Business leaders aren’t happy:

 

”The auto chief said business “needs three things from the UK government: ambition, commitment and consistency. A relaxation of 2030 would undermine all three”.”

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/net-zero-rishi-sunak-2050-2030-b2414879.html

Edited September 20, 20232 yr by Chomper Higgot

45 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But here’s a thing.

 

Starmer modified his policy ideas following Truss’ vandalism of the national economy, clearly stating policies must be fully funded.

 

Sunak is thrashing around trying to come up with something, anything at all, that will reverse his party’s abysmal polling data.

 

And here’s another thing.

 

Who does Sunak think he’s going to attract to vote Tory with this latest U-Turn?

 

The anti environment vote is already firmly in the Tory bag, he can only alienate voters who are concerned about the environment and galvanize opposition to Tory anti-environment policies.

 

 

I wonder, is all that twaddle an opinion?

2 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

I wonder, is all that twaddle an opinion?

I wonder if you understand the concept of ‘target voters’?

 

 

 

Clearly somebody leaked Sunak’s latest brain fart of a policy idea.

 

The question is who?

 

Was it a lefty, woke, tree hugging member of the Labour Party?

 

Or was it someone close to Sunak who is privy to his policy decisions?

 

It seems someone is either not happy with Sunak’s latest madness, or they are not happy with Sunak and his latest madness.

 

 

 

Edited September 20, 20232 yr by Chomper Higgot

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I wonder if you understand the concept of ‘target voters’?

 

 

 

I do. All target voters.

 

Your idea of target voters is selective.

Just now, youreavinalaff said:

I do. All target voters.

 

Your idea of target voters is selective.

Target voters are the voters a party hopes to win over.

 

There’s already pushback against this latest crackpot idea of Sunak’s from within the Tory party.

 

Don’t get me wrong, Sunak dreaming up crackpot ideas as his party falls apart is to my mind a result.

Well done Rishi. Let's not allow ourselves to be held hostage by a minority of crusty doomsday cultists and elite champagne socialists preaching from their private jets. Great policies that help normal, working class people.

 

19 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Well done Rishi. Let's not allow ourselves to be held hostage by a minority of crusty doomsday cultists and elite champagne socialists preaching from their private jets. Great policies that help normal, working class people.

 

So come on, what’s the ‘new approach’?

 

Or is this inaction man admitting he’s got nothing?

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So come on, what’s the ‘new approach’?

 

Or is this inaction man admitting he’s got nothing?

Did you read the tweet? The new approach is NOT implementing these stupid measures. As far as I am aware they haven't been implemented yet, so he simply has to say he won't do it and then not do it.

 

Now I'm no "supporter" of Sunak, but I think even he could manage to NOT do something.

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Did you read the tweet? The new approach is NOT implementing these stupid measures. As far as I am aware they haven't been implemented yet, so he simply has to say he won't do it and then not do it.

 

Now I'm no "supporter" of Sunak, but I think even he could manage to NOT do something.

Yes I did read the tweet.

 

Here’s the problem.

 

 

There’s a target. 
There were measures in place to hit the target.

Those measures have been removed.

The target is said to still remain.

 

The question arises, how is the target to be attained?

 

 

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes I did read the tweet.

 

Here’s the problem.

 

 

There’s a target. 
There were measures in place to hit the target.

Those measures have been removed.

The target is said to still remain.

 

The question arises, how is the target to be attained?

 

 

Who cares? The target is 2050. When someone is voting in 2024 do you think they're going to say "Well I know Sunak is going to save me loads of money and I need every penny I can get right now to pay the rent, but what about reaching net zero in 26 years time?".

 

No, they're going to look at Sunak and then look at Starmer and think "This guy is going to save me money and leave me alone but the other one is going to interfere in my life and force me to spend money on reaching net zero by 2050 and as a result I might not be able to buy meat products or have my 2 weeks in Benidorm". 

 

Nobody votes to be poorer. Taxing people to reach net zero is a vote loser. So I'm pretty sure Starmer will be pushing it hard ????.

28 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Now I'm no "supporter" of Sunak, but I think even he could manage to NOT do something.

I think you over estimate Sunak

16 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

When someone is voting in 2024 do you think they're going to say "Well I know Sunak is going to save me loads of money

No, I don't think anybody voting in 2024 is going to start a sentence like that.

 

(also, my bet is on a January 2025 election now)

Edited September 21, 20232 yr by JayClay

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Who cares? The target is 2050. When someone is voting in 2024 do you think they're going to say "Well I know Sunak is going to save me loads of money and I need every penny I can get right now to pay the rent, but what about reaching net zero in 26 years time?".

 

No, they're going to look at Sunak and then look at Starmer and think "This guy is going to save me money and leave me alone but the other one is going to interfere in my life and force me to spend money on reaching net zero by 2050 and as a result I might not be able to buy meat products or have my 2 weeks in Benidorm". 

 

Nobody votes to be poorer. Taxing people to reach net zero is a vote loser. So I'm pretty sure Starmer will be pushing it hard ????.

Good luck with that.

 

See you at the election.

43 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Good luck with that.

 

See you at the election.

You are going all the way to UK for an election?

 

One you can't vote in too.

 

 

 

 

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Business leaders aren’t happy:

 

”The auto chief said business “needs three things from the UK government: ambition, commitment and consistency. A relaxation of 2030 would undermine all three”.”

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/net-zero-rishi-sunak-2050-2030-b2414879.html

Amusing.

 

From the same article.

 

 

Classic Labour ????.

 

They should get Diane Abbott to calculate the cost of going net zero. She'd probably come up with a figure of 250 quid.????

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Amusing.

 

From the same article.

 

 

Classic Labour ????.

 

They should get Diane Abbott to calculate the cost of going net zero. She'd probably come up with a figure of 250 quid.????

Nothing to do with your Dianne Abbot thing Johnny, and everything to do with the response of industry leaders to Sunak’s U-Turn.

Does anyone know where Ford UK will be building these electric cars as Ford hasn't produced any cars in the UK since 2002 and Transits ceased production in 2013 when they started building in Turkey

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nothing to do with your Dianne Abbot thing Johnny, and everything to do with the response of industry leaders to Sunak’s U-Turn.

Is that why Labour refused to commit to reinstating it?

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Is that why Labour refused to commit to reinstating it?

?

 

https://www.gbnews.com/politics/labour-repeal-rishi-net-zero-u-turn-election-win

Can we please STOP the personal remarks etc,a members nationality is irrelevant and its off topic.

 

Thank you.

11 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Does anyone know where Ford UK will be building these electric cars as Ford hasn't produced any cars in the UK since 2002 and Transits ceased production in 2013 when they started building in Turkey

Ford made announcement on the matter last year:

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2022/dec/01/ford-plans-125m-electric-vehicle-investment-at-halewood

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Ford made announcement on the matter last year:

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2022/dec/01/ford-plans-125m-electric-vehicle-investment-at-halewood

That article relates to part of an electric vehicle not a complete electric vehicle

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

?

 

https://www.gbnews.com/politics/labour-repeal-rishi-net-zero-u-turn-election-win

Maybe you should check the accuracy of the articles you link to in future? Nobody likes misinformation.

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Maybe you should check the accuracy of the articles you link to in future? Nobody likes misinformation.

Do you have a link that refutes it?

 

If so please share.

Sunak is an oxygen thief. He should go back to India and sort out their problems, the UK can do without him.

48 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Do you have a link that refutes it?

 

If so please share.

You own links contradict each other.

 

The first link you posted said Labour refused to commit to reinstating the policy and the second link you posted to said the opposite.

58 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

You own links contradict each other.

 

The first link you posted said Labour refused to commit to reinstating the policy and the second link you posted to said the opposite.

So you don’t understand that as Sunak shoots from the hip it takes time for Labour to respond:

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/09/20/rishi-sunak-news-live-suella-braverman-net-zero-latest/#:~:text=Key moments&text=Labour has pledged to reinstate,the policy for five years.

1 hour ago, Photoguy21 said:

Sunak is an oxygen thief. He should go back to India and sort out their problems, the UK can do without him.

Sunak was born in the UK, he’s British.

 

 

Legal challenges on the way:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/21/rishi-sunak-likely-to-face-legal-challenges-over-net-zero-u-turn