16 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Settle down. It will be DeSantis after Trump grift enough money for himself and opt out of the race. It is all about the money for Trump and his gullible die-hards. 

How much was Trump worth before the election? And now? 

How much was Biden worth before he was VP? And now? 

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How much was Trump worth before the election? And now? 

How much was Biden worth before he was VP? And now? 

You'll be shocked to learn that there's a good chance that these questions and others like them can be answered by using google or some AI application.

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

If Trump died today, by tonight, all the people attacking Trump would be attacking DeSantis. 

 

Are you claiming that the people who are attacking Trump don't also attack Desantis? Is that because it's only possible to disapprove of one Presidential candidate at a time?

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

In my opinion, the left is ruining my once great country

I am not sure which period of US history you consider "great."

Many people look back on the Eisenhower period after the end of the war, a period of peace. A period of growing economic prosperity. Liberalism. 

 

(Be that as it may, even the Democratic Party today is considered conservative or right of center by the rest of the world)

 

What made America pretty good (how do you define great?) in the eyes of many and in the sense of helping society develop, included giving women the vote, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment benefits, the GI Bill, the voting rights act, the civil rights act, the Marshall Plan, the New Deal, Civil Rights (birthed by Republican Eisenhower but enshrined in law by LBJ), the Federal Home Loan Program  and numerous other acts such as creating national parks, the endangered species act, the ACA, paid vacations, the 40 hour working week and the 8 hour working day. 

 

You have probably learned in civics or history lessons that these great ideas were passed by liberals and opposed by conservative Republicans. 

 

You may have to explain to me when was America great and why. 

Edited July 6, 20233 yr by Purdey

18 minutes ago, Purdey said:

I am not sure which period of US history you consider "great."

Many people look back on the Eisenhower period after the end of the war, a period of peace. A period of growing economic prosperity. Liberalism. 

 

(Be that as it may, even the Democratic Party today is considered conservative or right of center by the rest of the world)

 

What made America pretty good (how do you define great?) in the eyes of many and in the sense of helping society develop, included giving women the vote, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment benefits, the GI Bill, the voting rights act, the civil rights act, the Marshall Plan, the New Deal, Civil Rights (birthed by Republican Eisenhower but enshrined in law by LBJ), the Federal Home Loan Program  and numerous other acts such as creating national parks, the endangered species act, the ACA, paid vacations, the 40 hour working week and the 8 hour working day. 

 

You have probably learned in civics or history lessons that these great ideas were passed by liberals and opposed by conservative Republicans. 

 

You may have to explain to me when was America great and why. 

After you

13 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

After you

You got challenged on your characterization that America was once great and instead of forthrightly offering evidence to support it you asked Purdy to go first. The thing is, Purdey offered no such characterization. So why is it incumbent on him to offer evidence to support a characterization he never made?

29 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You got challenged on your characterization that America was once great and instead of forthrightly offering evidence to support it you asked Purdy to go first. The thing is, Purdey offered no such characterization. So why is it incumbent on him to offer evidence to support a characterization he never made?

I have no interest in trying to convince anyone that thinks the US was never great to convince them that it once was. 

Just now, Yellowtail said:

I have no interest in trying to convince anyone that thinks the US was never great to convince them that it once was. 

They didn't ask to be convinced. Just asked for evidence. Instead you offered an evasive reply.

17 hours ago, placeholder said:

For those of you don't want the commentary, the video in question begins at 4:22 

I wonder if his primary legacy will be: "at least he made the trains run on time"!

27 minutes ago, placeholder said:

They didn't ask to be convinced. Just asked for evidence. Instead you offered an evasive reply.

Evidence they would just discount, because they are already convinced. Putting any effort into providing evidence to someone on a chat-board that that will not be convinced is a waste of time. Again, I have no interest in trying to convince anyone that thinks the US was never great to convince them that it once was. 

 

Even President Biden thinks (or at least pretends to think) it was a great country, he just thinks (or at least pretends to think) that it's still great. 

19 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Yeah, I see a lot of Democrats criticizing Biden here.

 

There are a lot of things I do not like about Trump, and there seems to be more and more things everyday, but I still like Trump more than I like the left. 

 

If Trump died today, by tonight, all the people attacking Trump would be attacking DeSantis. 

 

In my opinion, the left is ruining my once great country and I'll hold my nose and vote for anyone I think will slow that down. 

You still like Trump more than you like the left. It doesn’t bother you that every time he opens his mouth it’s to whine and moan about the 2020 election being stolen from him? Or maybe you agree with him about that?
 

Apart from that, this is the guy who recently put Obama’s home address on Truth Social, knowing full well that he was painting a bulls eye on the Obama family. And what do you know, some deranged MAGA freak, on his way to that house, got caught by the police, with two guns, 400 rounds of ammo and a machete. Guess where that lunatic was going, as instructed by his lord and master?

And yet you still prefer that guy over the left? What horrible things did the left do to justify such a petty, low and cowardly thing that Trump did?

7 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

You still like Trump more than you like the left. It doesn’t bother you that every time he opens his mouth it’s to whine and moan about the 2020 election being stolen from him? Or maybe you agree with him about that?
 

Apart from that, this is the guy who recently put Obama’s home address on Truth Social, knowing full well that he was painting a bulls eye on the Obama family. And what do you know, some deranged MAGA freak, on his way to that house, got caught by the police, with two guns, 400 rounds of ammo and a machete. Guess where that lunatic was going, as instructed by his lord and master?

And yet you still prefer that guy over the left? What horrible things did the left do to justify such a petty, low and cowardly thing that Trump did?

Magadonianism is a cult.

Don't look for rationality.

You won't find it.

2 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

You still like Trump more than you like the left. It doesn’t bother you that every time he opens his mouth it’s to whine and moan about the 2020 election being stolen from him? Or maybe you agree with him about that?

It matters to me, and I don't like it, but what he's doing does not bother me as much as what the left does. 

 

2 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Apart from that, this is the guy who recently put Obama’s home address on Truth Social, knowing full well that he was painting a bulls eye on the Obama family. And what do you know, some deranged MAGA freak, on his way to that house, got caught by the police, with two guns, 400 rounds of ammo and a machete. Guess where that lunatic was going, as instructed by his lord and master?

No one seemed to care about people putting targets on Trump, holding up severed heads and whatnot, that was all great. No one gave a whit about people threatening Trump. 

2 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

And yet you still prefer that guy over the left? What horrible things did the left do to justify such a petty, low and cowardly thing that Trump did?

In my opinion, the left is ruining my once great country, stopping that is more important to me.

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It matters to me, and I don't like it, but what he's doing does not bother me as much as what the left does. 

 

No one seemed to care about people putting targets on Trump, holding up severed heads and whatnot, that was all great. No one gave a whit about people threatening Trump. 

In my opinion, the left is ruining my once great country, stopping that is more important to me.

Who put targets on Trump? Obama? Biden? Clinton? How?

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It matters to me, and I don't like it, but what he's doing does not bother me as much as what the left does. 

 

No one seemed to care about people putting targets on Trump, holding up severed heads and whatnot, that was all great. No one gave a whit about people threatening Trump. 

In my opinion, the left is ruining my once great country, stopping that is more important to me.

Ask Kathy Griffin if nobody cared.

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It matters to me, and I don't like it, but what he's doing does not bother me as much as what the left does. 

 

No one seemed to care about people putting targets on Trump, holding up severed heads and whatnot, that was all great. No one gave a whit about people threatening Trump. 

 

It's no wonder you believe the things you do considering how ill-informed you seem to be:

 

CNN fires Kathy Griffin over offensive Donald Trump photo

A day after Griffin released a picture holding a mock "decapitated" head of President Trump shot by self-proclaimed "provocateur" photographer Tyler Shields, CNN announced Wednesday that they have terminated their decade-long contract with the comedian to appear with Anderson Cooper on New Year's Eve.

"CNN has terminated our agreement with Kathy Griffin to appear on our New Year's Eve program," spokesman Shimrit Sheetrit confirmed to USA TODAY in a statement Wednesday.

The network used even stronger language a day earlier: "We found what she did disgusting and offensive," read a statement sent to USA TODAY Tuesday night by Sheetrit.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2017/05/31/cnn-fires-kathy-griffin-over-offensive-trump-photo/102349176/

 

Kathy Griffin: Life After The Trump Severed Head Controversy

When she posed in 2017 with a mock-severed head of President Trump, comedian Kathy Griffin's career crumbled. She's out with a film: Kathy Griffin: A Hell of a Story, about life after the controversy.

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/23/716258113/kathy-griffin-life-after-the-trump-severed-head-controversy

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's no wonder you believe the things you do considering how ill-informed you seem to be:

 

CNN fires Kathy Griffin over offensive Donald Trump photo

A day after Griffin released a picture holding a mock "decapitated" head of President Trump shot by self-proclaimed "provocateur" photographer Tyler Shields, CNN announced Wednesday that they have terminated their decade-long contract with the comedian to appear with Anderson Cooper on New Year's Eve.

"CNN has terminated our agreement with Kathy Griffin to appear on our New Year's Eve program," spokesman Shimrit Sheetrit confirmed to USA TODAY in a statement Wednesday.

The network used even stronger language a day earlier: "We found what she did disgusting and offensive," read a statement sent to USA TODAY Tuesday night by Sheetrit.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2017/05/31/cnn-fires-kathy-griffin-over-offensive-trump-photo/102349176/

 

Kathy Griffin: Life After The Trump Severed Head Controversy

When she posed in 2017 with a mock-severed head of President Trump, comedian Kathy Griffin's career crumbled. She's out with a film: Kathy Griffin: A Hell of a Story, about life after the controversy.

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/23/716258113/kathy-griffin-life-after-the-trump-severed-head-controversy

 

 

 

Yeah and sadly I totally lost respect for Anderson Cooper after that. Fair weather friend. Fink!

 

38 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's no wonder you believe the things you do considering how ill-informed you seem to be:

 

CNN fires Kathy Griffin over offensive Donald Trump photo

A day after Griffin released a picture holding a mock "decapitated" head of President Trump shot by self-proclaimed "provocateur" photographer Tyler Shields, CNN announced Wednesday that they have terminated their decade-long contract with the comedian to appear with Anderson Cooper on New Year's Eve.

"CNN has terminated our agreement with Kathy Griffin to appear on our New Year's Eve program," spokesman Shimrit Sheetrit confirmed to USA TODAY in a statement Wednesday.

The network used even stronger language a day earlier: "We found what she did disgusting and offensive," read a statement sent to USA TODAY Tuesday night by Sheetrit.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2017/05/31/cnn-fires-kathy-griffin-over-offensive-trump-photo/102349176/

 

Kathy Griffin: Life After The Trump Severed Head Controversy

When she posed in 2017 with a mock-severed head of President Trump, comedian Kathy Griffin's career crumbled. She's out with a film: Kathy Griffin: A Hell of a Story, about life after the controversy.

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/23/716258113/kathy-griffin-life-after-the-trump-severed-head-controversy

 

I remember CNN distancing themselves, and her getting "fired" from her once-a-year gig, I don't remember any outrage. Were you outraged? 

 

As far as her being blacklisted, if you look at IMDb, it does not look like she was really doing much before that either. Just another old comedian that was never funny. 

 

Thanks for the link, her eye-rolling apology was hilarious. 

Edited July 7, 20233 yr by Yellowtail
clarity

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah and sadly I totally lost respect for Anderson Cooper after that. Fair weather friend. Fink!

Right. He should have held up both Trump and Melania's severed heads in solidarity! 

17 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I remember her getting fired, I dont 

 

I remember CNN distancing themselves, and her getting "fired" from her once-a-year gig, I don't remember any outrage. Were you outraged? 

 

As far as her being blacklisted, if you look at IMDb, it does not look like she was really doing much before that either. Just another old comedian that was never funny. 

 

Thanks for the link, her eye-rolling apology was hilarious. 

She actually was.

14 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Right. He should have held up both Trump and Melania's severed heads in solidarity! 

You know full well it was just an ill advised photo project not any kind if real threat.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

She actually was.

She was what? Not funny? I know. 

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You know full well it was just an ill advised photo project not any kind if real threat.

I know that everything the left does is some sort of ill-advised mistake, and everything the right does is a direct threat to democracy, 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

I know that everything the left does is some sort of ill-advised mistake, and everything the right does is a direct threat to democracy, 

Your words.

Not mine.

The fact is most domestic terrorists are right wing white nationalist types.

It was an analysis item not a news item. 

What specifically was incorrect in its analysis, from your POV?

Edited July 8, 20233 yr by Pink Mist
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This is why the Republicans are clinging to so desperately to the Hunter nothing burger. They don't care that there's no there there, they've got nothing else and it looks like they are stuck with Trump as their candidate and he will have to face Biden. They can't really talk Trump up, they need to attack Biden.

Great is impossible to quantify, and the US has always had problems. But I think the 80’s was the best decade in my lifetime. The 50’s sounded like the best decade in my parent’s lifetime. Optimism was in the air and the future was so bright you had to wear shades ????. 
 

The current political culture is just disgusting, fueled by narrative spin from the media on both the left and right. I’ve stopped watching most all news out of the US for that reason. I have friends who are both liberal and conservative, and I can almost always find some common ground with both. 

1 hour ago, FarAngMoh said:

Great is impossible to quantify, and the US has always had problems. But I think the 80’s was the best decade in my lifetime. The 50’s sounded like the best decade in my parent’s lifetime. Optimism was in the air and the future was so bright you had to wear shades ????. 
 

The current political culture is just disgusting, fueled by narrative spin from the media on both the left and right. I’ve stopped watching most all news out of the US for that reason. I have friends who are both liberal and conservative, and I can almost always find some common ground with both. 

Same here except the 70's was the best decade of my lifetime. Or maybe the 80's, they were both good. So is this decade for that matter.

 

Most of my friends are conservative simply because most people my age are conservative. Yep, the enlightened flower power hippies of my youth turned into grinches. I tell people I'm just a bit to the left of Karl Marx.

The western world is still great, so many fantastic things done right for almost 100 years. But over time, all corporations in all western countries have become more and more evil, and have way too much money and power. 

 

In today's western world, it seems that about 10% have it real good, while the other 90% fight for table scraps. Both the people and the politicians are slaves to the corporations. And now it's time for the people, not the politicians, to rise up and crush their masters, before it's too late. 

11 minutes ago, Furioso said:

The western world is still great, so many fantastic things done right for almost 100 years. But over time, all corporations in all western countries have become more and more evil, and have way too much money and power. 

 

In today's western world, it seems that about 10% have it real good, while the other 90% fight for table scraps. Both the people and the politicians are slaves to the corporations. And now it's time for the people, not the politicians, to rise up and crush their masters, before it's too late. 

Mega corporations are what's wrong with this world. They are singularly responsible for the widening wealth gap between the rich and the poor. The disappearance of the corner store and hardware shops are symbolic of the rot. Greater concentration of retail and commerce in general in fewer and fewer companies is a major problem. America's (and other countries) anti-trust laws have failed it. Furthermore, most of the mega corps pay very little taxes. I knew we had passed a turning point when the world's richest man put a car into space playing a stereo in a vacuum just because he could.