Popular Post Hanaguma Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: You keep on banging on about Felony, you do realize the charges being pled to were part of a plea deal, so they had been reduced to get him to plead guilty. You guys amaze me that you can only see it as a conspiracy and one sidedness. Was he convicted, yes he was by pleading to the reduced charges. A win Win for both sides The felony charges were not reduced. They were, as you say, part of the deal. The charge was possessing a gun while on drugs. Given what Hunter himself wrote in his book, plus the numerous photos of him with it, seems a slam dunk to me. Another charge was lying on the federal paperwork needed to purchase the gun in the first place. But that charge was not brought, in favor of the one I wrote about already. I WAS wrong about one thing, I admit. Hunter did not dispose of the gun. It was Hallie, his brothers widow (Hunter was banging her at the time) who threw it away when she found it. He had left it in his car. 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: You keep on banging on about Felony, you do realize the charges being pled to were part of a plea deal, so they had been reduced to get him to plead guilty. You guys amaze me that you can only see it as a conspiracy and one sidedness. Was he convicted, yes he was by pleading to the reduced charges. A win Win for both sides You'll note that to date these critics have no answer for the fact that the Biden administration kept on the federal attorney appointed by Donald Trump to investigate Hunter Biden. He was promised no interference. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: Its called a Plea deal and agreement. Nothing more nothing less. You do understand a Plea agreement right? or are you just thinking either there is a trial or the case is dismissed....inquiring minds want to know. That's one helluva deal for the President's son. They say the people get the government they deserve. Given what I've seen on here from Democrat supporters justifying this blatant nepotism I am starting to believe it. 2 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, JonnyF said: That's one helluva deal for the President's son. They say the people get the government they deserve. Given what I've seen on here from Democrat supporters justifying this blatant nepotism I am starting to believe it. The federal attorney in charge of the investigation was appointed by Donald Trump. He was kept on by the Biden administration and promised no interference in the investigation. You've got nothing 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: The felony charges were not reduced. They were, as you say, part of the deal. The charge was possessing a gun while on drugs. Given what Hunter himself wrote in his book, plus the numerous photos of him with it, seems a slam dunk to me. Another charge was lying on the federal paperwork needed to purchase the gun in the first place. But that charge was not brought, in favor of the one I wrote about already. I WAS wrong about one thing, I admit. Hunter did not dispose of the gun. It was Hallie, his brothers widow (Hunter was banging her at the time) who threw it away when she found it. He had left it in his car. Yet instead of taking the Felony to court they arranged a plea deal in which the charges were reduced to a misdemeanor and the gun charge dismissed as long as he completes his probation period. If he fails to complete the probation the charges will be re-instated. You folks must not be aware of how the justice system works and how plea deals are available to all defendants unless they are up for a Third Strike. The Judge who oversaw the agreement is also a Trump appointee. Fair is Fair and the law is the law for everyone regardless of who they are. You must believe that only those who are not associated with someone in power get convicted of the higher charges and do not get to make a plea deal. Sad https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/20/hunter-biden-reaches-plea-deal-with-feds-to-resolve-tax-issues-gun-charge-00102637 Under an agreement detailed Tuesday in a filing in federal court in Delaware, President Joe Biden’s son will plead guilty to a pair of misdemeanor tax charges. Prosecutors have also charged him with possessing a firearm while being a user of illegal drugs — a felony — but have agreed to dismiss that charge if he completes a two-year period of probation. Hunter Biden, 53, is unlikely to serve time in prison if he complies with release conditions. The deal, subject to approval by a federal judge, calls for both sides to recommend that he be put on probation. The probe was overseen by U.S. Attorney for Delaware David Weiss, who was appointed by former President Donald Trump and was permitted to stay in his post after Joe Biden took office in order to complete the investigation of the president’s son. The White House and the Justice Department have said they did not interfere with Weiss’ investigation. Edited June 21, 2023 by ThailandRyan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThailandRyan Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, JonnyF said: That's one helluva deal for the President's son. They say the people get the government they deserve. Given what I've seen on here from Democrat supporters justifying this blatant nepotism I am starting to believe it. A plea deal is available to everyone and are done regularly. What percentage of cases do you think go to court and what percentage are resolved outside of a court room. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/ 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Walker88 Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 The DoJ has been weaponized ! Oh, sorry. Wrong family. Never mind. And Hunter deserved to be investigated. Real alleged crimes, not the made up stuff some R lawmakers claim, despite continually misplacing witnesses. Since Whataboutism is the parlor game of politics today, however, let's see if the DoJ also pursues: (all of these are from oft-written articles appearing in the NYT, WaPo, Chicago Tribune and aired on all major networks except Fox, Newsmax and OAN). A simple Google search will bring up dozens of LINKS. ---Jared's miracle refinancing of 666 Fifth Ave in 2018 by the Govt of Qatar, allowing him to make a $1.2 billion balloon payment on a building with a market value of $700 million, at a time when Qatar was under US and GCC sanctions, removed days after jared's refinancing. ---jared going to the russian embassy in DC in December 2020 during the transition and asking to set up a secret back channel to putin using the embassy's secure system. That could be charged as 'conspiracy to commit espionage', a capital offense. So excited was then-Ambassador Kislyak he used a non-secure phone to relay the news, a call intercepted by US intel, widely reported in all major media. ---trump's sons peddling the family name, hoping to license it in India and the Middle East while their father and company CEO was POTUS. US Secret Service, at a cost to the US Taxpayer, accompanied the boys on all of these trips -jared's sister schlepping condos to Chinese buyers, telling them she could also arrange a US Green Card if they purchased 'through connections'. ---jared somehow getting $2 billion of Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund money to manage just after leaving office, despite the fact he had never managed money before In WaPo a few days ago it was reported that Garland's DoJ was not pursuing any charges against trump for his role in calling supporters to DC on 6 January ("it will be wild"), holding a rally on the Mall imploring the crowd to march to the Capitol and "take our country back", and trump's 180 minutes of doing absolutely nothing except watch the attack on TV, even hearing the terrorists chanting "Hang Mike Pence" after trump Tweeted "I hope Pence does the right thing". After the appointment of Jack Smith, the investigation became underway. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post amexpat Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 32 minutes ago, JonnyF said: That's one helluva deal for the President's son. They say the people get the government they deserve. Given what I've seen on here from Democrat supporters justifying this blatant nepotism I am starting to believe it. Ivanka and Jared 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EVENKEEL Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 Nothing out of the ordinary about a high official getting a good deal for his loser kid. We can't honestly believe a president's son to be treated the same as any of our kids. We need to drop this and focus on the Big Guy. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fat is a type of crazy Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 In most cases in Australia, and google suggests in America, if you do not declare all your income you have to pay it with penalty and interest. Only extreme fraud, where it is obvious the taxpayer knew what they are doing, may be prosecuted such that jail time could result. The Trump appointed attorney who has looked for 5 years for issues to examine seems to have made a fairly standard finding. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said: Nothing out of the ordinary about a high official getting a good deal for his loser kid. We can't honestly believe a president's son to be treated the same as any of our kids. We need to drop this and focus on the Big Guy. I'm sure David Weiss will be very grateful for your help. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, amexpat said: Ivanka and Jared Unlike Hunter Biden, none of Trump's kids have ever held a real job that was a name branding deal or a direct result of nepotism. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LosLobo Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said: Nothing out of the ordinary about a high official getting a good deal for his loser kid. We can't honestly believe a president's son to be treated the same as any of our kids. We need to drop this and focus on the Big Guy. Yeah, as there is nothing wrong with a president getting a good $2 billion deal in Saudi for his son-in-law and pardoning his loser convict father either? Amazing law abiding Joe hasn't yet offered to pardon Hunter. More amazing is that Joe or Hunter aren't threatening or defaming the Trump appointed prosecutor on a daily basis and the Democrats haven't wanted to call the prosecutor before Congress to answer for his obvious bias. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Liverpool Lou Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, ozimoron said: Notice that the justice system can't find any evidence that a bribe was either offered to or taken by the president. But Congress has. Notice that the justice system has no inclination to find any evidence that a bribe was either offered to or taken by the president. Edited June 21, 2023 by Liverpool Lou 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, placeholder said: The federal attorney in charge of the investigation was appointed by Donald Trump. He was kept on by the Biden administration and promised no interference in the investigation. You've got nothing It doesn't matter who appointed him. What matters are his actions and decisions after being appointed. Your suggestion that the federal attorney must have been 100% unbiased at all times because Donald Trump (of all people!!) appointed him is laughable. Most attorney's are loyal to one thing and one thing only. Money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said: But Congress has. Notice that the justice system has no inclination to find any evidence that a bribe was either offered to or taken by the president. Two unsupported claims which are patently false. Congress (multiple members thereof) have admitted the tapes don't exist. What evidence? Given that you italicized your assertion it's now incumbent upon you to put up. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said: Was he convicted, yes he was Really? When was his conviction reported? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said: Fair and the law is the law for everyone regardless of who they are. ...except where certain documents and certain people are concerned! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Two unsupported claims which are patently false. Congress (multiple members thereof) have admitted the tapes don't exist. What evidence? Given that you italicized your assertion it's now incumbent upon you to put up. I didn't post anything about tapes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, Liverpool Lou said: ...except where certain documents and certain people are concerned! Trump is unlikely to be convicted of NARA violations and they are misdemeanors anyway. Trump will be convicted on the far more serious charges of obstruction and espionage, two elements missing in the Biden and Pence document transgressions. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, Liverpool Lou said: I didn't post anything about tapes! The "evidence" was all about the tapes. There was, to my knowledge, no other claims of the existence of evidence of wrongdoing. Correct me with links if I'm wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, ozimoron said: Trump is unlikely to be convicted of NARA violations and they are misdemeanors anyway. Trump will be convicted on the far more serious charges of obstruction and espionage, two elements missing in the Biden and Pence document transgressions. I wasn't referring to Pence. And what makes you think that you know that Trump will be convicted on anything, particularly the farcical espionage charge? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Hanaguma said: Pretty sweeet deal. Misdemeanour pleas, no jail time. Can't believe that tax fraud over a million dollars is a misdemeanour, but whatever. On the far more serious weapons related felonies, he can also skate. Can't see that happening to most Americans whose last name is not Biden. Fake gun application, use/display of weapon illegally obtained while consuming illegal drugs, then LOSING the illegally obtained weapon. It's good to be the king. Or at least the son of the king. Relax it’s over. Let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: I wasn't referring to Pence. And what makes you think that you know that Trump will be convicted on anything, particularly the farcical espionage charge? The fact that he's been indicted makes it odds on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, JonnyF said: It doesn't matter who appointed him. What matters are his actions and decisions after being appointed. Your suggestion that the federal attorney must have been 100% unbiased at all times because Donald Trump (of all people!!) appointed him is laughable. Most attorney's are loyal to one thing and one thing only. Money. Mr. Weiss was part of the establishment for a very very long time! He’ll be in front of committee’s me thinks especially now the investigation is over, he and others in the DOJ involved in the Potus son being charged wont have to hide behind answering questions because of a active investigation anymore ! Weiss was nominated to be U.S. attorney in Delaware by Trump in 2018 with the support of Delaware’s two Democratic U.S. senators. He previously served as the top deputy in the office and was interim U.S. attorney during the early years of the 2009-2017 Obama administration. https://www.reuters.com/legal/who-is-david-weiss-us-prosecutor-hunter-biden-case-2023-06-20/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, JonnyF said: It doesn't matter who appointed him. What matters are his actions and decisions after being appointed. Your suggestion that the federal attorney must have been 100% unbiased at all times because Donald Trump (of all people!!) appointed him is laughable. Most attorney's are loyal to one thing and one thing only. Money. So now you're suggesting bribery? Or some sort of corruption. I'm sure you wouldn't make such a charge without proof. I look forward to seeing it. And not only have you indulged in an empty generalization, but also the commonapproach and precedents of the Justice Dept to tax evasion. They are reluctant to prosecute if the debt has already been paid off They are also reluctant if they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was intent. Given the play that right wingers such as yourself have given to the fact the Hunter Biden was an out-of-control drug addict, you should understand how that charge may not be easy to prove. There is a of case of a federal prosecutor who forgot about that approach and precedents and decided to go ahead and prosecute anyway. His name is John Durham and we know how that turned out 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, riclag said: Mr. Weiss was part of the establishment for a very very long time! He’ll be in front of committee’s me thinks especially now the investigation is over, he and others in the DOJ involved in the Potus son being charged wont have to hide behind answering questions because of a active investigation anymore ! Weiss was nominated to be U.S. attorney in Delaware by Trump in 2018 with the support of Delaware’s two Democratic U.S. senators. He previously served as the top deputy in the office and was interim U.S. attorney during the early years of the 2009-2017 Obama administration. https://www.reuters.com/legal/who-is-david-weiss-us-prosecutor-hunter-biden-case-2023-06-20/ The establishment? So, Trump appointed him at the behest of the establishment whatever that is. And if summoned, doubtless Weiss will attempt to explain why it is that he took this particular course. And, doubtless, the Republicans will either feign incomprehension of this easily understandable explanation or actually be incapable of processing it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post proton Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 This is the son that the president is 'proud' of then, a self confessed criminal who would and should be going to jail without one of these dodgy plea deals to get off what they should be getting. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said: Nothing out of the ordinary about a high official getting a good deal for his loser kid. We can't honestly believe a president's son to be treated the same as any of our kids. We need to drop this and focus on the Big Guy. Nor is out of the ordinary for those who share your beliefs of adhering to them no matter how powerfully the evidence contradicts them. Weiss was given full independence to conduct this case as he saw fit. He was appointed by Donald Trump. He was one of the few Federal attorneys allowed to remain precisely because the Biden administration didn't want to be accused of removing him to protect Hunter Biden. You've got nothing. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, proton said: This is the son that the president is 'proud' of then, a self confessed criminal who would and should be going to jail without one of these dodgy plea deals to get off what they should be getting. Actually, not a self-confessed criminal. He is pleading to misdemeanours. And nothing dodgy about it at all. His prosecutor was appointed by Donald Trump and allowed to stay on precisely to avoid any empty charges of favoritism. But pointing out the reality of the situation has little effect on minds that are inflamed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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