Thailand detects new coronavirus subvariant EG.5.1

[MrJ2U]

1 hour ago, anrcaccount said:

Not sure of your country - but am aware a number of schools in Thailand still implementing masking and testing policies. Both amongst students and staff. 

 

Not universal sure, rare in international schools, but still there.

 

Along the same lines - where else in the world where do the major convenience stores and supermarkets implement compulsory face coverings for staff? 

 

Healthy 18 year olds working their first job at Makro and 7-11 forced to wear a face covering all shift, comes across pretty absurd at this point. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't be such a drama queen.

 

Masks might be required but that's because people can be vectors. (Do you know what a vector is? probably not).

 

Masks are proven to help stop the spread of the virus.  There's elderly and compramised people they come into contact with everyday.  

 

If you don't have kids in school why would kids wearing masks bother you?

Odd. 

 

If your offended by masks so much don't wear one.

Simple.  

 

 

Time for you to move on from your mask obsession.  It's a nonstarter. 

 

Too many conspiracy theorists out there, don't join them.  

 

 

 

 

Edited July 16, 2023 by MrJ2U

[Myran]

On 7/15/2023 at 11:32 AM, alien365 said:

Can I label these subvariants as common colds yet without receiving a backlash from others about their severity? 

Absolutely. You can also refer to Ferraris as Fords, oranges as apples, and Tom Hanks as Flippity-floppety-floo.

[MrJ2U]

On 7/15/2023 at 4:40 PM, anrcaccount said:

As usual - you cherry pick the worst statistics, while failing to acknowledge the very good news, which show a huge decrease in cases and deaths globally. From the source:

 

"At the regional level, the number of newly reported cases within a 28-day period has decreased across all six WHO regions: the Eastern Mediterranean Region (-77%), the South-East Asia Region (-67%), the European Region (-65%), the Region of the Americas (-45%), the Western Pacific Region (-36%), and the African Region (-31%). The number of newly reported deaths within a 28-day period has decreased across five regions: the European Region (-67%), the Eastern Mediterranean Region (-60%), the South-East Asia Region (-57%), the Western Pacific Region (-23%), and the Region of the Americas (-19%); while deaths increased in the African Region (+43%).

Many countries like Thailand aren't reporting Covid casesor deaths anymore.

Bad for tourism.

 

"The Public Health Ministry will stop its daily reports on new COVID-19 cases and fatalities related to the disease on Oct 1 when COVID-19 will be defined as a communicable disease under surveillance instead of a dangerous communicable disease."

 

https://www.pattayamail.com/thailandnews/thailand-to-stop-reporting-daily-covid-cases-on-oct-1-411736

[Pink Mist]

A vaccine misinformation post and a troll reply have been removed 

[Eleftheros]

8 hours ago, rabas said:

No, they use the whole spike.

 

"The uniting feature of current genetic COVID-19 vaccines is the provision of mRNAs for the whole, membrane-anchored spike protein" [ref]

 

Vaccines don't use the spike itself - they deliver messenger RNA which causes cells to produce the S protein (the spike), as the very next sentence in the article you referred to explicitly notes:

 

"RNA vaccines contain fully functional mRNAs that can be translated directly into the S protein,"

 

This process is then described in more detail in the subsequent paragraph.

 

"They contain codon-optimized sequences for efficient expression of the full-length S protein and use the authentic signal sequence for its biosynthesis."

 

(Emphasis mine)

 

There is no spike protein in the vaccines themselves.

[jacko45k]

15 hours ago, freedomnow said:

Over and over ? I have not been wheeling out any such thing repeatedly.

 

Quote your source that they all died from covid on its own.

 

 

And again!

 

[h90]

9 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

Vaccines don't use the spike itself - they deliver messenger RNA which causes cells to produce the S protein (the spike), as the very next sentence in the article you referred to explicitly notes:

 

"RNA vaccines contain fully functional mRNAs that can be translated directly into the S protein,"

 

This process is then described in more detail in the subsequent paragraph.

 

"They contain codon-optimized sequences for efficient expression of the full-length S protein and use the authentic signal sequence for its biosynthesis."

 

(Emphasis mine)

 

There is no spike protein in the vaccines themselves.

In the Chinese vaccines it is...but don't know the relevance of that

[h90]

6 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

Don't be such a drama queen.

 

Masks might be required but that's because people can be vectors. (Do you know what a vector is? probably not).

 

Masks are proven to help stop the spread of the virus.  There's elderly and compramised people they come into contact with everyday.  

 

If you don't have kids in school why would kids wearing masks bother you?

Odd. 

 

If your offended by masks so much don't wear one.

Simple.  

 

 

Time for you to move on from your mask obsession.  It's a nonstarter. 

 

Too many conspiracy theorists out there, don't join them.  

 

 

 

 

It is over.....we can't wear masks till the end of time, because some virus is around, even if they would work.

[rabas]

1 hour ago, Eleftheros said:

Vaccines don't use the spike itself - they deliver messenger RNA which causes cells to produce the S protein (the spike), as the very next sentence in the article you referred to explicitly notes:

 

"RNA vaccines contain fully functional mRNAs that can be translated directly into the S protein,"

 

This process is then described in more detail in the subsequent paragraph.

 

"They contain codon-optimized sequences for efficient expression of the full-length S protein and use the authentic signal sequence for its biosynthesis."

 

(Emphasis mine)

 

There is no spike protein in the vaccines themselves.

No one said mRNA vaccines contain spike proteins, the mRNA is a genetic code for the viral spike protein. The question was: do they use (produce) all or part of the spike? The  quote I posted from Nature answers the question.

 

"The uniting feature of current genetic COVID-19 vaccines is the provision of mRNAs for the whole, membrane-anchored spike protein"

Perhaps you misunderstood the term "provision of mRNAs" for the spike protein. This means they provide only the code and not the protein. In scientific parlance 'spike' can equally refer to the mRNA code or its expressed protein.

Edited July 17, 2023 by rabas

[Eleftheros]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

No one said mRNA vaccines contain spike proteins,

I was responding to a poster who wrote: "Spike proteins isn't that in vaccines?"

 

The answer is: No, it isn't.

[h90]

4 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

I was responding to a poster who wrote: "Spike proteins isn't that in vaccines?"

 

The answer is: No, it isn't.

Answer is: yes in some it is...specially in Thailand

[Eleftheros]

6 minutes ago, h90 said:

Answer is: yes in some it is...specially in Thailand

Well, the main Chinese vaccines contain the full virus which has been inactivated, which is the traditional delivery method for vaccines in the past.

 

So I guess you could argue it either way; it does contain an inactivated spike protein but it is not just the spike protein, there's a complete viral structure in the Sinovac vaccine.

 

I interpreted the original question as asking something like: "Do they inject you with spike protein?" to which my answer would be: Technically, no.

[h90]

15 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

Well, the main Chinese vaccines contain the full virus which has been inactivated, which is the traditional delivery method for vaccines in the past.

 

So I guess you could argue it either way; it does contain an inactivated spike protein but it is not just the spike protein, there's a complete viral structure in the Sinovac vaccine.

 

I interpreted the original question as asking something like: "Do they inject you with spike protein?" to which my answer would be: Technically, no.

yes you are correct....there were some vaccine candidates, that were tested in at least Germany with just the spike protein, but I don't know if any where ever officially used.

These used in Thailand were either complete virus deactivated, or DNA vaccine (Astra Zeneka or rebranded version of it) or modified mRNA vaccines (Moderna, Pfizer). No spike protein vaccine for mass application as long as I know.

[MrJ2U]

4 hours ago, h90 said:

It is over.....we can't wear masks till the end of time, because some virus is around, even if they would work.

Thanks doctor. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

17 hours ago, alien365 said:

 

''Similarly, in the U.S., CDC dataTrusted Source showed that COVID-19 was the sole cause of only about 5% of listed COVID-19 deaths.''

 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-and-what-does-this-mean#Excess-deaths

 

 

 

You left out the following paragraph of the source article you quoted above... which bears on your supposed point:

 

"When doctors determine that COVID-19 is not the sole cause of death, they record other causes on the death certificate. In the U.S., at least 90% of such recorded deaths had COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death rather than a contributing cause."

 

So in the vast majority of those cases, doctors are in fact determining that COVID was the main cause, "underlying cause," of death even when other factors are present.

 

When COVID kills people, it's typically does so thru OTHER medical problems that it causes, which also end up being listed on the death certificates of those people.

 

As your source article correctly notes:

 

"COVID-19 can lead to multiple problems — pneumonia, respiratory failure, blood clots, stroke, and heart attack — any of which might cause death. And most of those who die after contracting COVID-19 have one or more comorbidities."

 

So yes, even when there are other newly caused medical problems listed or preexisiting conditions, COVID still ends up being the factor that triggers the death.

 

Thus the 5% figure you quoted, out of context, above is simply misleading to try to prove a false, misinformation point.

 

 

Edited July 17, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The Thai MoPH is out today with their latest data on new COVID hospitalizations and deaths for last week, and the news is good in that both figures continued to decline from the prior week, as follows (new weekly hospitalizations in red, and new weekly deaths in dark gray):

 

Two weeks ago -  July 2-8:

 

Last week - July 9-15:

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/posts/pfbid0mq3QsXM5BtHrG1997wnKFcsFo6yt4PnjEiHwcFi4WPfHrCsyTdoGBhhQffz8eraRl

 

At the same time, however, there was very little change in the numbers of COVID cases listed as seriously ill in hospitals (serious condition COVID cases in dark purple remained unchanged, and COVID cases requiring intubation in light purple declined slightly):

 

Two weeks ago:

Last week:

https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/

 

 

Edited July 17, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Letseng]

On 7/15/2023 at 11:58 AM, stoner said:

great news. 

Mild symptoms still can do damage to yr system or leave you with LC. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Latest weekly COVID update today from the Thai Ministry of Public Health -- a continuing decline in both new COVID hospitalizations (556 - red) and COVID deaths (8 - dark gray). Good news!

 

The latest weekly COVID hospitalizations tally is Thailand's lowest figure since the middle of April prior to Song Kran. The latest weekly COVID deaths tally is Thailand's lowest figure since the week just after Song Kran.

 

Two weeks ago -- July 9-15:

 

Last week -- July 16 - 22:

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/posts/pfbid02b9QVp1YWD2FZ8Eb85ZMBRDEUxHo7zdKsPX9StpSvVvM6URB6r5sr1ZW5DuayigBl

 

Also declines in the numbers of COVID patients hospitalized in serious condition (dark purple) and requiring intubation to breathe (light purple):

 

July 15, 2023:

 

July 22, 2023:

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/

 

Edited July 24, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK