webfact Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Coming from a man considered to be one of the top political thinkers, the idea that the second biggest party in a multiple-party system is traditionally required to fight with the biggest one in forming a government sounds more worrisome. If not more ridiculous, that is. Even Phumtham Wechayachai, one of the Pheu Thai Party’s most powerful influencers, has pointed out himself that his political camp and Move Forward were not that far apart in terms of election wins. This made the deputy party leader’s assertion that Pheu Thai could have chosen to be a rival government-forming core more bewildering. No political textbook says Pheu Thai should have, and for good reason. Yet this type of thinking has spread throughout not just Pheu Thai’s highest hierarchy but also a considerable section of its support down to the grass roots. There is only one justification for a post-election rivalry between Move Forward and Pheu Thai, and that is if there are irreconcilable ideological differences between both parties. Truth, however, is that Pheu Thai is closer to Move Forward ideologically than to, say, Palang Pracharath. To say otherwise is ignoring what has been happening in Thailand over the past two decades. By Tulsathit Taptim Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/why-pheu-thais-thinking-is-democratically-wrong/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2023-06-24 - Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 2baht Posted June 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, webfact said: There is only one justification for a post-election rivalry between Move Forward and Pheu Thai .................who gets the most snouts in the trough! ???????????? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted June 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2023 2 hours ago, webfact said: his political camp and Move Forward were not that far apart In which way? Thai politics is, or at least was, always about influence and money. Political goals? Who cares? The politicians in the most lucrative positions make the most money. That counts. Let's look if Move Forward will change this system. I try to keep an open mind. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 hours ago, 2baht said: .................who gets the most snouts in the trough! ???????????? Truer than not. .....and all attached to the same club. One-n-the-same, can't tell one from the other. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingstonkid Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 The biggest difference is the man in Dubai and we whether he should come back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scorecard Posted June 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2023 51 minutes ago, kingstonkid said: The biggest difference is the man in Dubai and we whether he should come back. And the answer is NO, NO, NO. He's not just 'the man in Dubai'. He's a person who has been charged with several civil offences involving very large amounts of money, found guilty for good reasons (real evidence) and not in a military court, and sentenced to 12 years in jail. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hotchilli Posted June 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2023 9 hours ago, webfact said: There is only one justification for a post-election rivalry between Move Forward and Pheu Thai, and that is if there are irreconcilable ideological differences between both parties. It's the old "we should have won syndrome" some sore losers in the camp. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Purdey Posted June 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2023 Most parties just want lucrative ministerial portfolios. If Move Forward held all the key ministries and used their power to develop the country it would make a nice change. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 10 hours ago, webfact said: Pheu Thai is closer to Move Forward ideologically than to, say, Palang Pracharath. That's like saying your left hand is closer to your right hand than to, say your foot. The comparison is nonsensible. Looking at the last ten years for what has the PTP accomplished in terms of strengthening democracy in Thailand? Two elections reflect little to nothing. At best I view PTP as a conservative right-wing capitalistic party versus MFP as a progressive left-wing proletarian party. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 34 minutes ago, Purdey said: Most parties just want lucrative ministerial portfolios. If Move Forward held all the key ministries and used their power to develop the country it would make a nice change. But always keeping in mind that coaliton parties will soon depart if they don't get some benefits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 In a coalition everything is open for discussion. The weaker can have the PM and the stronger can have more ministers...all possible. It is up to negotiations. There are some positions that are more important....and some that are less so they need to negotiate a package. Both MFP and PTP can have a majority in parliament without the other. Both will have problems with the senators 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Srikcir said: That's like saying your left hand is closer to your right hand than to, say your foot. The comparison is nonsensible. Looking at the last ten years for what has the PTP accomplished in terms of strengthening democracy in Thailand? Two elections reflect little to nothing. At best I view PTP as a conservative right-wing capitalistic party versus MFP as a progressive left-wing proletarian party. An oligarch party strengthen democracy??? Why should they do that???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrMojoRisin Posted June 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 hours ago, scorecard said: And the answer is NO, NO, NO. He's not just 'the man in Dubai'. He's a person who has been charged with several civil offences involving very large amounts of money, found guilty for good reasons (real evidence) and not in a military court, and sentenced to 12 years in jail. Nonsense. Trumped up charges (by Thai standards) and politicised courts. He’ll be free as a bird strolling the sois of Bangkok in a month. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Srikcir said: That's like saying your left hand is closer to your right hand than to, say your foot. The comparison is nonsensible. Looking at the last ten years for what has the PTP accomplished in terms of strengthening democracy in Thailand? Two elections reflect little to nothing. At best I view PTP as a conservative right-wing capitalistic party versus MFP as a progressive left-wing proletarian party. On the political spectrum, PT is clearly closer to MF than the junta numpties (thus the coups). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Srikcir said: That's like saying your left hand is closer to your right hand than to, say your foot. The comparison is nonsensible. Looking at the last ten years for what has the PTP accomplished in terms of strengthening democracy in Thailand? Two elections reflect little to nothing. At best I view PTP as a conservative right-wing capitalistic party versus MFP as a progressive left-wing proletarian party. And most seriously amusing is the implanted seed that PT harbors some sort of liberal/progressive working-class hero stand - subliminally promoted as well is that they are "opposition" to the traditional ruling class. Far from such deluded reality. PT, as most others, are tied to the traditional establishment mindset and doings. Give 'em time to cure and MV will fester toward these bases as well - the nature of politics and political machines serving the masses......eventually they go array to tradition, forgetting what they exist for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: On the political spectrum, PT is clearly closer to MF than the junta numpties (thus the coups). I wouldn't wager on that suggestion. PT is closer to oppressive establishment in design.......perhaps, they're not Junta Gang-like, yet wouldn't take much to push them over to the dark side. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrMojoRisin Posted June 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, zzaa09 said: I wouldn't wager on that suggestion. PT is closer to oppressive establishment in design.......perhaps, they're not Junta Gang-like, yet wouldn't take much to push them over to the dark side. Then why would the establishment see Thaksin as an existential threat and risk coup after coup after coup to ensure that he was kept out of power? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said: Then why would the establishment see Thaksin as an existential threat and risk coup after coup after coup to ensure that he was kept out of power? Part and parcel to the game that you [and most others] don't understand that is being played. Two [perhaps more] factions of the establishment that use distractions to confuse. Not cut and pasted as one might think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scorecard Posted June 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2023 4 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said: Nonsense. Trumped up charges (by Thai standards) and politicised courts. He’ll be free as a bird strolling the sois of Bangkok in a month. Nonsense. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoner Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, zzaa09 said: Part and parcel to the game that you [and most others] don't understand that is being played. Two [perhaps more] factions of the establishment that use distractions to confuse. Not cut and pasted as one might think. there's always a puppeteer. weather here or anywhere else. Edited June 24, 2023 by stoner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 12 hours ago, zzaa09 said: And most seriously amusing is the implanted seed that PT harbors some sort of liberal/progressive working-class hero stand - subliminally promoted as well is that they are "opposition" to the traditional ruling class. Far from such deluded reality. PT, as most others, are tied to the traditional establishment mindset and doings. Give 'em time to cure and MV will fester toward these bases as well - the nature of politics and political machines serving the masses......eventually they go array to tradition, forgetting what they exist for. Give MF a chance! Thaksin decided back at the beginning of the millennium he would accept anyone into his party(ies) in order to strengthen them. Hence the inclusion of such people as Chalerm Youbamrung, a man with a very dubious background. There are plenty of seasoned politicians in PT, many jumped ship when things looked rough and then back again when a ministry beckoned 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 57 minutes ago, bannork said: Give MF a chance! Thaksin decided back at the beginning of the millennium he would accept anyone into his party(ies) in order to strengthen them. Hence the inclusion of such people as Chalerm Youbamrung, a man with a very dubious background. There are plenty of seasoned politicians in PT, many jumped ship when things looked rough and then back again when a ministry beckoned Would you trust any thaksin crony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 23 hours ago, scorecard said: And the answer is NO, NO, NO. He's not just 'the man in Dubai'. He's a person who has been charged with several civil offences involving very large amounts of money, found guilty for good reasons (real evidence) and not in a military court, and sentenced to 12 years in jail. Wonder how long it will take for the unelected caretaker PM to be charged with anything to do with his finances? The fact that he will always have soldiers, guns and tanks behind him will make sure he will always be safe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nahkit Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 22 hours ago, Srikcir said: That's like saying your left hand is closer to your right hand than to, say your foot. The comparison is nonsensible. Looking at the last ten years for what has the PTP accomplished in terms of strengthening democracy in Thailand? Two elections reflect little to nothing. At best I view PTP as a conservative right-wing capitalistic party versus MFP as a progressive left-wing proletarian party. "Looking at the last ten years for what has the PTP accomplished in terms of strengthening democracy in Thailand?" The PTP weren't running the country for the last ten years, the military has been running it since 2014. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 8 hours ago, scorecard said: Would you trust any thaksin crony? Nonsense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, NoshowJones said: Wonder how long it will take for the unelected caretaker PM to be charged with anything to do with his finances? The fact that he will always have soldiers, guns and tanks behind him will make sure he will always be safe. Even more so, he has an influential entity behind him that will always ensure his safety. Remember where he comes from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingstonkid Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 As much as @mojorisn may disagree. The Pt has had numerous chances to help Thai's they proved through schemes that they were not much better than the Dems. They list the last election when they could not create a government and PPP did. Thaksin is old he is part of the old guard. Rightly or wrongly the people have chosen a new direction. PT can not govern the country because that would mean joining with military and anutin. PT can help be a true party by helping MFP. Any attempt at screwing MFP will be remembered and will be the end of PT 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 A poorly written article difficult to understand exactly what he was saying , but his is what I got. Sour grapes. They won, you lost . Get over it. If you had won would you be sharing power with the looser? Try and work with the winners for a better future for Thailand ,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 hour ago, kingstonkid said: As much as @mojorisn may disagree. The Pt has had numerous chances to help Thai's they proved through schemes that they were not much better than the Dems. They list the last election when they could not create a government and PPP did. Thaksin is old he is part of the old guard. Rightly or wrongly the people have chosen a new direction. PT can not govern the country because that would mean joining with military and anutin. PT can help be a true party by helping MFP. Any attempt at screwing MFP will be remembered and will be the end of PT Some disagree. The 10 million who voted for PT because of the 30 baht health scheme will never desert the party, they argue. Perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingstonkid Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 6 hours ago, bannork said: Some disagree. The 10 million who voted for PT because of the 30 baht health scheme will never desert the party, they argue. Perhaps. Yeah but I think a lot of people will look at the other parties that screw MFP and will kill them at the polls. Also MFP should have learned their mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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