1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

They would get a UK lawyer to say they get travel sickness and are a conscientious objector. ????

Travel sickness could not be an objection. How else did they get to the UK without travelling?

 

Conscientious objectors could be trained as stretcher bearers and medical assistants. 

 

https://www.sss.gov/register/alternative-service/conscientious-objectors/#:~:text=A conscientious objector is one,of moral or religious principles.

 

Conscientious objectors opposed to serving in the military will be placed in the Selective Service Alternative Service Program. This program attempts to match COs with local employers. Many types of jobs are available, however the job must be deemed to make a meaningful contribution to the maintenance of the national health, safety, and interest. Examples of alternative service are jobs in:

conservation
caring for the very young or very old
education
health care
Length of service in the program will equal the amount of time a man would have served in the military, usually 24 months.

 

They would also get food, accommodation, a small salary, perhaps even learn a trade.

 

https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/richmond-castle/history-and-stories/attitudes-to-cos/

 

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/conscientious-objectors-civilian-public-service

 

Meanwhile in the UK, there are thousands of homeless British people and thousands of British families families partly or wholly dependent on food banks.

 

They should have the highest priority for access to accommodation, food and jobs. Everybody else such as illegal immigrants which is basically what the thread is about should be much lower in the list.

 

If this sounds racist (and it will to a lot of people) they should seriously think why many British people are suffering, whilst illegal immigrants, which is what they are, get a greater priority.

Tories have to replace the cheap workers they lost through Brexit.

(their corporate donors demand it)

& Labour figure the new immigrants (new poor) will vote for them.

So everyone's happy (apart from normal UK citizens - esp. the poor who have to compete for jobs and housing with this foreign peasants).

 

And PURLEEZE, these <>s are NOT asylum seekers - they're just chancers being encouraged by WEF types.

 

In reality, both party 'leaders' are globalist WEF sock puppets so things will have to get a LOT worse in the UK before they get better (assuming the people ever demand change/put their foot down - unlikely).

 

Seems 'THEY' (wokey neo marxists) have completely captured all parties in the UK (& Europe) and UK people won't be able to vote ourselves out of this ongoing <>show.

 

I've switched to watching US politics - much better characters and plotlines.

TBH it's just as fake unbelievable though.

 

PS. I wouldn't be smug about 'escaping' to Thailand - if the west continues to 'fall' you will feel the effects (see the fallout from the alleged 'pandemic' for starters). 

If the weight of all the limitless print and spend & mental woke policies cause the financial system, markets etc fall apart, CBDCs introduced etc, where will that leave foreign retirees? Idk and nor do you to be honest.

 

Good Luck.  Interesting times

 

Edited August 8, 20232 yr by ICU Kid

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Edited August 8, 20232 yr by ICU Kid

16 minutes ago, ICU Kid said:

Tories have to replace the cheap workers they lost through Brexit.

(their corporate donors demand it)

& Labour figure the new immigrants (new poor) will vote for them.

So everyone's happy (apart from normal UK citizens).

 

And PURLEEZE, these <>s are NOT asylum seekers - they're just chancers being encouraged by WEF types.

 

In reality, both party 'leaders' are globalist WEF sock puppets so things will have to get a LOT worse in the UK before they get better (assuming the people ever demand change/put their foot down - unlikely).

 

Seems 'THEY' (wokey neo marxists) have completely captured all parties in the UK (& Europe) and UK people won't be able to vote ourselves out of this ongoing <>show.

 

I've switched to watching US politics - much better characters and plotlines.

TBH it's just as fake unbelievable though.

 

PS. I wouldn't be smug about 'escaping' to Thailand - if the west continues to 'fall' you will feel the effects (see the fallout from the alleged 'pandemic' for starters)

I am not sure how you reached that conclusion, but IMHO it is completely wrong.

 

Do you have a link for that or are you expecting posters to simply accept your word?

 

Because I did a simple search and came up with this link.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/tripling-of-fines-for-those-supporting-illegal-migrants

 

Fines are to be more than tripled for employers and landlords who allow illegal migrants to work for them or rent their properties, in the biggest shake up of civil penalties since 2014, the Home Secretary announced today (Monday 7 August).

The civil penalty for employers, which was last increased in 2014, will be raised to up to £45,000 per illegal worker for a first breach from £15,000, and up to £60,000 for repeat breaches from £20,000.

 

and this one.

 

https://www.gov.uk/penalties-for-employing-illegal-workers

 

You can be sent to jail for 5 years and pay an unlimited fine if you’re found guilty of employing someone who you knew or had ‘reasonable cause to believe’ did not have the right to work in the UK.

This includes, for example, if you had any reason to believe that:

they did not have leave (permission) to enter or remain in the UK
their leave had expired
they were not allowed to do certain types of work
their papers were incorrect or false.

 

Now what employers would willingly face penalties like that? No sensible person of any political party or even the WEF, would be willing to face a penalty such as that.

 

There is more information in the link.

 

Now what employers would willingly face penalties like that?

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m quite certain that your offshore oil company accommodation was built and maintained in full compliance to industry and national safety standards.

Compliance to industry and national safety standards in Nigeria in 1970 Chomper...........not a chance, but they were ok and looked no different to what I've seen of these.

8 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I am not sure how you reached that conclusion, but IMHO it is completely wrong.

 

Do you have a link for that or are you expecting posters to simply accept your word?

 

Because I did a simple search and came up with this link.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/tripling-of-fines-for-those-supporting-illegal-migrants

 

Fines are to be more than tripled for employers and landlords who allow illegal migrants to work for them or rent their properties, in the biggest shake up of civil penalties since 2014, the Home Secretary announced today (Monday 7 August).

The civil penalty for employers, which was last increased in 2014, will be raised to up to £45,000 per illegal worker for a first breach from £15,000, and up to £60,000 for repeat breaches from £20,000.

 

and this one.

 

https://www.gov.uk/penalties-for-employing-illegal-workers

 

You can be sent to jail for 5 years and pay an unlimited fine if you’re found guilty of employing someone who you knew or had ‘reasonable cause to believe’ did not have the right to work in the UK.

This includes, for example, if you had any reason to believe that:

they did not have leave (permission) to enter or remain in the UK
their leave had expired
they were not allowed to do certain types of work
their papers were incorrect or false.

 

Now what employers would willingly face penalties like that? No sensible person of any political party or even the WEF, would be willing to face a penalty such as that.

 

There is more information in the link.

 

Now what employers would willingly face penalties like that?

 

 

 

More candidates competing for finite unskilled work = lower wages.

More people competing for finite housing = higher house prices / rent

 

That's why 'normal' people don't want immigration.

And also why 'elites' / rich people do.

 

Understand?

Edited August 8, 20232 yr by ICU Kid

53 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Travel sickness could not be an objection. How else did they get to the UK without travelling?

 

Conscientious objectors could be trained as stretcher bearers and medical assistants. 

 

https://www.sss.gov/register/alternative-service/conscientious-objectors/#:~:text=A conscientious objector is one,of moral or religious principles.

 

Conscientious objectors opposed to serving in the military will be placed in the Selective Service Alternative Service Program. This program attempts to match COs with local employers. Many types of jobs are available, however the job must be deemed to make a meaningful contribution to the maintenance of the national health, safety, and interest. Examples of alternative service are jobs in:

conservation
caring for the very young or very old
education
health care
Length of service in the program will equal the amount of time a man would have served in the military, usually 24 months.

 

They would also get food, accommodation, a small salary, perhaps even learn a trade.

 

https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/richmond-castle/history-and-stories/attitudes-to-cos/

 

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/conscientious-objectors-civilian-public-service

 

Meanwhile in the UK, there are thousands of homeless British people and thousands of British families families partly or wholly dependent on food banks.

 

They should have the highest priority for access to accommodation, food and jobs. Everybody else such as illegal immigrants which is basically what the thread is about should be much lower in the list.

 

If this sounds racist (and it will to a lot of people) they should seriously think why many British people are suffering, whilst illegal immigrants, which is what they are, get a greater priority.

I give you a Thanks sign thingy Bill. ????

 

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

Not failing. You are wrong.

 

As with most things, you fail to look at the bigger picture. There is a backlog, I agree, but applications are being processed. 

 

It's not a case of "oh look. He looks OK. Rubber stamp". It's a long process. Add to that the major rise in arrivals and applications, there are always going to be delays.

 

 

OK, if you say so:

 

https://fullfact.org/immigration/braverman-asylum-initial-decision-backlog/

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

Another prediction, and only from one person who is " extremely confident" without actually backing up her confidence 

 

I was extremely confident Man City would win the Community Sheild. I wonder if she was too...

I am extremely confident that our corrupt government has given a ridiculously overpriced contract for the provision of a poor quality service at an overinflated price to one of their own. That's what corrupt governments do and that is what our corrupt Tory government has done in this case.

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I am extremely confident that our corrupt government has given a ridiculously overpriced contract for the provision of a poor quality service at an overinflated price to one of their own. That's what corrupt governments do and that is what our corrupt Tory government has done in this case.

Assumptions. Oh dear. 

5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I am extremely confident that our corrupt government has given a ridiculously overpriced contract for the provision of a poor quality service at an overinflated price to one of their own. That's what corrupt governments do and that is what our corrupt Tory government has done in this case.

A lefty with a chip, strikes again....................????

41 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I am extremely confident that our corrupt government has given a ridiculously overpriced contract for the provision of a poor quality service at an overinflated price to one of their own. That's what corrupt governments do and that is what our corrupt Tory government has done in this case.

The contracts for processing, housing these illegal aliens is owned by Serco (headed by Nicholas Soames - grandson of Winston Churchill).

 

*Never assume incompetence when something is adequately explained by corruption"

 

 

Edit: The Iraq War proves Labour is just as bad for creating 'crises' which excuse transferring massive amounts of taxpayer money to private entities.

Both sides are 2 cheeks of the same <> - <>ing on you for personal profits.

Edited August 8, 20232 yr by ICU Kid

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Do you understand the difference between an individual making a choice that puts them at risk and a Government making a choice that puts an individual at risk?

They didn’t have to come to the UK, could have easily stayed in France, oh wait a minute. I forgot they can get a better deal in UK than France or any of the other countries they transited through. Another thing, why is is so many supposedly refuges are young men. More than 87% who arrive on the small boats are your males. They all want to leave the <deleted>hole they were born in but want to bring all their <deleted>hole religious beliefs and laws with them. 

Posts with content from unapproved social media sources have been removed.  They were off topic anyway.

6 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

I agree.

 

Never look a gift horse in the mouth.

 

If they don't like what they are being offered they should go somewhere else. Offer them a free one way trip to anywhere. Then see what they do.

I imagine that "anywhere" might want a say in matters

6 minutes ago, RayC said:

I imagine that "anywhere" might want a say in matters

Then send them back to where they have citizenship. That "where" can't have a say on the matter.

2 hours ago, Tongjaw said:

They didn’t have to come to the UK, could have easily stayed in France, oh wait a minute. I forgot they can get a better deal in UK than France or any of the other countries they transited through. Another thing, why is is so many supposedly refuges are young men. More than 87% who arrive on the small boats are your males. They all want to leave the <deleted>hole they were born in but want to bring all their <deleted>hole religious beliefs and laws with them. 

Utter garbage.

 

Nobody objects to bogus asylum seekers being deported.

 

The problem is sorting out those who are bogus,

 

The Government has failed and is failing to clear asylum applications.

 

Do try to post without infringing the auto delete function, it’s not difficult to do, you just need to avoid using offensive language.

26 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Then send them back to where they have citizenship. That "where" can't have a say on the matter.

To do so would entail first reviewing their asylum claims, something the Government is failing to do, hence the ever increasing backlog.

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

To do so would entail first reviewing their asylum claims, something the Government is failing to do, hence the ever increasing backlog.

You obviously have not read the report regarding those refusing to board the vessel.

 

Try to read before incessantly blaming those you dislike for all issues you dislike.

 

Release your political shackles and enlighten yourself.

13 hours ago, Denim said:

+1 with no plans to return.

Ditto

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Utter garbage.

 

Nobody objects to bogus asylum seekers being deported.

 

The problem is sorting out those who are bogus,

 

The Government has failed and is failing to clear asylum applications.

 

Do try to post without infringing the auto delete function, it’s not difficult to do, you just need to avoid using offensive language.

It’s the woke attitudes like yours that has the UK and other western countries forking out huge amounts of cash to address the problem. This money could and should be spent on pensioners and our own homeless. I’m sure many sleeping on the street tonight would love to be offered a bed on the Bibby. 

5 minutes ago, Tongjaw said:

It’s the woke attitudes like yours that has the UK and other western countries forking out huge amounts of cash to address the problem. This money could and should be spent on 

Nope. It's the ignorance of people like you who don't understand three simple concepts:

 

 1 - Failed applicants are deported

 2 - Successful applicants can be put to work in one of the many industries that have been struggling to fill vacancies since brexit, thus boosting productivity and tax revenues than could be spent on funding the pension and homeless issues 

 3 - If you choose to not process claims, as the current government is doing, then the cost of housing the pending applicants will continue to increase.

 

It's so simple, I'm always surprised that anybody ever falls for it. Lucky the amount of people in the UK that are getting taken in is statistically irrelevant these days. They seem to be overly represented on this forum, for some reason.

 

It's fine to be angry. But please just do the most basic level of research, try applying just a tiny amount of critical thinking, and channel your anger at the correct people.

Bibby Stockholm:

 

From the BBC: Asylum seekers describe life on barge

Edited August 9, 20232 yr by ArnieP

15 hours ago, ICU Kid said:

The contracts for processing, housing these illegal aliens is owned by Serco (headed by Nicholas Soames - grandson of Winston Churchill).

 

*Never assume incompetence when something is adequately explained by corruption"

 

 

Edit: The Iraq War proves Labour is just as bad for creating 'crises' which excuse transferring massive amounts of taxpayer money to private entities.

Both sides are 2 cheeks of the same <> - <>ing on you for personal profits.

quote *Never assume incompetence when something is adequately explained by corruption"

 

Never assume that an allegation is a fact.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=allegation&rlz=1C1CHBF_enTH1026TH1026&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

al·le·ga·tion
noun
A claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically one made without proof.
"after leaving he made allegations of corruption against the company"

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=proof+meaning&sxsrf=AB5stBinLu2n1UdCsvKchowqbtXLyel_7A%3A1691551674008&source=hp&ei=uQfTZMv0N4nq-QbC9IHYDA&iflsig=AD69kcEAAAAAZNMVyphtuhkS85mxrFdPR4rW5-VNFmLb&oq=proof&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IgVwcm9vZioCCAAyDBAjGIoFGCcYRhj5ATIOEAAYigUYsQMYgwEYkQIyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgsQLhiABBjHARjRAzIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABEjoMVAAWKsMcAB4AJABAJgB3wGgAYYHqgEFMC40LjG4AQHIAQD4AQHCAgcQIxiKBRgnwgIHEC4YigUYJ8ICCBAAGIoFGJECwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAhEQLhiABBixAxiDARjHARjRA8ICCxAAGIoFGLEDGIMBwgIEECMYJ8ICCxAuGIAEGLEDGIMBwgIIEAAYgAQYsQPCAgcQABiKBRhDwgIIEC4YigUYsQPCAgcQABiABBgKwgIFEC4YgAQ&sclient=gws-wiz

 

proof
noun
Evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
"you will be asked to give proof of your identity"

 

That is the difference between an allegation and proof.

 

Do you have any proof of your "allegation" or am I to accept your word as "proof"?

 

 

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

To do so would entail first reviewing their asylum claims, something the Government is failing to do, hence the ever increasing backlog.

Agree the system is diabolical.

They should employ immigrants to process applications. ????

3 hours ago, JayClay said:

Nope. It's the ignorance of people like you who don't understand three simple concepts:

 

 1 - Failed applicants are deported

 2 - Successful applicants can be put to work in one of the many industries that have been struggling to fill vacancies since brexit, thus boosting productivity and tax revenues than could be spent on funding the pension and homeless issues 

 3 - If you choose to not process claims, as the current government is doing, then the cost of housing the pending applicants will continue to increase.

 

It's so simple, I'm always surprised that anybody ever falls for it. Lucky the amount of people in the UK that are getting taken in is statistically irrelevant these days. They seem to be overly represented on this forum, for some reason.

 

It's fine to be angry. But please just do the most basic level of research, try applying just a tiny amount of critical thinking, and channel your anger at the correct people.

quote "Channel your anger at the correct people".

 

IMHO the correct people are those that choose not to use the correct channels and simply turn up.

 

They are called illegal immigrants, which is what EVERY person who tries to enter any country without a legal entry visa is.

2 hours ago, ArnieP said:

Bibby Stockholm:

 

From the BBC: Asylum seekers describe life on barge

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-dorset-66438086

 

From the BBC link

 

Asylum seekers have been told boarding the Bibby Stockholm barge is "not a choice" and those who refuse will no longer receive government support.

 

The first group of 15 people boarded the vessel on Monday, but 20 refused.

 

If they do not move on to the accommodation barge by the end of Tuesday, their housing assistance could be withdrawn, government sources said.

32 minutes ago, billd766 said:

quote "Channel your anger at the correct people".

 

IMHO the correct people are those that choose not to use the correct channels and simply turn up.

 

They are called illegal immigrants, which is what EVERY person who tries to enter any country without a legal entry visa is.

They can still claim refugee status though I believe, which started the boat problem.

48 minutes ago, billd766 said:

quote "Channel your anger at the correct people".

 

IMHO the correct people are those that choose not to use the correct channels and simply turn up.

Well I already prepared a statement for you in the post you quoted ????‍♂️

 

3 hours ago, JayClay said:

It's so simple, I'm always surprised that anybody ever falls for it. Lucky the amount of people in the UK that are getting taken in is statistically irrelevant these days. They seem to be overly represented on this forum, for some reaso

 

Incidentally, aren't you the same guy who failed to answer my question about naming some of the EU laws you wanted to see abolished? 

 

22 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s taken fourteen years of concerted effort to get there but, yes, I think you are right.

 

A total clown show.

 

Even if the country was booming, you would trash it................????