Just now, Yellowtail said:

That's what I thought. It was a pretty simple question that only asked for a number, if you actually know, why not just say? 

Should be flattered that you prefer my word to that of the Orlando Sentinel? Your objection is ridiculous.

Did Trump let Americans die purely for political purposes?

 

The most unreported story of the pandemic, the one that seems destined to be overlooked as histories are being written, is what Trump did when he learned the Covid coronavirus was largely killing Black and Hispanic people and mostly sparing whites.

 

The moment he came to that realization he completely altered the US response to the pandemic, leading to the unnecessary death of 300,000 to 500,000 Americans.

 

Deaths that he and his advisors apparently believed (correctly) would be, outside of nursing home residents, disproportionately Black and Hispanic people.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-kushner-response/

 

 

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Did Trump let Americans die purely for political purposes?

 

The most unreported story of the pandemic, the one that seems destined to be overlooked as histories are being written, is what Trump did when he learned the Covid coronavirus was largely killing Black and Hispanic people and mostly sparing whites.

 

The moment he came to that realization he completely altered the US response to the pandemic, leading to the unnecessary death of 300,000 to 500,000 Americans.

 

Deaths that he and his advisors apparently believed (correctly) would be, outside of nursing home residents, disproportionately Black and Hispanic people.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-kushner-response/

 

 

How many lived did the Trump vaccines save? Oh, and how many old folks did Cuomo send to die? 

 

 

On 7/6/2023 at 9:27 AM, Berkshire said:

It's amazing that the whole of the Republican party cannot find another person to realistically challenge Trump....a twice impeached, twice indicted, failed businessman, lying conman, and horrible President. 

Agree.  Republicans need better choices.  So do Democrats.

18 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Agree.  Republicans need better choices.  So do Democrats.

Trump through his incompetence and mental illness (he couldn’t get out of the way) literally killed 10s of thousands of Americans period all stop unfortunately that’s the sad truth.Joe Biden has achieved remarkable success in legislation chips,infrastructure,drug prices ,inflation ,ect ect ect,he has revitalized nato and increased its size considerably with the addition of Finland and soon Sweden both advanced tec savy advanced nations stood tall for American ideals.yes he is old yes we wish he was younger that beeing said he’s gotten good solid results for America.trump brings destruction and ruin.the choice as it stands is obvious 

Edited July 14, 20232 yr by Tug

A toxic campaign of total lies, total twists and untruths ...

40 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How many lived did the Trump vaccines save? Oh, and how many old folks did Cuomo send to die? 

 

 

The Trump vaccine? Hilarious. 

19 minutes ago, Tug said:

Trump through his incompetence and mental illness (he couldn’t get out of the way) literally killed 10s of thousands of Americans period all stop unfortunately that’s the sad truth.Joe Biden has achieved remarkable success in legislation chips,infrastructure,drug prices ,inflation ,ect ect ect,he has revitalized nato and increased its size considerably with the addition of Finland and soon Sweden both advanced tec savy advanced nations stood tall for American ideals.yes he is old yes we wish he was younger that beeing said he’s gotten good solid results for America.trump brings destruction and ruin.the choice as it stands is obvious 

Uhh, have there not been more covid deaths under Biden than under Trump? 

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Uhh, have there not been more covid deaths under Biden than under Trump? 

Can you provide actual numbers? How many covid deaths under Trump, and how many covid deaths under Biden? I would be very interested to see those numbers. Thanks!

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10 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Not so fast. Links must be provided to avoid a report.

Again, 424,307 covid deaths under Trump, over 580,000 covid deaths under Biden so far.

 

Thanks for the tip, actually this is a year old, I think Biden's up to over 800K now. That's an integer if you were wondering...

Biden Claims Too Much Credit for Decline in COVID-19 Deaths - FactCheck.org

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28 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Again, 424,307 covid deaths under Trump, over 580,000 covid deaths under Biden so far.

 

Thanks for the tip, actually this is a year old, I think Biden's up to over 800K now. That's an integer if you were wondering...

Biden Claims Too Much Credit for Decline in COVID-19 Deaths - FactCheck.org

False

 

While the number of deaths from COVID in the U.S. under president Biden is on course to top the death count during the Trump administration, it has not yet done so. Around 379,000 people have died in the U.S. from COVID since January 20, when Biden took over as president, around 45,000 fewer than under Trump.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-have-more-americans-died-covid-under-joe-biden-donald-trump-1661528

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

False

 

While the number of deaths from COVID in the U.S. under president Biden is on course to top the death count during the Trump administration, it has not yet done so. Around 379,000 people have died in the U.S. from COVID since January 20, when Biden took over as president, around 45,000 fewer than under Trump.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-have-more-americans-died-covid-under-joe-biden-donald-trump-1661528

It’s a bit like comparing apples and oranges as well. We’re talking maybe 8-9 months of Trump presidency (from April 2020 until December 2020) and 17 months of Biden. 

21 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

False

 

While the number of deaths from COVID in the U.S. under president Biden is on course to top the death count during the Trump administration, it has not yet done so. Around 379,000 people have died in the U.S. from COVID since January 20, when Biden took over as president, around 45,000 fewer than under Trump.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-have-more-americans-died-covid-under-joe-biden-donald-trump-1661528

And it would have been a lot less under Biden if not for the vaccinophobia found predominantly among right-wingers that resulted in 10s of thousands of entirely avoidable deaths. The Republican party should retire the elephant as their symbol and replace it with the lemming.

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14 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

False

 

While the number of deaths from COVID in the U.S. under president Biden is on course to top the death count during the Trump administration, it has not yet done so. Around 379,000 people have died in the U.S. from COVID since January 20, when Biden took over as president, around 45,000 fewer than under Trump.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-have-more-americans-died-covid-under-joe-biden-donald-trump-1661528

You're hilarious. Check the date of yours, and the date of the one I linked to. 

 

The US is up to 1,168,610 deaths, subtract the 424,307 that died under Trump, and that means 744,303 People have died of covid under Biden. 

 

Over 75% more people have died of covid under Biden than under Trump. 

 

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You're hilarious. Check the date of yours, and the date of the one I linked to. 

 

The US is up to 1,168,610 deaths, subtract the 424,307 that died under Trump, and that means 744,303 People have died of covid under Biden. 

 

Over 75% more people have died of covid under Biden than under Trump. 

 

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

Divided by how many days under each from the time covid was first detected in the US?

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You're hilarious. Check the date of yours, and the date of the one I linked to. 

 

The US is up to 1,168,610 deaths, subtract the 424,307 that died under Trump, and that means 744,303 People have died of covid under Biden. 

 

Over 75% more people have died of covid under Biden than under Trump. 

 

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

Its a shame so many more died in the red states.

 

Covid death rates are higher among Republicans than Democrats, mounting evidence shows
Lower vaccination rates among Republicans could explain the partisan gap, but some researchers say mask use and social distancing were bigger factors.

The Yale researchers behind the new working paper say vaccine hesitancy among Republicans may be the biggest culprit.

"In counties where a large share of the population is getting vaccinated, we see a much smaller gap between Republicans and Democrats," said Jacob Wallace, an author of that study and an assistant professor of health policy at the Yale School of Public Health.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-death-rates-higher-republicans-democrats-why-rcna50883

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You're hilarious. Check the date of yours, and the date of the one I linked to. 

 

The US is up to 1,168,610 deaths, subtract the 424,307 that died under Trump, and that means 744,303 People have died of covid under Biden. 

 

Over 75% more people have died of covid under Biden than under Trump. 

 

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

Well, when you've got loons telling politically paranoid people not to get vaccinated, what do you expect? The more people who voted for trump in a district, the more who went unvaccinated.

This is how many lives could have been saved with COVID vaccinations in each state

Nearly 319,000 COVID-19 deaths could have been averted if all adults had gotten vaccinated

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Uhh, have there not been more covid deaths under Biden than under Trump? 

You can’t put the chicken back in the egg,obviously once the highly contagious virus was lose it continued to infect people with trumps complete disregard for proper safety protocols and attacks on those that did cost many their lives it was in my opinion a gross dereliction of duty in the highest order once it was out .the one thing that got it under control was the aggressive organized vaccination program created by the Biden administration as the trump infected people cryed wailed (and died) Trump literally caused the needless deaths of 10s of thousands of Americans period all stop .fact.

30 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, when you've got loons telling politically paranoid people not to get vaccinated, what do you expect? The more people who voted for trump in a district, the more who went unvaccinated.

This is how many lives could have been saved with COVID vaccinations in each state

Nearly 319,000 COVID-19 deaths could have been averted if all adults had gotten vaccinated

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta

Good thing Trump pushed that vaccine though, huh? 

25 minutes ago, Tug said:

You can’t put the chicken back in the egg,obviously once the highly contagious virus was lose it continued to infect people with trumps complete disregard for proper safety protocols and attacks on those that did cost many their lives it was in my opinion a gross dereliction of duty in the highest order once it was out .the one thing that got it under control was the aggressive organized vaccination program created by the Biden administration as the trump infected people cryed wailed (and died) Trump literally caused the needless deaths of 10s of thousands of Americans period all stop .fact.

Too bad Biden and so many other were opposed to stopping flights from China to the US. 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Good thing Trump pushed that vaccine though, huh? 

The work on the vaccine began as soon as scientists got hold of the complete RNA model of the virus in January of 2019. Trump has nothing to do with that. In addition, one of the 2 main mRNA vaccines was developed in Germany and had nothing to do with the USA or Trump. And, anyway, are you seriously suggesting that if someone else had been President full speed ahead work on the vaccine wouldn't have happened? Because it was Trump who invented the concept of vaccination?

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A post making unsubstantiated claims has been removed along with replies.

 

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Too bad Biden and so many other were opposed to stopping flights from China to the US. 

Please, show us a quote of Biden "opposed to stopping flights from China!".

10 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Did Trump let Americans die purely for political purposes?

 

The most unreported story of the pandemic, the one that seems destined to be overlooked as histories are being written, is what Trump did when he learned the Covid coronavirus was largely killing Black and Hispanic people and mostly sparing whites.

 

The moment he came to that realization he completely altered the US response to the pandemic, leading to the unnecessary death of 300,000 to 500,000 Americans.

 

Deaths that he and his advisors apparently believed (correctly) would be, outside of nursing home residents, disproportionately Black and Hispanic people.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-kushner-response/

 

 

I can't get past the "Donate" page on this link.

5 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Good thing Trump pushed that vaccine though, huh? 

When was the last time Trump promoted or "pushed" any vaccine?

 

Do you think he'll be promoting vaccinations as part of his Presidential campaign?

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3 hours ago, heybruce said:

When was the last time Trump promoted or "pushed" any vaccine?

 

Do you think he'll be promoting vaccinations as part of his Presidential campaign?

Actually, when Trump got his covid vaccine in January in the White House, he didn't disclose it. Biden made sure that the media was there to record his vaccination.

33 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually, when Trump got his covid vaccine in January in the White House, he didn't disclose it. Biden made sure that the media was there to record his vaccination.

Wasn't that when Biden claimed there was no vaccine before he took office? 

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

When was the last time Trump promoted or "pushed" any vaccine?

It's been about two years, I think. Why would he? 

 

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

 

Do you think he'll be promoting vaccinations as part of his Presidential campaign?

No. Do you the Biden will be bragging about all the vaccine mandates? 

40 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It's been about two years, I think. Why would he? 

 

No. Do you the Biden will be bragging about all the vaccine mandates? 

Trump's defenders say he may be rude and crude but he says what he believes. Which is why after being booed by his supporters for claiming credit for the vaccines, he's keeping his mouth shut?

As for Biden bragging about covid mandates during the pandemic, we'll have to wait and see, won't we?