Hey Pita,  I hope you have a "Plan B", because you will never be allowed to become PM if you play by the Junta's rules.

We all know since a long time that the courts are bought by the military and their dictator. And also that in a legel sense the judges are more incompetent than 3rd year law students at law school. (Sweden has 4.5 year and gives a LLM as degree).

11 hours ago, eisfeld said:

I think MFP need to change their legal advisors. They keep getting nailed on trivial technicalities that should have been avoided. They can't afford that when the stakes are so high.

Absolutely agree. They've messed up again. Unforgivable.

6 hours ago, Danny Australia said:

No matter what Pita does or doesn't do/say, the establishment is rigged against him. Full stop

Sure, but giving them an easy way out is just ridiculous. The judges are laughing. The MFP screwed up.

Weak, pathetic, cowardly, self entitled hooligans, who are accustomed to a perch atop the ivory tower, scared to death of being taken down a notch, and being asked to be accountable for their heinous and unforgivable actions. Of course they will resort to whatever dirty tactics they can. That is who and what they are. Filth. They are the deplorables.

 

Go ahead and stick with regressive conservative policies, resist change and progress at all costs, and run your nation into the ground.

 

12 hours ago, rbkk said:

 “If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” @1984

So true 

10 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Weak, pathetic, cowardly, self entitled hooligans, who are accustomed to a perch atop the ivory tower, scared to death of being taken down a notch, and being asked to be accountable for their heinous and unforgivable actions. Of course they will resort to whatever dirty tactics they can. That is who and what they are. Filth. They are the deplorables.

 

Go ahead and stick with regressive conservative policies, resist change and progress at all costs, and run your nation into the ground.

 

Is your post about Thailand, America , Niger, Brazil or perhaps Argentina? Fits all of them

 

29 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Sure, but giving them an easy way out is just ridiculous. The judges are laughing. The MFP screwed up.

Yes blame the victim 

Actually I think the Constitution pretty much spells out that the Ombudsman is supposed to refer questions like this to the Consitutional Court. It tells the Ombudsman and the Court that this is how it's supposed to be. How can the Constitutional Court refuse to take the case?

 

Part 3 of the Constitution:

 

Quote

Section 230. The Ombudsmen have the duties and powers as follows:
(1) ...
(2) to conduct fact-finding when it is found that there is a person affected by
grievance or unfairness arisen from non-compliance with the law or ultra vires acts of a State
agency or State officials in order to recommend the relevant State agencies to eliminate or
deter such grievance or unfairness;

Quote

Section 231. In the performance of duties under section 230, an Ombudsman
may refer a matter to the Constitutional Court or the Administrative Court upon making a
finding as follows:
(1) where any provision of law begs the question of the constitutionality, the
matter shall be referred together with an opinion to the Constitutional Court; the
Constitutional Court shall consider and render a decision without delay in accordance with
the Organic Act on Procedures of the Constitutional Court;

 

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12 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

TIT, I know but ffs, have they no shame.

No!

It's easy to imagine the international outcry about democracy being stamped upon by unelected groups, if Thailand meant anything at all to the outside world. But it doesn't so it's ignored, as are the many thousands of deaths in the South. The world doesn't care, as whatever happens in Thailand is only important within its borders. Nowhere else.

28 minutes ago, charleskerins said:

Yes blame the victim 

It's a self imposed wound. They screwed up. Can't you see that?

21 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

Actually I think the Constitution pretty much spells out that the Ombudsman is supposed to refer questions like this to the Consitutional Court. It tells the Ombudsman and the Court that this is how it's supposed to be. How can the Constitutional Court refuse to take the case?

 

Part 3 of the Constitution:

 

 

They didn't. The CC took the case and ruled it wasn't filed by the people by whom it should have been filed. Why it took them so long to make the ruling, when it should have been immediately apparent, is another question. And why the ombudsman didn't reject the initial filing on the same grounds is also a mystery. Maybe he has a different set of rules. Whichever way you look at it, the MFP got their butts kicked. It's just embarrassing how incompetent they are. They have millions of supporters, yet they still manage to let them down.

Thai Democracy is another word for dictatorship or totalitary regime... Votes of the people are just a show and the judges are not independent at all 

so the election commission withdraw and the charter court continue wasn't this case a referral  from the EC, maybe the charter court should concentrate on matters that are unconstitutional like the whole ## constitution..........another target for removal  and possible charges

4 hours ago, eisfeld said:

Uhm. The Constitutional Court told you that you need to petition them yourself. Why wouldn you forego this opportunity? Why would you think the Parliament will resolve the issue for you if it was the Parliament who created the issue for you in the first place?

 

I don't understand the strategy at play here. Anyone got an explanation?

are you seriously trying to make sense of this, ### jail these people for incompetence - they are far from a charter 

Again, responsibility for this debacle falls squarely on the weak, incompetent Speaker.

 

Yes, MFP messed up by not getting the Speakership first, rookie mistake. They were lulled into supporting Wan Noor, who has proved to be complicit in the slow-moving judicial and legislative coup, although he is probably too dim to realize what he has done.

 

A competent Speaker could have gaveled that session closed. Then gaveled a "new" session in, and a second nomination of Pita for PM could have been considered.

 

That the CC ruled not on principle, but on standing, is another embarrassing failure, but totally expected.

 

 

14 hours ago, billd766 said:

No real surprise there.

 

After all who appointed the CC in the first place? Not only that but who tore up the previous constitution and had a new constitution.

 

The minister for everything.

Was the Coup leagal under the old Constitution and if it wasn't the new Constitution should be declared null and Void along  with the Senators who were not elected.  It is not beyond question given the petty performance  under way on a daily basis.

15 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

Again, responsibility for this debacle falls squarely on the weak, incompetent Speaker.

 

Yes, MFP messed up by not getting the Speakership first, rookie mistake. They were lulled into supporting Wan Noor, who has proved to be complicit in the slow-moving judicial and legislative coup, although he is probably too dim to realize what he has done.

 

A competent Speaker could have gaveled that session closed. Then gaveled a "new" session in, and a second nomination of Pita for PM could have been considered.

 

That the CC ruled not on principle, but on standing, is another embarrassing failure, but totally expected.

 

 

You seem to forget the circumstances of the Speakership election. There was immense wrangling amongst the coalition parties as to who should get the job. Wan was a compromise candidate acceptable to all parties at the time. Yes, he's turned out to be worse than useless, causing this havoc over his mishandling of the second vote.

 

Principle v standing? What means?

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1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

It's easy to imagine the international outcry about democracy being stamped upon by unelected groups, if Thailand meant anything at all to the outside world. But it doesn't so it's ignored, as are the many thousands of deaths in the South. The world doesn't care, as whatever happens in Thailand is only important within its borders. Nowhere else.

There is some truth to that. Their shrimp and rice exports just don't mean that much. 

 

Also, if one takes into account the fact that their neighbors Cambodia, have been engaged in a authoritarian regime for decades now, disguised as a democracy with the support of the entire West, it tells you what you need to know about worldwide moral bankruptcy, the impotency of the UN, and alot more. So, the thugs and money mongering "so called elite", here in Thailand are free to do as they please, it would appear. 

????

He’s just too much of a threat to the old guard's grip on power and money. They’re not about to give that up.

Is all a messy and always will be if they not coming to respect the voter's choice. The politician s holding the democracy for ransom and the voter's for uneducated children...for me new election will be the only choice. Let's the people decide...once and for all

17 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

the impotency of the UN

As long as one country can veto what every other country agrees on then the UN is a totally worthless organisation and not fit for purpose. Unless that purpose is to provide many of those who work for it with a cushy life.

And so the fiasco rolls on - no PM after the vote on May 14 2023 showed that the vast majority of the people in Thailand wanted a new party in Government, and the ones in Government said "No you can't have one!"

 

Democratic Government? From Wikipedia:- To date Thailand has had 20[2] charters and constitutions, reflecting a high degree of political instability.  The Economist Intelligence Unit rated Thailand a "flawed democracy" in 2022.[3], and the situation has not changed since.

 

And the circus rolls on and on and on and............!!!

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11 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

As long as one country can veto what every other country agrees on then the UN is a totally worthless organisation and not fit for purpose. Unless that purpose is to provide many of those who work for it with a cushy life.

Quite agree. Scrap the so called "security council", and remove the veto. Let's have a level playing field. The veto is a bit like the Senate here in Thailand.

18 minutes ago, Accidental Tourist said:

Is all a messy and always will be if they not coming to respect the voter's choice. The politician s holding the democracy for ransom and the voter's for uneducated children...for me new election will be the only choice. Let's the people decide...once and for all

But, but, but - the people have ALREADY decided, and the PIP (Politicians In Power) have said (Rather surprisingly!) "No chance, not while we're holding the reins!", so under the current legislation, you could have a myriad of Elections, and "They" will hold meetings after meetings to decide why they can't allow the results to stand, because the results will probably never go in their favour - unless of course they are "doctored" in their favour, and then they can hold more meetings to explain why the results are genuine!

 

And in the meantime, the show goes on, or to be more precise, is undergoing what appears to be an "interminably extended intermission"! 

18 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The Court ruled that the three petitioners, two individuals who voted for Move Forward and another who was a Move Forward MP, were not the persons directly affected.

How about the 14.233895 million voters who voted for MFP who now have been disenfranchised? Would the Court like to hear their complaints directly and individually if it refuses to hear from their representatives such as MFP?

Each MFP voter has legal standing before the court and deserves to be heard if not through their democratically designated representatives.

In effect the Court has defamed these Thai voters and harmed the reputation of the nation.

 

We can all sit here in our ivory towers and whinge to our hearts content but it is up to the 14.2 million MFP voters to get up off their bottoms or sit on their hands to make a change, the powers that be will carry on regardless otherwise.

we already knew this a banana republic,  thank you CC, for the confirmation