Biden makes major strategic shift at border

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The Biden administration rolled out a major strategic shift in border policy Wednesday, granting more than 400,000 Venezuelans work permits while bolstering overstretched border enforcement agencies with military assistance.

The moves respond to pressure from Democrats and immigrant advocates, but also to quickly changing dynamics on the migrant trail toward the U.S.-Mexico border, with hundreds of thousands of migrants already traveling north.

By making all Venezuelans who arrived before July 31 eligible to work and live in the country temporarily, the Biden administration seeks to ease pressure on Democratic-controlled states and cities, whose shelter systems were overwhelmed with new arrivals unable to sustain themselves.

And deploying 800 troops to the border to assist Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and the Border Patrol will free up manpower for those agencies to process migrants at and between ports of entry.

In recent weeks, CBP has at times closed major international bridges and railway crossings and redirected their personnel to help Border Patrol take migrants into custody.

On Wednesday, CBP pulled its staff from an Eagle Pass, Texas, bridge and at the railway crossing there.

“In response to this influx in encounters, we will continue to surge all available resources to expeditiously and safely process migrants. We will maximize consequences against those without a legal basis to remain in the United States,” read a CBP statement on the Eagle Pass closures.

But many Democrats have been pleading with the administration to turn its focus to work permits.

 

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[ozimoron]

Exactly what the republicans want, an orderly worker immigration scheme and more border agents. I guess all the moaning and carping about border protection failure will go away now.. No?

[Tug]

11 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Exactly what the republicans want, an orderly worker immigration scheme and more border agents. I guess all the moaning and carping about border protection failure will go away now.. No?

Oh god no the major reason we have such poor laws governing our borders is because the republicans like to use the issue to club the democrats otherwise an equitable solution would have been legislated years ago

[Isaan sailor]

Help processing aliens?  I don’t think it will deter millions more from crossing the southern border.

[freeworld]

Social media has caused this upheaval, there is no stopping it now.

 

People from the world over have information and many are headed to where life is better, how they can game the systems, how they can earn money and the infrastructure and management is better than the places from whence these people are arriving.

[ozimoron]

11 minutes ago, freeworld said:

Social media has caused this upheaval, there is no stopping it now.

 

People from the world over have information and many are headed to where life is better, how they can game the systems, how they can earn money and the infrastructure and management is better than the places from whence these people are arriving.

It's exactly like climate change. The only way this gets fixed is to spread the wealth more equitably. Like it or not, this disparity in incomes and wealth is a major driver of immigration.

[Eric Loh]

Sensible policies compare to thoughtless performative policy like building the wall. 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Sensible policies compare to thoughtless performative policy like building the wall. 

But Mexico was going to pay for it so no harm, no foul.

[heybruce]

There are a lot of farmers and businesses that will be happy to hire the Venezuelans.  We should take in more.

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

It's exactly like climate change. The only way this gets fixed is to spread the wealth more equitably. Like it or not, this disparity in incomes and wealth is a major driver of immigration.

When you say "spread the wealth", what exactly do you mean? Whose wealth, spread to whom?  There is no "the wealth", only wealth already owned by people and organizations. 

 

 

[Hanaguma]

58 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

But Mexico was going to pay for it so no harm, no foul.

Isn't it true that, under the presidency of the Bad Orange Man, that illegal border crossings dropped to the lowest levels in decades? Not to mention the vast majority are single men, not families escaping from oppression in their homelands.  Obviously driven by economics rather than by political or social strife, which means they are not asylum seekers in the general sense the word is used. 

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

When you say "spread the wealth", what exactly do you mean? Whose wealth, spread to whom?  There is no "the wealth", only wealth already owned by people and organizations. 

 

 

organisations = corporations. Here's a new idea, make them pay some tax.

[Hanaguma]

Just now, ozimoron said:

organisations = corporations. Here's a new idea, make them pay some tax.

For example? Who should pay, and to whom, and for what specific purpose? 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

For example? Who should pay, and to whom, and for what specific purpose? 

Just pick any fortune 500 companies, most of which don't pay tax. Export of green technology and assistance for manufacturing industries and renewable power generation.  Instead of mega wealthy corporations offshoring jobs to China, try actually directing that investment to developing nations

[illisdean]

19 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Isn't it true that, under the presidency of the Bad Orange Man, that illegal border crossings dropped to the lowest levels in decades? Not to mention the vast majority are single men, not families escaping from oppression in their homelands.  Obviously driven by economics rather than by political or social strife, which means they are not asylum seekers in the general sense the word is used. 

The problem is they are unvetted and unknown.

After all, what do we know about these migrants? The "dictatorship" claim is obviously rehearsed, an argument for letting this parade of thousand's of young military-aged men into the U.S. as asylum applicants.

 

Perhaps they are all Amish refugees fleeing government persecution, but more likely, they are denizens of the vast Caracas slums, known as "ranchos," which are pits of violence, crime and disorder.

Not one of these young men should be allowed in even to claim asylum without the most thorough of vetting. Americans have a right to that much. Biden's open borders are creating nothing but chaos for America and Americans.

 

NYC mayor E Adams:

“This issue will destroy New York City. … All of us are going to be impacted by this. I said it last year when we had 15,000, and I’m telling you now at 110,000. The city we knew, we’re about to lose,” he continued.

He/they may want to vote for Trump in 2024.

Adams: Cost of migrants 'will destroy New York City' - POLITICO

Additional reference:

Colombia's leftist president predicts 'billions' of migrants 'defy armies' to move north | Washington Examiner

 

Edited September 22, 2023 by illisdean

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, illisdean said:

The problem is they are unvetted and unknown.

After all, what do we know about these migrants? The "dictatorship" claim is obviously rehearsed, an argument for letting this parade of at least a thousand young military-aged men into the U.S. as asylum applicants.

 

Perhaps they are all Amish refugees fleeing government persecution, but more likely, they are denizens of the vast Caracas slums, known as "ranchos," which are pits of violence, crime and disorder.

Not one of these young men should be allowed in even to claim asylum without the most thorough of vetting. Americans have a right to that much. Biden's open borders are creating nothing but chaos for America and Americans.

 

NYC mayor E Adams:

“This issue will destroy New York City. … All of us are going to be impacted by this. I said it last year when we had 15,000, and I’m telling you now at 110,000. The city we knew, we’re about to lose,” he continued.

He/they may want to vote for Trump in 2024.

Adams: Cost of migrants 'will destroy New York City' - POLITICO

 

The solution is more jobs where they come from and removal of protectionist US farm subsidies..

Edited September 22, 2023 by ozimoron

[Hanaguma]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Just pick any fortune 500 companies, most of which don't pay tax. Export of green technology and assistance for manufacturing industries and renewable power generation.  Instead of mega wealthy corporations offshoring jobs to China, try actually directing that investment to developing nations

Any evidence to back up these assertions? 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

Any evidence to back up these assertions? 

I only made a single claim of fact, that most US fortune 500 companies don't pay tax. Dispute that?

 

At least 55 of the largest corporations in America paid no federal corporate income taxes in their most recent fiscal year despite enjoying substantial pretax profits in the United States. This continues a decades-long trend of corporate tax avoidance by the biggest U.S. corporations, and it appears to be the product of long-standing tax breaks preserved or expanded by the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) as well as the CARES Act tax breaks enacted in the spring of 2020.

 

think Trump's tax cuts for the rich.

 

https://itep.org/55-profitable-corporations-zero-corporate-tax/

[Hanaguma]

6 minutes ago, illisdean said:

The problem is they are unvetted and unknown.

After all, what do we know about these migrants? The "dictatorship" claim is obviously rehearsed, an argument for letting this parade of thousand's of young military-aged men into the U.S. as asylum applicants.

 

Perhaps they are all Amish refugees fleeing government persecution, but more likely, they are denizens of the vast Caracas slums, known as "ranchos," which are pits of violence, crime and disorder.

Not one of these young men should be allowed in even to claim asylum without the most thorough of vetting. Americans have a right to that much. Biden's open borders are creating nothing but chaos for America and Americans.

 

NYC mayor E Adams:

“This issue will destroy New York City. … All of us are going to be impacted by this. I said it last year when we had 15,000, and I’m telling you now at 110,000. The city we knew, we’re about to lose,” he continued.

He/they may want to vote for Trump in 2024.

Adams: Cost of migrants 'will destroy New York City' - POLITICO

 

The Mayor is right. The city is paying various hotels $300 per night per room to house and feed the illegal migrants. 

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I only made a single claim of fact, that most US fortune 500 companies don't pay tax. Dispute that?

 

At least 55 of the largest corporations in America paid no federal corporate income taxes in their most recent fiscal year despite enjoying substantial pretax profits in the United States. This continues a decades-long trend of corporate tax avoidance by the biggest U.S. corporations, and it appears to be the product of long-standing tax breaks preserved or expanded by the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) as well as the CARES Act tax breaks enacted in the spring of 2020.

 

think Trump's tax cuts for the rich.

 

https://itep.org/55-profitable-corporations-zero-corporate-tax/

Fifty five companies out of 500? Assuming your number is accurate, that is 11% of corporations. Hardly "most" as you claimed.  And while you may be right that they don't pay federal corporate income tax, they DO pay myriad other taxes such as payroll tax, property tax, etc.  

 

You exaggerated.

[ozimoron]

12 minutes ago, illisdean said:

The problem is they are unvetted and unknown.

After all, what do we know about these migrants? The "dictatorship" claim is obviously rehearsed, an argument for letting this parade of thousand's of young military-aged men into the U.S. as asylum applicants.

 

Perhaps they are all Amish refugees fleeing government persecution, but more likely, they are denizens of the vast Caracas slums, known as "ranchos," which are pits of violence, crime and disorder.

Not one of these young men should be allowed in even to claim asylum without the most thorough of vetting. Americans have a right to that much. Biden's open borders are creating nothing but chaos for America and Americans.

 

NYC mayor E Adams:

“This issue will destroy New York City. … All of us are going to be impacted by this. I said it last year when we had 15,000, and I’m telling you now at 110,000. The city we knew, we’re about to lose,” he continued.

He/they may want to vote for Trump in 2024.

Adams: Cost of migrants 'will destroy New York City' - POLITICO

Additional reference:

Colombia's leftist president predicts 'billions' of migrants 'defy armies' to move north | Washington Examiner

 

This is Trump's "They are not sending their best people" argument regurgitated.

 

The successful criminals have no need to migrate, they are doing very well. It's their victims who tend to show up at the border.

 

 

Edited September 22, 2023 by ozimoron

[Hanaguma]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

This is Trump's "They are not sending their best people" argument regurgitated.

 

The successful criminals have no need to migrate, they are doing very well. It's their victims who tend to show up at the border.

 

 

Then how about prosecuting the criminals? Or at least killing them. Everyone knows that the cartels and crime organizations control the border on the Mexican side, and are making bank by ferrying people to the US.  Hell, they even wear color coded wristbands (as if they were going to Disneyland) to show who paid, and to whom.  

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9343557/Color-coded-passage-Why-smugglers-tagging-U-S-bound-migrants-wristbands.html

 

 

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Then how about prosecuting the criminals? Or at least killing them. Everyone knows that the cartels and crime organizations control the border on the Mexican side, and are making bank by ferrying people to the US.  Hell, they even wear color coded wristbands (as if they were going to Disneyland) to show who paid, and to whom.  

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9343557/Color-coded-passage-Why-smugglers-tagging-U-S-bound-migrants-wristbands.html

I'm in favor of that as well. It requires financial and technical assistance to local police and governments in the affected countries to remove corrupt officials and take down organized crime.

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I'm in favor of that as well. It requires financial and technical assistance to local police and governments in the affected countries to remove corrupt officials and take down organized crime.

Agreed, but it is only part of the solution. Also have to remove the incentive to migrate in the first place. Granting people work permits, housing, bus tickets etc will only encourage more to follow.

 
I would suggest building migrant camps on the border to house people until they can have their hearings. No reason to let them roam free in the country. 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Agreed, but it is only part of the solution. Also have to remove the incentive to migrate in the first place. Granting people work permits, housing, bus tickets etc will only encourage more to follow.

 
I would suggest building migrant camps on the border to house people until they can have their hearings. No reason to let them roam free in the country. 

In the meantime, surely you'd praise Biden for sending troops to the border?

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Help processing aliens?  I don’t think it will deter millions more from crossing the southern border.

And your suggestion to control illegal border crossers would be what exactly? It is no use complaining about border crossings without coming up with an alternative.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

And your suggestion to control illegal border crossers would be what exactly? It is no use complaining about border crossings without coming up with an alternative.

Who said anything about a solution? As Tug said it suits the Republicans both to have the illegals come across the border and work for peanuts and to blame the dems for the problem. Win win.

[Sigmund]

As they say, a nation gets the politicians it deserves....

 

 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Exactly what the republicans want, an orderly worker immigration scheme and more border agents. I guess all the moaning and carping about border protection failure will go away now.. No?

Orderly? Not according to the Texas Gov: “Texas installed razor wire in Eagle Pass to stop illegal crossings,” Abbott explained on X, formerly known as Twitter. “Today the Biden Admin CUT that wire, opening the floodgates to illegal immigrants.”

 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/09/21/biden-administration-sending-800-new-troops-to-border-amid-migrant-crisis/

 

Fed v state? Looks like a good way to break up the USA. Brilliant Biden.

[bkk6060]

Disgusting.