPost got it at that time. 

[Bkk Brian]

39 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Yes indeed. The laptop he provided back then to them was genuine too wasn't it, stands to reason this is authentic also. I hope dishonest interference -smears and inuendo from alphabet agencies, ex CIA spies and msm will not be carried out like back then and the document is finally taken seriously after all this time the FBI hid it. Can but hope

"the document is finally taken seriously after all this time the FBI hid it. Can but hope"

 

Yes you can but hope, but in reality its already been investigated and: "The FBI and prosecutors who reviewed the information couldn’t corroborate the claims."

[ThailandRyan]

45 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

"the document is finally taken seriously after all this time the FBI hid it. Can but hope"

 

Yes you can but hope, but in reality its already been investigated and: "The FBI and prosecutors who reviewed the information couldn’t corroborate the claims."

Neither could they use it to provide prosecuting attorneys with any evidence for a case to be prosecuted.  If they had then it would have been done and over with before the election...

 

It's my believe that the Trump folks held onto it, since he was in power at the time, so that it wouldn't see the light of day to be tried before the election. Imagine if they had tried Hunter before the election and the case imploded.....hmmm

[candide]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Yes indeed. The laptop he provided back then to them was genuine too wasn't it, stands to reason this is authentic also. I hope dishonest interference -smears and inuendo from alphabet agencies, ex CIA spies and msm will not be carried out like back then and the document is finally taken seriously after all this time the FBI hid it. Can but hope

According to the article  it comes from Ukraine, probably from his pro-Russia friends (ex. Derkach) who have been sanctioned in the U.S. and in Ukraine. No wonder even Barr did not accept it.

 

"Ukraine's main domestic security agency said on Friday it had uncovered a Russian spy network involving Ukrainian lawmaker Andriy Derkach who was previously accused by the United States of being a Russian agent."

https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/law-order/2085889-ukraine-accuses-us-sanctioned-lawmaker-of-working-for-russia?amp

 

"Zelensky deprived the citizenship of Ukraine of lawmakers Victor Medvedchuk, Taras Kozak, Renat Kuzmin and Andriy Derkach"

https://babel.ua/en/news/89191-zelensky-deprived-the-citizenship-of-ukraine-of-lawmakers-victor-medvedchuk-taras-kozak-renat-kuzmin-and-andriy-derkach

I knew that  coming from Giuliani  it could only be a scam

Edited June 1, 2023 by candide

[billd766]

5 hours ago, candide said:

That's why nobody believed it was not fake: it came from Giuliani, known for spreading Russian disinformation (and later for being a main promoter of the Big Lie). Giuliani has zero credibility.

 

As about MSM, as recalled already many times, they were not given the content of the laptop.  Only the right-wing biased NYPost got it at that time. 

He only believes in anything detrimental to President Biden. In his eyes and that of most Trump supporters, Trump has done and can never do anything wrong.

[Tug]

7 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Yes indeed. The laptop he provided back then to them was genuine too wasn't it, stands to reason this is authentic also. I hope dishonest interference -smears and inuendo from alphabet agencies, ex CIA spies and msm will not be carried out like back then and the document is finally taken seriously after all this time the FBI hid it. Can but hope

Sorry it’s just another attempted smear by trump and company if bill Barr (trumps lap dog) thought it was two sketchy there’s nothing to it.The most likely the reason that the director called comer in was to show him it’s bs and to just let it go

[vandeventer]

13 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Yes indeed. The laptop he provided back then to them was genuine too wasn't it, stands to reason this is authentic also. I hope dishonest interference -smears and inuendo from alphabet agencies, ex CIA spies and msm will not be carried out like back then and the document is finally taken seriously after all this time the FBI hid it. Can but hope

Wray needs his feet held to the fire. What do you have to hide? All America needs to see this document!

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

Wray needs his feet held to the fire. What do you have to hide? All America needs to see this document!

What do they have to hide?  Confidential sources, undercover agents, identities of people not charged with a crime, operating details of an ongoing investigation, etc.  Stuff like that.

[vandeventer]

10 hours ago, heybruce said:

What do they have to hide?  Confidential sources, undercover agents, identities of people not charged with a crime, operating details of an ongoing investigation, etc.  Stuff like that.

Protect Biden anyway you can, it's not even classified.

[candide]

2 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Protect Biden anyway you can, it's not even classified.

Protect what? Why isn't Comer going to have a look at the file as he's been invited to do?

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Protect Biden anyway you can, it's not even classified.

The justice dept doesn't use the designation "classified" for its confidential documents.

[heybruce]

12 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Protect Biden anyway you can, it's not even classified.

Which has no significance in this case.

[vandeventer]

12 hours ago, candide said:

Protect what? Why isn't Comer going to have a look at the file as he's been invited to do?

Wray is handing it over on Monday, we will just have to wait and see>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM5mhG1IV1o

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

36 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Wray is handing it over on Monday, we will just have to wait and see>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM5mhG1IV1o

 

The damage is done IMO. They should never have tried hiding it to begin with. Hope Mr.Luft is safe, he will be in hiding for ever, brave guy.

[placeholder]

39 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The damage is done IMO. They should never have tried hiding it to begin with. Hope Mr.Luft is safe, he will be in hiding for ever, brave guy.

So, you know that this Luft person's report was accurate and he's a brave guy? You know that his report is truthful and his motivations honorable? And were Giuliani's informants, Parnas and Fruman, now serving prison time for fraud in an unrelated matter, also brave and honorable when they made allegations against Biden and his actions in Ukraine?

Edited June 3, 2023 by placeholder

[placeholder]

 

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

Wray is handing it over on Monday, we will just have to wait and see>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM5mhG1IV1o

 

Anyway, what it looks like is that Comer has accepted the FBI's offer to read the document along with Raskin. Not that they're handing the document over to the committee.

[candide]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

 

Anyway, what it looks like is that Comer has accepted the FBI's offer to read the document along with Raskin. Not that they're handing the document over to the committee.

Exactly

"The document will be brought to Capitol Hill on Monday, and Comer and Oversight Committee ranking member Jamie Raskin (D-MD) will be the only two members to view it in a SCIF, an ultra-secure room used for viewing highly classified information where technology is not permitted."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/fbi-document-top-oversight-members-viewing

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Exactly

"The document will be brought to Capitol Hill on Monday, and Comer and Oversight Committee ranking member Jamie Raskin (D-MD) will be the only two members to view it in a SCIF, an ultra-secure room used for viewing highly classified information where technology is not permitted."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/fbi-document-top-oversight-members-viewing

It's been on offer for a while. Apparently, Comer backed down and accepted the offer.

[candide]

20 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's been on offer for a while. Apparently, Comer backed down and accepted the offer.

Actually, It's not that bad for Comer. He will still be able to claim whatever he wants.

We have the precedent of Jim Jordan who claimed the opposite of what Mike Morell actually testified.

[SunnyinBangrak]

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

So, you know that this Luft person's report was accurate and he's a brave guy? You know that his report is truthful and his motivations honorable? And were Giuliani's informants, Parnas and Fruman, now serving prison time for fraud in an unrelated matter, also brave and honorable when they made allegations against Biden and his actions in Ukraine?

It would appear he is legit, yes.

 

"The individual behind the information that then-Vice President Joe Biden was involved in a criminal bribery scheme with a foreign national is a "highly credible" FBI confidential human source who has been used by the bureau in multiple investigative matters dating back to the Obama administration, Fox News Digital has learned."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/person-alleging-biden-criminal-bribery-scheme-is-a-highly-credible-fbi-source-used-since-obama-admin-source

 

Is this a thread about Parnas, Fruman and Giuliani? No.

[placeholder]

31 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

It would appear he is legit, yes.

 

"The individual behind the information that then-Vice President Joe Biden was involved in a criminal bribery scheme with a foreign national is a "highly credible" FBI confidential human source who has been used by the bureau in multiple investigative matters dating back to the Obama administration, Fox News Digital has learned."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/person-alleging-biden-criminal-bribery-scheme-is-a-highly-credible-fbi-source-used-since-obama-admin-source

 

Is this a thread about Parnas, Fruman and Giuliani? No.

I'm not the one who jumped the gun on this. You did. I was just pointing out that anti-Biden enthusiasts have ridden this horse before, to mix a metaphor, it crashed and burned. Not you of course. You've been admirably restrained and impartial.

[placeholder]

47 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

It would appear he is legit, yes.

 

"The individual behind the information that then-Vice President Joe Biden was involved in a criminal bribery scheme with a foreign national is a "highly credible" FBI confidential human source who has been used by the bureau in multiple investigative matters dating back to the Obama administration, Fox News Digital has learned."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/person-alleging-biden-criminal-bribery-scheme-is-a-highly-credible-fbi-source-used-since-obama-admin-source

 

Is this a thread about Parnas, Fruman and Giuliani? No.

And are you quite sure Giuliani, Parnas, and Fruman aren't relevant?. It turns out that, according to CNN, this document was part of the packet of so-called evidence handed over by none other than Rudolph Giuliani.

 

Republicans ‘Not Interested’ In Whether Biden Bribe Allegation Is True, Chuck Grassley Says

Citing anonymous sources, CNN reported Wednesday that the tip came from a batch of material that former Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani obtained from Ukraine and provided to the Justice Department in 2020, noting that the department said at the time that it didn’t take anything from Ukraine at face value.

Fox News host Bill Hemmer pressed Grassley on how damning the bribery allegation is for the sitting U.S. president — but Grassley couldn’t tell him.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/republicans-not-interested-whether-biden-175055975.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGpmCzxjBt5m8m8MPAl1UEBJEj7ZxTdKdPYd0YNSh-PDGORGTiI6hu4XiA_wHOMMYwE0fgVOwa7jKoPEnK_lNRc7xVKqIJFbpB9Y4KynkFX5r0k9eWSD8csuCN_RsSMsOAyf0SISRbL9KRitszzhWs7H26mdCS-ZtJsx7JobcGLj

[candide]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

It would appear he is legit, yes.

 

"The individual behind the information that then-Vice President Joe Biden was involved in a criminal bribery scheme with a foreign national is a "highly credible" FBI confidential human source who has been used by the bureau in multiple investigative matters dating back to the Obama administration, Fox News Digital has learned."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/person-alleging-biden-criminal-bribery-scheme-is-a-highly-credible-fbi-source-used-since-obama-admin-source

 

Is this a thread about Parnas, Fruman and Giuliani? No.

According to the article linked by Placeholder, the document was brought by Giuliani and the information comes from Ukraine.

 

Interestingly enough, Giuliani has been previously in contact with Russian operatives and has spread Russian disinformation before. For example, he was in contact with Derkach, who since had his nationality retrieved by Ukraine for being a Russian spy."

 

Treasury Department says Ukrainian linked to Rudy Giuliani is 'Russian agent'

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/treasury-department-ukrainian-linked-rudy-giuliani-russian-agent/story?id=72942083

( note that this news is from 1 September 2020, during the Trump administration)

 

Other interesting information from the CNN article, is that Barr had this document reviewed and did not trust it.

[candide]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

And are you quite sure Giuliani, Parnas, and Fruman aren't relevant?. It turns out that, according to CNN, this document was part of the packet of so-called evidence handed over by none other than Rudolph Giuliani.

 

Republicans ‘Not Interested’ In Whether Biden Bribe Allegation Is True, Chuck Grassley Says

Citing anonymous sources, CNN reported Wednesday that the tip came from a batch of material that former Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani obtained from Ukraine and provided to the Justice Department in 2020, noting that the department said at the time that it didn’t take anything from Ukraine at face value.

Fox News host Bill Hemmer pressed Grassley on how damning the bribery allegation is for the sitting U.S. president — but Grassley couldn’t tell him.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/republicans-not-interested-whether-biden-175055975.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGpmCzxjBt5m8m8MPAl1UEBJEj7ZxTdKdPYd0YNSh-PDGORGTiI6hu4XiA_wHOMMYwE0fgVOwa7jKoPEnK_lNRc7xVKqIJFbpB9Y4KynkFX5r0k9eWSD8csuCN_RsSMsOAyf0SISRbL9KRitszzhWs7H26mdCS-ZtJsx7JobcGLj

It's easy to get lost about Giuliani's connection in Ukraine, but the main issue is not Parnas and his pals, It's Derkach.

 

Parnas was only a (crooked, how surprising) business associate of Giuliani. He tried to help Giuliani to find dirt on Biden, but was not a Russian operative. Derkach was a Russian operative, and It's him who fed Russian disinformation to Giuliani.

[Tug]

On 6/2/2023 at 1:17 AM, vandeventer said:

Protect Biden anyway you can, it's not even classified.

I don’t think president Biden needs to be protected what you are witnessing here is comer getting called in to be shown that this line of attack is bogus based on tainted bs information generated by Rudy through the Russian disinformation machine just another bogus smear 

[placeholder]

15 minutes ago, candide said:

It's easy to get lost about Giuliani's connection in Ukraine, but the main issue is not Parnas and his pals, It's Derkach.

 

Parnas was only a (crooked, how surprising) business associate of Giuliani. He tried to help Giuliani to find dirt on Biden, but was not a Russian operative. Derkach was a Russian operative, and It's him who fed Russian disinformation to Giuliani.

Actually, Parnas was a minion of Dmytro Firtash.

 

The Kleptocrat Who Bankrolled Rudy Guiliani’s Dive for Dirt on Biden

https://newrepublic.com/article/167304/dmitro-firtash-guiliani-kleptocrat-money

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmytro_Firtash