23 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Trow mud? Think it is a bit more serious than that: Donald Trump risks 40 years in prison if found guilty of latest charges (msn.com) What do you mean by old laws? Should they only use laws that were written in the last 3 months?

He is 80yo. Wont last 10.

11 minutes ago, bignok said:

He is 80yo. Wont last 10.

And?most countries would have handeled this long ago 

On 7/27/2023 at 5:49 PM, seajae said:

jack smith as a laugh at best, he has had several cases he has run overturned because they were absolute rubish, he has been rubbished by the supreme court before trumps add ons, all of them voted against smith even the dem appointments, he has an exceptionally bad name as he uses old laws and tries to widen what they actually mean to attack republicans then has them all overturned,the same will happen here as he is trying to widen what the statute actually means to suit himself, thing is because he only goes after republicans the dems love him even if he doesnt win, all they are trying to do is throw mud at trump before the election, will be interesting to see what happens especially if republicans win the next election then take the doj  for partisan charges etc, I can see a few dems facing charges out of all this garbage

 

Probably not a good idea to post while under the influence of kool aide or alcohol?

There is only one real reason trump is being indicted on such a wide variety of crimes.  It is because trump has committed a wide variety of crimes and has left behind enough hard evidence to be found guilty.  Failure to prosecute such blatant criminal acts like obstruction of justice (to name one that is easily provable) would violate the integrity of the entire judicial system.

 

Whine all you want about biden but the bottom line is if you can't do the time then don't do the crime...and if you absolutely must do a variety of crimes by all means grow a brain and don't provide evidence over and over by running your big mouth....and really donnie, you tell a couple of low level guys to wipe security cameras (a few days before you know the feds are coming to look again for docs you lied about and have not turned over) who then tell others who will no doubt testify to that?

 

  Do innocent people wipe security cameras if they have nothing to hide?  Oh did donnie just

happen to wake up one morning (right before the feds were coming) and decide to call a low level employee and talk for 24 minutes about the weather and then that employee contacts the IT person and says the boss wants the camera wiped....and by BOSS i doubt he was referring to Bruce Springstein....really donnie...you thought you would get away with such colossal stupidity?  WOW.

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

And how did that work out? Was it a hoax like the left claimed that the bidens were receiving huge amounts of money from Burisma that they could not account for, as Trump claimed? Should he have been impeached when he was factually correct in his assertions? Are the left embarrassed that the laptop was already verified by the FBI in 2019 and they had the FD1032 so they KNEW there was a there there and let the impeachment fiasco go ahead?

 

 These new charges look clearly political to me. Every time there is devastating news for the bidens and conspiracy theories coming true, they rush out some more BS charges against President Trump while censoring comparison to another "thief" of "stolen" classified material who never had Presidential power to take any.

 

"Was it a hoax like the left claimed that the bidens were receiving huge amounts of money from Burisma that they could not account for, as Trump claimed?" 

False. Who denied that Hunter Biden was receiving huge amounts of money from Burisma? Another falsehood from you.  There is no good evidence that "the Bidens" received huge amounts of money from Burisma. Only Hunter Biden. Another falsehood from you. 

As for the claim that the FBI had already verified the laptop? Even if true, and that would be odd given who was running the Justice Dept, there is nothing incriminating that has been found on that laptop.  And the FD 1023 "evidence " is unconfirmed hearsay from a source who denied that he said that and is currently a fugitive from justice.

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

"Was it a hoax like the left claimed that the bidens were receiving huge amounts of money from Burisma that they could not account for, as Trump claimed?" 

False. Who denied that Hunter Biden was receiving huge amounts of money from Burisma? Another falsehood from you.  There is no good evidence that "the Bidens" received huge amounts of money from Burisma. Only Hunter Biden. Another falsehood from you. 

As for the claim that the FBI had already verified the laptop? Even if true, and that would be odd given who was running the Justice Dept, there is nothing incriminating that has been found on that laptop.  And the FD 1023 "evidence " is unconfirmed hearsay from a source who denied that he said that and is currently a fugitive from justice.

The stunning thing to me is that the MAGA crowd 100% believes all kinds of made up BS ‘evidence’ against the Bidens, and the so-called ‘whistleblowers’ (who then can not be found) as well, but balk at all the hard and solid evidence that Trump actually committed quite a few (serious) crimes. Talk about living in an alternative fact-free reality, where Trump is the messiah and the Dems are to blame for everything that is wrong in their beloved country. 

23 hours ago, Jingthing said:

No but also consider if convicted to a prison term because of practical issues about secret service protection, he won't be going to prison. It would be something like incarceration in his home. I think that's acceptable given his previous office, but I would hope they would impose prison style food on him just to be somewhat fair to all the other prisoners in the country.

That might be considered a cruel and unusual punishment. OTOH he does seem to eat a lot of junk food.

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

That might be considered a cruel and unusual punishment. OTOH he does seem to eat a lot of junk food.

Seems apt for a cruel and unusual ex-president.

2 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

The stunning thing to me is that the MAGA crowd 100% believes all kinds of made up BS ‘evidence’ against the Bidens, and the so-called ‘whistleblowers’ (who then can not be found) as well, but balk at all the hard and solid evidence that Trump actually committed quite a few (serious) crimes. Talk about living in an alternative fact-free reality, where Trump is the messiah and the Dems are to blame for everything that is wrong in their beloved country. 

And they are ready to believe anything...

 

“They’re not indicting me, they’re indicting you. I just happen to be standing in the way,” he told the arena crowd in Erie, adding that, “Every time the radical left Democrats, Marxists, communists and fascists indict me, I consider it actually a great badge of honor.... Because I’m being indicted for you.” ????

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-amid-legal-perils-calls-031346413.html

 

 

44 minutes ago, candide said:

And they are ready to believe anything...

 

“They’re not indicting me, they’re indicting you. I just happen to be standing in the way,” he told the arena crowd in Erie, adding that, “Every time the radical left Democrats, Marxists, communists and fascists indict me, I consider it actually a great badge of honor.... Because I’m being indicted for you.” ????

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-amid-legal-perils-calls-031346413.html

 

 

Here’s another doozie:

 

Poll: Trump voters say racism against white Americans is a bigger problem than racism against Black Americans.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/poll-trump-voters-racism-white-americans-problem-black-reparations-politics-090038973.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLm5sLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMrMwYvVkn0_LmDuOzVAU9YE1GEXihq1vwvdKi4y9H1IqeqCRqbZYoDTS9WDic_E_FnT9qgAmYJYZbuaxt4pkg6Yhuz1lAVKmnjkjSEgwBVew1aqWwUhb69jZ6KpsSWLqbtRdXLdfw6aFJ_yOtos-pR8GQ8sUbRY34MYZgw-PGWn
 

Asked how much of a problem racism currently is, just 19% of Trump voters describe racism against Black Americans as a “big problem.” Twice as many (37%) say racism against white Americans is a big problem.

Trump voters and self-identified Republicans — overlapping but not identical cohorts — are the only demographic groups identified by Yahoo News and YouGov who are more likely to say racism against white Americans is a problem than to say the same about racism against Black Americans. 
 

Again, the mind boggles.

5 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Here’s another doozie:

 

Poll: Trump voters say racism against white Americans is a bigger problem than racism against Black Americans.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/poll-trump-voters-racism-white-americans-problem-black-reparations-politics-090038973.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLm5sLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMrMwYvVkn0_LmDuOzVAU9YE1GEXihq1vwvdKi4y9H1IqeqCRqbZYoDTS9WDic_E_FnT9qgAmYJYZbuaxt4pkg6Yhuz1lAVKmnjkjSEgwBVew1aqWwUhb69jZ6KpsSWLqbtRdXLdfw6aFJ_yOtos-pR8GQ8sUbRY34MYZgw-PGWn
 

Asked how much of a problem racism currently is, just 19% of Trump voters describe racism against Black Americans as a “big problem.” Twice as many (37%) say racism against white Americans is a big problem.

Trump voters and self-identified Republicans — overlapping but not identical cohorts — are the only demographic groups identified by Yahoo News and YouGov who are more likely to say racism against white Americans is a problem than to say the same about racism against Black Americans. 
 

Again, the mind boggles.

It demonstrates clearly the depth of systemic racism in America.

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

It demonstrates clearly the depth of systemic racism in America.

I very much agree. I want to also say when I think back to high school and college so much progress has been made. Those changes are a big part why I think the disgruntled, as a movement feel the threats progress has had made them left feeling victimized.

  

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

It demonstrates clearly the depth of systemic racism in America.

The Trump supporters infighting with the white nationalists and those opposed has already started.

 

Police stop pro-Trump groups from fighting each other at wild California GOP event

“Later, two pro-Trump factions began screaming at each other, with one accusing the other of being white nationalists and the other responding that their foes supported open borders... They started jostling with one another and nearly came to blows until other protesters stepped between the two groups.”

Apparently, the Trump backers outside the meeting were no angrier than were the supporters of his rival, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, inside the room.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/police-stop-pro-trump-groups-from-fighting-each-other-at-wild-california-gop-event/ar-AA1ex0AW

53 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I very much agree. I want to also say when I think back to high school and college so much progress has been made. Those changes are a big part why I think the disgruntled, as a movement feel the threats progress has had made them left feeling victimized.

  

A bit like they think there is racism against white people because it is not tolerated any more to be racist against black people.

'An extraordinary sum of money': Questions raised about millions spent on legal fees for Trump and close aides

 

Campaign finance expert Paul Seamus Ryan admitted there are no glaring "red flags" he can see so far, before stating, "It’s an extraordinary sum of money. At the end of the day it’s up to the donors to decide if that’s the way they want their money spent. My sense is if you’re giving money to Trump in 2023, you’re fine with it.”

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-legal-bills-2662597202/

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

'An extraordinary sum of money': Questions raised about millions spent on legal fees for Trump and close aides

 

Campaign finance expert Paul Seamus Ryan admitted there are no glaring "red flags" he can see so far, before stating, "It’s an extraordinary sum of money. At the end of the day it’s up to the donors to decide if that’s the way they want their money spent. My sense is if you’re giving money to Trump in 2023, you’re fine with it.”

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-legal-bills-2662597202/

For someone who claims to be so vastly wealthy, Trump sure seems to be extremely tight-fisted, and he’d much rather use other people’s money than dip into his own (allegedly) huge piggy bank. He also keeps asking for even more donations any chance he gets. If you ask me, it’s just a huge scam, but apparently the rubes don’t mind being fleeced. 

13 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

'An extraordinary sum of money': Questions raised about millions spent on legal fees for Trump and close aides

 

Campaign finance expert Paul Seamus Ryan admitted there are no glaring "red flags" he can see so far, before stating, "It’s an extraordinary sum of money. At the end of the day it’s up to the donors to decide if that’s the way they want their money spent. My sense is if you’re giving money to Trump in 2023, you’re fine with it.”

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-legal-bills-2662597202/

Trump and his PAC might be fine with it but I suggest Trump may be committing fraud here.

 

'Much of the money it is using to pay for legal bills was raised on false claims that the 2020 election was stolen'.

 

Trump pays millions in legal fees, aides allegedly asked about loyalty - The Washington Post (archive.md)

 

 

13 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Trump and his PAC might be fine with it but I suggest Trump may be committing fraud here.

 

'Much of the money it is using to pay for legal bills was raised on false claims that the 2020 election was stolen'.

 

Trump pays millions in legal fees, aides allegedly asked about loyalty - The Washington Post (archive.md)

 

Indeed. The US SEC website used to have an article claiming the godfather of internet crime was a man who sold fake coconut plantations in the Bahamas to pensioners. He fled to the Philippines but was eventually apprehended, extradited and jailed in the US. I don't see a lot of difference here, frankly. I think Americans call it wire fraud.

Edited July 30, 20233 yr by ozimoron

It is obvious that many many people just can not admit that they have been conned by possibly the biggest conman ever.  They no longer believe their own eyes and ears.  They can watch hour after hour of HD tape of trumpers storming the capital with bear spray, trump flags, MAGA hats chanting hang mike pence and beating the crap out of the cops who dared to try and stop them....and they believe  that it was just tourists that got a bit out of hand.  They applaud wildly when trump calls the rioters heros and promises them pardons if he gets reelected.

 

They can see and hear tape after tape of trump telling lie after lie after lie for over 6 years now and refuse to acknowledge a single one.  They can read page after page backed by hard core evidence of audios and videos and first hand testimony by republicans who were in on calls or in the room when trump broke a variety of laws and then tried to cover it up.  They can see the results of 60 court cases as well as investigation and recount after recount done by mostly republicans that found no evidence of significant voter fraud in 2020 and yet still cling to the big lie that the election was rigged.

 

I could go on and on but it is a waste of time.

 

 It seems impossible for most of them or their egos to just admit that they got conned by the grifter.  It is really not a total shame as he is perhaps the greatest grifter ever.

 

Many still send him $$ of course forgetting that he bragged over and over and over that he was/is very very rich and did not need anyone's money.  It does seem that there are a few cult members who are now starting to stand up look into the mirror and admit that they were lied to by trump and his minions like Rudy.  Maybe just maybe someday more of the cult members will have the courage to just admit they made a mistake and move on.  One can only hope.

 

 

1 hour ago, pomchop said:

It is obvious that many many people just can not admit that they have been conned by possibly the biggest conman ever.  They no longer believe their own eyes and ears.  They can watch hour after hour of HD tape of trumpers storming the capital with bear spray, trump flags, MAGA hats chanting hang mike pence and beating the crap out of the cops who dared to try and stop them....and they believe  that it was just tourists that got a bit out of hand.  They applaud wildly when trump calls the rioters heros and promises them pardons if he gets reelected.

 

They can see and hear tape after tape of trump telling lie after lie after lie for over 6 years now and refuse to acknowledge a single one.  They can read page after page backed by hard core evidence of audios and videos and first hand testimony by republicans who were in on calls or in the room when trump broke a variety of laws and then tried to cover it up.  They can see the results of 60 court cases as well as investigation and recount after recount done by mostly republicans that found no evidence of significant voter fraud in 2020 and yet still cling to the big lie that the election was rigged.

 

I could go on and on but it is a waste of time.

 

 It seems impossible for most of them or their egos to just admit that they got conned by the grifter.  It is really not a total shame as he is perhaps the greatest grifter ever.

 

Many still send him $$ of course forgetting that he bragged over and over and over that he was/is very very rich and did not need anyone's money.  It does seem that there are a few cult members who are now starting to stand up look into the mirror and admit that they were lied to by trump and his minions like Rudy.  Maybe just maybe someday more of the cult members will have the courage to just admit they made a mistake and move on.  One can only hope.

 

 

I listened to Haley interviewed on Face the Nation. She is copying Trump scammin herself on both sides of the fence at once. Like Sununu points out his opponents need to stand out somehow and to forget convincing a Trump supporter's mind as they already are in his corner.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/30/republican-criticizes-trump-2024-campaign

 

 

13 hours ago, ozimoron said:

'An extraordinary sum of money': Questions raised about millions spent on legal fees for Trump and close aides

 

Campaign finance expert Paul Seamus Ryan admitted there are no glaring "red flags" he can see so far, before stating, "It’s an extraordinary sum of money. At the end of the day it’s up to the donors to decide if that’s the way they want their money spent. My sense is if you’re giving money to Trump in 2023, you’re fine with it.”

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-legal-bills-2662597202/

Surely you are not talking about  this guy. 

Well looks like the other shoe dropped indictments came down 4 counts now’s time for trump to continue to whale and flail cry and moan call for violence begg for money have tantrums and hissey fits pop corn at the ready.did he really think he could get away with killing American democracy?

Shrewd operator, this Smith.  No Powerpoint show, no charts, just "read the manual."

Keeping these state electoral fraud cases running is sort of a safety net: if he gets re-elected and they let him pardon himself that doesn't apply to state convictions, and he remains a felon.

And now we get the Florida and DC cases distracting from each other.

Miz Willis in Atlanta more or less said she was stepping up in the next week.

 

Another not guilty plea.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/trump-classified-documents-not-guilty/index.html

Georgia voting systems breach a 'top-down push by Trump’s team'

 

Just landed back in DC with the Mayor huge things starting to come together!" That was followed by, "Most immediately, we were just granted access – by written invitation! – to Coffee County's systems. Yay!"

 

https://www.rawstory.com/georgia-voting-systems-breach-a-top-down-push-by-trumps-team-report-2663573230/

Tu quoque, Meadows mi! Eh eh!

 

Meadows told special counsel he could not recall Trump ever declassifying Mar-a-Lago docs: Sources

https://news.yahoo.com/gma/meadows-told-special-counsel-could-124511661.html

 

3 hours ago, candide said:

Tu quoque, Meadows mi! Eh eh!

 

Meadows told special counsel he could not recall Trump ever declassifying Mar-a-Lago docs: Sources

https://news.yahoo.com/gma/meadows-told-special-counsel-could-124511661.html

 

and another one....lol

 

Pence says he wasn't "made aware" of Trump's efforts to declassify documents

Former Vice President Mike Pence said Sunday he was not made aware of any efforts by former President Donald Trump to declassify documents.

Why it matters: Pence's statement is at odds with Trump's insistence he did nothing wrong by keeping the materials at Mar-a-Lago.

Pence's comment came hours after ABC News reported that Mark Meadows, Trump's former chief of staff, allegedly told investigators from special counsel Jack Smith's office that he couldn't recall Trump declassifying large groups of materials or a standing order allowing the then-president to do so. Axios has not yet verified ABC News' reporting on Meadows.

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/20/trump-classified-documents-mike-pence

Who said its not a cult, MAGA believe Trump more than their own family....lol

 

CBS News poll finds Trump's big lead grows, as GOP voters dismiss indictments

More generally, Trump's voters hold him as a source of true information, even more so than other sources, including conservative media figures, religious leaders, and even their own friends and family.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-poll-indictments-2023-08-20/

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Who said its not a cult, MAGA believe Trump more than their own family....lol

 

CBS News poll finds Trump's big lead grows, as GOP voters dismiss indictments

More generally, Trump's voters hold him as a source of true information, even more so than other sources, including conservative media figures, religious leaders, and even their own friends and family.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-poll-indictments-2023-08-20/

All but a guarantee Trump will go against Biden. Even if Biden's approval is at less than the current 43% Trump has 53% of American not ever going to vote him in again. Go figure why Republicans will give this election away?

You all Trump supporters must be feeling pretty bruised by now, what with all the lying coming from his insiders.

 

A witness in the criminal case against Donald Trump over the hoarding of classified documents retracted “prior false testimony” after switching lawyers last month and provided new information that implicated the former president, the Justice Department said Tuesday.

 

The statements from the witness, a Trump staffer identified in court papers as the director of information technology at Mar-a-Lago, was presented to prosecutors weeks before special counsel Jack Smith secured an updated indictment accusing Trump and two others in a plot to delete surveillance video at the Florida property.

 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-maralago-justice-department-classified-documents-f3f498ed952e50a33c7c68e2fb1936e9