War of words erupts over Britain’s plea for post-Brexit migrant return deal

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Tory MPs urge Rishi Sunak to get asylum returns deal – as Brussels rejects reports that the EU Commission has blocked an agreement

 

A war of words has erupted following claims that the EU has rejected Rishi Sunak’s plea for a post-Brexit asylum seeker returns deal to ease the small boats crisis.

It was claimed that a senior European Commission official told the UK’s national security adviser earlier this year that there was no prospect of such an agreement.

 

But an EU Commission spokesperson rubbished reports on Tuesday as “not correct”. A UK government spokeswoman insisted that No 10 remains “open to working with the EU to take forward negotiations on a UK-EU returns deal”.

 

It sparked a row among Tory MPs, as Brexiteers lashed out at the “immoral” EU for failing to help tackle the Channel crossings, while moderate Tories urged Mr Sunak to forge a returns deal so Britain can work more closely with its nearest neighbours.

Return agreements are viewed by some as key to solving the migrant crisis and the PM still hopes to strike a deal with the EU Commission that would allow Britain to return people to European countries where they have previously claimed asylum or have links to.

 

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[JonnyF]

The EU would rather see the current crisis continue than to make an agreement with the UK. Disgraceful, immoral behaviour given the risks being taken by the migrants, the drownings, the organized gang activity, the exploitation of vulnerable people etc.

 

Hell hath no fury like a woman the EU scorned.

 

Thank goodness we left.  

 

 

[RayC]

 

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The EU would rather see the current crisis continue than to make an agreement with the UK. Disgraceful, immoral behaviour given the risks being taken by the migrants, the drownings, the organized gang activity, the exploitation of vulnerable people etc.

 

Hell hath no fury like a woman the EU scorned.

 

Thank goodness we left.  

 

 

Of course it is.

 

The whole strategic vision of the EU is nowadays focussed on making the UK pay for having the temerity to leave the bloc. It's all they ever talk about in Brussels and the 27 member state capital cities.????

[Red Forever]

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The EU would rather see the current crisis continue than to make an agreement with the UK. Disgraceful, immoral behaviour given the risks being taken by the migrants, the drownings, the organized gang activity, the exploitation of vulnerable people etc.

 

Hell hath no fury like a woman the EU scorned.

 

Thank goodness we left.  

 

 

You do know that the French government wanted to build, at their expense, a processing centre on French soil but the spineless Brexity UK government refused this.

Given that around 80% of asylum applications are granted one can see why the Tories don't want due process. It suits them to have the the knuckle scraping morons on side blaming Jonny Forrinners for the <deleted>e they've had heaped upon them for 13 years .

It's called distraction tactics and it's worked for the Tories....so far.

Can't wait to Rejoin!

[PETERTHEEATER]

1 hour ago, Red Forever said:

You do know that the French government wanted to build, at their expense, a processing centre on French soil but the spineless Brexity UK government refused this.

Given that around 80% of asylum applications are granted one can see why the Tories don't want due process. It suits them to have the the knuckle scraping morons on side blaming Jonny Forrinners for the <deleted>e they've had heaped upon them for 13 years .

It's called distraction tactics and it's worked for the Tories....so far.

Can't wait to Rejoin!

If you cannot wait what are you going to do?

[transam]

1 hour ago, Red Forever said:

You do know that the French government wanted to build, at their expense, a processing centre on French soil but the spineless Brexity UK government refused this.

Given that around 80% of asylum applications are granted one can see why the Tories don't want due process. It suits them to have the the knuckle scraping morons on side blaming Jonny Forrinners for the <deleted>e they've had heaped upon them for 13 years .

It's called distraction tactics and it's worked for the Tories....so far.

Can't wait to Rejoin!

Got a link for that.....?  ????

[transam]

4 minutes ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

If you cannot wait what are you going to do?

He could move there, the English is pretty good, though benefits maybe scarce....

[JonnyF]

15 hours ago, Red Forever said:

You do know that the French government wanted to build, at their expense, a processing centre on French soil but the spineless Brexity UK government refused this.

Given that around 80% of asylum applications are granted one can see why the Tories don't want due process. It suits them to have the the knuckle scraping morons on side blaming Jonny Forrinners for the <deleted>e they've had heaped upon them for 13 years .

It's called distraction tactics and it's worked for the Tories....so far.

Can't wait to Rejoin!

Absolute nonsense. Biggest load of tosh I've heard for ages.

 

Back in reality, we agreed to pay 576 million to France.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/11/europe/uk-france-illegal-immigration-funding-intl-hnk/index.html#:~:text=Britain's Prime Minister Rishi Sunak,Paris on March 10%2C 2023.&text=The United Kingdom said on,immigration across the English Channel.

 

 

Of course, the French will do nothing.

 

PS we won't be rejoining. So get used to waiting.

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Absolute nonsense. Biggest load of tosh I've heard for ages.

 

Back in reality, we agreed to pay 576 million to France.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/11/europe/uk-france-illegal-immigration-funding-intl-hnk/index.html#:~:text=Britain's Prime Minister Rishi Sunak,Paris on March 10%2C 2023.&text=The United Kingdom said on,immigration across the English Channel.

 

 

Of course, the French will do nothing.

 

PS we won't be rejoining. So get used to waiting.

If France are doing nothing, then why are the UK Government handing over millions?

 

Shelling out millions with no return is normally reserved for their chums.

 

Perhaps what is being requested to be done isn’t what actually needs doing.

 

 

[JonnyF]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If France are doing nothing, then why are the UK Government handing over millions?

Good question. Maybe they made the mistake of believing the french would honour their commitments. Big mistake given their history and the EU's bitter attitude since Brexit. I would have given them nothing. I also would have given them nothing during the Brexit divorce bill negotiations but then I am not a huge fan of the EU as you may know. 

 

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Shelling out millions with no return is normally reserved for their chums.

Got links for that?

 

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Perhaps what is being requested to be done isn’t what actually needs doing.

 

 

No. What is being requested is what needs doing.  

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Good question. Maybe they made the mistake of believing the french would honour their commitments. Big mistake given their history and the EU's bitter attitude since Brexit. I would have given them nothing. I also would have given them nothing during the Brexit divorce bill negotiations but then I am not a huge fan of the EU as you may know. 

 

Got links for that?

 

No. What is being requested is what needs doing.  

Maybe the Government are asking the French to do something which is having little or no impact.

 

 

[JonnyF]

40 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Maybe the Government are asking the French to do something which is having little or no impact.

 

 

Maybe the French are not honouring the agreement.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/08/13/ministers-frustrated-french-failure-stop-migrant-crossings/

 

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Absolute nonsense. Biggest load of tosh I've heard for ages.

 

Back in reality, we agreed to pay 576 million to France.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/11/europe/uk-france-illegal-immigration-funding-intl-hnk/index.html#:~:text=Britain's Prime Minister Rishi Sunak,Paris on March 10%2C 2023.&text=The United Kingdom said on,immigration across the English Channel.

 

 

Of course, the French will do nothing.

 

PS we won't be rejoining. So get used to waiting.

And how long did it take for the UK to come to an agreement about this? France proposed it at least as far back as Nov 28, 2021.

And it's a mark of how empty the case you make is that you invoke the future as some kind of evidence. 

[jak2002003]

So basically the UK government is is admitting they can't control immigration, and they want another country to do it for them. 

 

When we were in EU the same government said it was the EUs fault for all the immigrants and they told UK was not allowed to stop them.  When we left the EU the government assured is that was good as now they could close off the borders and stop immigrants. 

 

But they have failed to do this...big style...as there are more now then ever lol. 

 

So now they make up excuses again blaming the EU lol. 

 

At what point will some people realise that this government is lying to them? 

 

 

[JonnyF]

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And how long did it take for the UK to come to an agreement about this? France proposed it at least as far back as Nov 28, 2021.

And it's a mark of how empty the case you make is that you invoke the future as some kind of evidence. 

The future? Have you not seen the news over the last few months? It's still rampant. 

[JonnyF]

9 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

So basically the UK government is is admitting they can't control immigration, and they want another country to do it for them. 

It needs to be done from both ends. You prefer France lets them make the perilous channel crossing and then we send them back across the channel.

 

You need to see more drownings? More suffering? For what? Political point scoring?

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

The future? Have you not seen the news over the last few months? It's still rampant. 

What exactly is rampant?

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What exactly is rampant?

Illegal channel crossings. Do try to keep up dear, it's tiresome pointing out the obvious.

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Illegal channel crossings. Do try to keep up dear, it's tiresome pointing out the obvious.

Maybe, sweetheart, you should try to grasp the fact that x number of immigrants who are making it through to the UK by itself tells us nothing about the efforts being made to slow this emigration.. It's the percentage that are making it through that counts. You got any figures for that? Maybe a totalitarian nation could mine the beaches to slow the exodus. France, not so much.

[placeholder]

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The future? Have you not seen the news over the last few months? It's still rampant. 

And of course, this comment tells us nothing about the effect that the construction of this center will have on emigration from France of these people. Crystal balling much?

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Maybe, sweetheart, you should try to grasp the fact that x number of immigrants who are making it through to the UK by itself tells us nothing about the efforts being made to slow this emigration.. It's the percentage that are making it through that counts. You got any figures for that? Maybe a totalitarian nation could mine the beaches to slow the exodus. France, not so much.

Maybe the French are just totally inept as you suggest, but I doubt they are breaking their backs, given the figures.

 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-100-000-people-have-now-crossed-the-channel-in-small-boats-since-records-began-12937722

[placeholder]

24 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Maybe the French are just totally inept as you suggest, but I doubt they are breaking their backs, given the figures.

 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-100-000-people-have-now-crossed-the-channel-in-small-boats-since-records-began-12937722

Says nothing about before embarking does it. And the length of La Manche is 560 kilometers. And as a map of the French coastline bordering La Manche shows, the total coastline amounts to a lot more than that.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/English+Channel/@49.7946463,-4.5144232,7z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x47ddb401943e13a9:0x2a0af13ef63531e0!8m2!3d50.134664!4d-0.357056!16zL20vMDJqN2s?entry=ttu

 

Edited to change "miles" to "kilometers".

Edited August 17, 2023 by placeholder

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Maybe the French are just totally inept as you suggest, but I doubt they are breaking their backs, given the figures.

 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-100-000-people-have-now-crossed-the-channel-in-small-boats-since-records-began-12937722

Maybe it’s time to stop blaming the French.

 

Oh I forgot.

 

It’s always somebody else’s fault.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Maybe it’s time to stop blaming the French.

 

Oh I forgot.

 

It’s always somebody else’s fault.

Maybe it's time for you to stop blaming your own country just because it's not socialist...????

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Maybe it’s time to stop blaming the French.

 

Oh I forgot.

 

It’s always somebody else’s fault.

So imaginative. Never heard that one before. Bravo. No mention of Unicorns? I'm disappointed in you.

 

Moving away from inane, repetitive catchphrases, given the figures I linked to either they are inept or they are deliberately allowing them onto the boats. Placeholder believes they are inept. I believe they are deliberate allowing them onto boats. And you? 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

So imaginative. Never heard that one before. Bravo. No mention of Unicorns? I'm disappointed in you.

 

Moving away from inane, repetitive catchphrases, given the figures I linked to either they are inept or they are deliberately allowing them onto the boats. Placeholder believes they are inept. I believe they are deliberate allowing them onto boats. And you? 

I have no reason to believe they are deliberately allowing anyone into boats.

 

Perhaps they are unable to stop people getting into boats.

 

Now who was it that made a promise to put a stop to this and why do you avoid holding them responsible for their failure?

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, transam said:

Maybe it's time for you to stop blaming your own country just because it's not socialist...????

I’m not blaming anyone’s country.

 

I am holding the British Government accountable for its own failures, and that failure, indeed this thread,  has nothing at all to do with your ‘socialism’ trolling.

Here’s a clue:

 

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not blaming anyone’s country.

 

I am holding the British Government accountable for its own failures, and that failure, indeed this thread,  has nothing at all to do with your ‘socialism’ trolling.

Here’s a clue:

 

 

And of course you know what's going on behind the scene......????...... ????

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I have no reason to believe they are deliberately allowing anyone into boats.

 

Perhaps they are unable to stop people getting into boats.

Inept then.  

 

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Now who was it that made a promise to put a stop to this and why do you avoid holding them responsible for their failure?

The UK cannot stop the French allowing them onto the boats. We've already paid them for the job. We can't fix their incompetence.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Inept then.  

 

The UK cannot stop the French allowing them onto the boats. We've already paid them for the job. We can't fix their incompetence.

You're wasting your time with him, reminds me of Red Ken.......????