24 minutes ago, JackGats said:

Do we have a stake? More democratic, ie weed  back into the narcotic list? Misandric anti-sex laws? There isn't much "damacracy" has done for me up to now anywhere, except criminalising my fun.

You poor misguided individual, you'll have most of the posters here crying for you.

Obviously Thailand is not a democratic country.  The obvious will of the people is being tossed aside again.  And isn't the prior military takeover of the government treason?  And nothing has happened to the military to date. 

23 minutes ago, h90 said:

What is vote Yellow? There was never any "yellow" party. Could mean to vote for the Democrats but they aren't yellow.

You know very well what 'yellow' is, or 'red' for that matter.

2 hours ago, Expat68 said:

My wife and several Thai friends think the same way as your wife. 

Yes, many Thais are broken after 20+ years of this nonsense. 

40 minutes ago, h90 said:

How many died?

So,if an overwhelming force with guns burst into your house threatening your family ,but you sensibly surrendered to avoid being slaughtered you'd regard that action on your part as excusing the intruders? " No one died"... A very distorted perspective,and you should remind yourself of how the courts would treat armed robbery where no one was actually shot dead. 

15 minutes ago, h90 said:

Fact is the coup against an illegal government (remember it was a caretaker government that was expired) was NOT violent. There was no resistance.

So when someone robs you and puts a gun on your head, but doesnt pull the trigger it's not considered violent?

4 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand’s military and police are preparing for mass protests if Move Forward leader Pita Limjaroenrat is prevented from becoming prime minister.

The EC has given the okay.. lets see what the constitutional court say...

but a second failed attempt at the ballot will not go quietly this time. 

19 minutes ago, h90 said:

Fact is the coup against an illegal government (remember it was a caretaker government that was expired) was NOT violent. There was no resistance.

A woman threatened at knife point by a rapist doesn't resist. So in your book she had consensual sex and wasn't raped....? 

Go, Pita, go. We are behind you, proud of you and trust in you. You are giving us real hope, for a change. Let us hope these greedy, toxic, moronic, backwards, incapable nitwits get the message, and back down. If they do not, if they use the EC, the courts, or their power to prevent Pita from becoming PM, it could result in real disaster. It could be the end of the Thai army as we know it. If they order the soldiers to put down the protests, there could be a mutiny much worse than we are seeing in Burma, where tens of thousands have defected already.

Now, they need to figure out a way to get rid of the corrupt, army appointed senators. ASAP. By whatever means necessary. The youth have prevailed. It is a glorious day in Thailand! If these illigitimate clowns don't act like adults and cooperate, all bets are off. Their health, safety and welfare could be in jeopardy. The people will not tolerate it.

Make their lives so uncomfortable they quit a year early. It just might work.

Prayuth and his utterly hapless and stunningly incompetent army have failed the nation, and he should have admitted the failure, apologized to the nation, and fallen on his sword, metaphorically, by handing in his resignation, in utter humiliation. 

Edited June 26, 20233 yr by spidermike007

44 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

My b/f told me back in 2011-2012 period - when he was doing his conscription service - that, when ORDERED by the officers to vote Yellow in whatever national election it was, "We poor Isaan boys knew what was what and we all voted Red".

 

A lesson there on preparatory work to be done by MF & other progressives if mass protests are likely ...

That was that election in July 2011 that lead to Yingluck being installed as nominee PM for Thaksin. Fortunately the poor Isaan boys now have an alternative to the greedy and corrupt Shinawatra family party that now has no meaningful reform policies, in fact no meaningful policies at all other than to bring the party owner home. No need to vote for family business parties owned by billionaires who might deign to throw a few crumbs of their cake to the poor, if they are lucky. 

According to the article, “military sources say they believe Pita supporters may rally ahead of the PM vote, in a bid to put pressure on senators.”  
 

So the military is saying that MFP supporters may rally to put pressure on senators. Via their scare tactics, are the military themselves not trying to put pressure on the senators? What other possible reason could they have to spread such alarms? 

1 hour ago, h90 said:

We know a guy who lost his leg, thanks to the explosive tear gas grenades.
But what is odd: in Thailand they are first far less violent than in Europe, but than it can escalate more.

I agree but the escalation is apart of the behavior of the police and military.. If you protests in Europe or so the police will not block roads with containers, will not use rubber bullets unless it is getting out of hand.. But Marching on the streets, free to go where they want but controlled by police and army is different than blocking, chemical use, etc and even more worse use a law to arrest people, will make the violence worse... While i Europe there is more accepted  within limits than here.

3 hours ago, h90 said:

If I am the second: I don't condemn peaceful protests.....violence I do condemn.

The right to protest is important and must be protected also for things I don't agree with.

Yes, they have the right to protest peacefully. They also have a right to defend themselves when attacked by people who wish to turn it into a violent confrontation in order to get the result they desire, democracy out, dictatorship in. I hope this time they don't target nurses.

4 hours ago, hughrection said:

They wouldn't dare not allow him to be the PM - would they!

They would. (Doesn't mean that they actually will, but I give Pita a 55% chance to become PM at best; certainly under current political conditions.)

Edited June 26, 20233 yr by StayinThailand2much

1 hour ago, h90 said:

What is vote Yellow? There was never any "yellow" party. Could mean to vote for the Democrats but they aren't yellow.

The Democrats were/are the Yellow party. You need to deny harder.

4 hours ago, h90 said:

yes but there are majorities without MF possible. It is possible to get >250 MPs without them.

Appallingly anti-democratic comment; you distill the very essence of everything the Thai electorate have been fighting against

38 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

Fortunately the poor Isaan boys now have an alternative to the greedy and corrupt Shinawatra family party that now has no meaningful reform policies, in fact no meaningful policies at all other than to bring the party owner home. No need to vote for family business parties owned by billionaires who might deign to throw a few crumbs of their cake to the poor, if they are lucky. 

Establishment probably don't want neither, Shinawatra clan, nor Pita in power. But if they want to stop chaos and further self-enrichment by the former, they won't have another choice but to elect Pita...

1 minute ago, Dcheech said:

The Democrats were/are the Yellow party. You need to deny harder.

The Yellow Shirts were a movement aimed at toppling Shinawatra, Democrats they were not.

 

IMO there will be another military coup, the elites and establishment have too much to lose if democracy actually takes hold.

 

The Thai armed forces have so many flag officers to choose from, to put in the figurehead position. Over 1700 of them.

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The Yellow Shirts were a movement aimed at toppling Shinawatra, Democrats they were not.

 The Yellows were/are the alter ego of the Democratic Party of Thailand. A party which historically has had little to do with democracy. BTW if you are going to try to deflect, up your game.

Let the revolution begin.....

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Simple solution--make Pita PM.

AND do it now, because in reality it will come very soon, why not NOW, and especially since they got very big numbers in the general election. 

4 hours ago, h90 said:

yes but there are majorities without MF possible. It is possible to get >250 MPs without them.

Only if Pt joins the military. Think that rates up there with hell freezing over 

4 hours ago, h90 said:

If I am the second: I don't condemn peaceful protests.....violence I do condemn.

The right to protest is important and must be protected also for things I don't agree with.

If you condemn violence, you must condemn it on all sides. Don't forget, the present govt came into power on the threat of violence ie great huge tanks standing by to take to the streets. Also the violence committed by Suthep's rabble during his mass protests, don't think I've seen you object to that yet.

Saying that, I'm still concerned about Pita's alleged share ownership and why he didn't get rid before the election, if true.

28 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Appallingly anti-democratic comment; you distill the very essence of everything the Thai electorate have been fighting against

A majority in parliament is anti-democratic when it does not include the party you like???

A majority in parliament (not speaking about the Senators) is per definition democratic.

34 minutes ago, Dcheech said:

The Democrats were/are the Yellow party. You need to deny harder.

They were half half.....the most yellowish....but they kept their distance to the movement and got harsh criticized for that. And they were strong anti-military and therefore lost in the yellow areas massive. It is more the WEF globalist party

3 hours ago, Expat68 said:

My wife and several Thai friends think the same way as your wife. 

What an utterly disillusioned race of people then... as undeserving as their northern neighbour-but-one. Where do those feelings go? Internalised. Demoralised. Dehumanised in the case of their northern neighbour.-but-one... Hopefully your wives will be wrong.  

Edited June 26, 20233 yr by Arthur Mullard

11 minutes ago, jesimps said:

If you condemn violence, you must condemn it on all sides. Don't forget, the present govt came into power on the threat of violence ie great huge tanks standing by to take to the streets. Also the violence committed by Suthep's rabble during his mass protests, don't think I've seen you object to that yet.

Saying that, I'm still concerned about Pita's alleged share ownership and why he didn't get rid before the election, if true.

Silly me thought we had an election 2019 in which Prayuth got the most votes and therefore the parliament voted for him....I complete missed the 2019 coup.

Maybe I'm an outlier, but I could see this turning out differently. If Pita/MF doesn't get the PM, their supporters will simply announce they will stop going to work. Shut down BKK and Phuket for a week, I am pretty certain they will win without a drop of blood or single shot fired.

 

But I agree with most, this is just some old ghouls trying to hang on to power, when this political theater is over, they will go away.

5 minutes ago, h90 said:

Silly me thought we had an election 2019 in which Prayuth got the most votes and therefore the parliament voted for him.

Prayuth did not stand for election, hence he did not receive any votes.

 

Palang Prahcarat won 116 seats

Pheu Thai won 136 seats

 

Yes PPP had 23.34 % of the votes, while PTP had 21.92%

 

There are only two (2) directly elected offices in Thailand: Governor of Bangkok, and Governor of Pattaya.

 

 

 

Thailand's military and police are always on stand-by for protests.

 

 

1 hour ago, koolkarl said:

Obviously Thailand is not a democratic country.  The obvious will of the people is being tossed aside again.  And isn't the prior military takeover of the government treason?  And nothing has happened to the military to date. 

....and largely ignored by any discourse and reason. 

Still able to exist without consensus challenging or questioning.