Russia is executing soldiers who try to retreat from a bloody offensive in eastern Ukraine, the White House has said.

According to the US, some of the casualties suffered by Russia near Avdiivka were "on the orders of their own leaders".

Russian and Ukrainian troops have been locked into a fierce battle for the frontline town since mid-October.

Russia is thought to have suffered "significant" losses in this time.

Ukrainian estimates put the number of Russian casualties in Avdiivka at 5,000, while the US says that Russia lost "at least" 125 armoured vehicles and more than a battalion's worth of equipment.

A Ukrainian army spokesperson said that Russian troops were refusing to attack Ukrainian positions near Avdiivka because of heavy losses and that there had been mutinies in some units.

 

"Russia's mobilised forces remain under-trained, under-equipped and unprepared for combat, as was the case during their failed winter offensive last year," National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said in a briefing on Thursday.

He said that the Russian military "appears to be using what we would call 'human wave' tactics, just throwing masses of these poorly trained soldiers right into the fight."

"No proper equipment, no leadership, no resourcing, no support. It is unsurprising that Russian forces are suffering from poor morale," Mr Kirby added.

Taking Avdiivka - which lies near the Russian-occupied city of Donetsk - would allow Russian troops to push the front line back, making it harder for the Ukrainian forces to make further advances into Donetsk region.

Avdiivka has been all but abandoned by its 30,000 residents as Russian forces continue to pummel it. Earlier this week, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky described the situation as "particularly tough".

On Thursday, the US announced a new $150m (£123.7m) military assistance package for Ukraine that includes artillery and small-arms ammunition, as well as anti-tank weapons.

 

However, future aid to Ukraine is in doubt following the election of Republican Mike Johnson as speaker of the US House of Representatives earlier this week.

Mr Johnson - who is on the right wing of the Republican Party - is against further US aid to Ukraine and has previously supported amendments to block it.

 

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and? That has happened in every war, and is quite normal. Plenty of Brit soldiers executed for cowardice in WW1.

 

Without that threat, what sane person willingly goes towards probable death?

 

Real war isn't like the movies. Dying screaming of wounds isn't something the media normally shows.

 

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and? That has happened in every war, and is quite normal. Plenty of Brit soldiers executed for cowardice in WW1.

 

Without that threat, what sane person willingly goes towards probable death?

 

Real war isn't like the movies. Dying screaming of wounds isn't something the media normally shows.

 

Are the Ukrainians doing the same?

1 hour ago, Social Media said:

However, future aid to Ukraine is in doubt following the election of Republican Mike Johnson as speaker of the US House of Representatives earlier this week.

Mr Johnson - who is on the right wing of the Republican Party - is against further US aid to Ukraine and has previously supported amendments to block it.

Is sanity going to happen in the US congress after all? One can only hope.

Without the US, the war in Ukraine will end, but Ukraine may end up in a worse negotiating position than it would have 2 years ago.

If Zelensky ends up getting the boot even better.

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and? That has happened in every war, and is quite normal. Plenty of Brit soldiers executed for cowardice in WW1.

 

Without that threat, what sane person willingly goes towards probable death?

 

Real war isn't like the movies. Dying screaming of wounds isn't something the media normally shows.

 

TV/movie portrayal of violence has a lot to answer for.........how many times do we see someone punched in the face repeatedly only to suffer a split lip........it really is criminal.

 

Violence should be realistically portrayed so idiots know what really happens.

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2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Are the Ukrainians doing the same?

The OP doesn't say. You need to check that out yourself.

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The OP doesn't say. You need to check that out yourself.

They are not but you said

 

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and? That has happened in every war, and is quite normal.

FAIL

Just now, Will B Good said:

TV/movie portrayal of violence has a lot to answer for.........how many times do we see someone punched in the face repeatedly only to suffer a split lip........it really is criminal.

 

Violence should be realistically portrayed so idiots know what really happens.

I've only seen one western movie that portrays it realistically. The Thin Red Line had a disemboweled soldier screaming and they gave him a bag full of morphine for him to kill himself with.

 

Asian movies are far more realistic when it comes to violent death.

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

They are not but you said

 

FAIL

Link?

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Link?

Link to something that does not exist....................lol another FAIL

21 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Link to something that does not exist....................lol another FAIL

Are you lying or just making it up?

Plenty of links if one looks.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-passes-law-shoot-deserters-304911

Ukraine Passes Law Allowing Military to Shoot Deserters

Feb 06, 2015 at 12:53 PM EST

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65792384

At least 90 Ukrainian draft dodgers and deserters are thought to have died trying to escape over the border into Romania

 

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you lying or just making it up?

Plenty of links if one looks.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-passes-law-shoot-deserters-304911

Ukraine Passes Law Allowing Military to Shoot Deserters

Feb 06, 2015 at 12:53 PM EST

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65792384

At least 90 Ukrainian draft dodgers and deserters are thought to have died trying to escape over the border into Romania

 

 

You said:

 

22 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and? That has happened in every war, and is quite normal. Plenty of Brit soldiers executed for cowardice in WW1.

 

Your links do not back that up. The first from 2015 and there is no mention of any soldiers getting shot as is happening with the Russian soldiers.

 

Your second link also has absolutely no mention of anyone getting shot.

 

So are you lying or just making it up?

 

On 10/27/2023 at 5:54 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Is sanity going to happen in the US congress after all? One can only hope.

Without the US, the war in Ukraine will end, but Ukraine may end up in a worse negotiating position than it would have 2 years ago.

If Zelensky ends up getting the boot even better.

 

I agree that we should hope that sanity prevails in Congress. That would result in the US continuing to support Ukraine financially and militarily with the eventual withdrawal of Russian forces from Ukraine to follow.

 

The eviction of Putin from the Kremlin would also be a useful by-product of a Ukrainian victory.

14 hours ago, RayC said:

 

I agree that we should hope that sanity prevails in Congress. That would result in the US continuing to support Ukraine financially and militarily with the eventual withdrawal of Russian forces from Ukraine to follow.

 

The eviction of Putin from the Kremlin would also be a useful by-product of a Ukrainian victory.

Where we fundamentally disagree is that any side will achieve "victory". As this is IMO a limited war, I see only that Russia will solidify it's defenses along the present front line and Ukraine will continue to try and cause as much disruption as possible, along the lines of what they were doing before the invasion.

Is the west in general, and the US in particular in it for decades to come ( they were in Afghanistan for a very long time )? IMO they will give up eventually. Even the intervention in Afghanistan ended, leaving the taliban in charge, again. Perhaps, it is hoped, that episode will educate certain leaders of the futility of such adventures.

Of course, the 1% thank the taxpayers of the west for making them even richer, and IMO if there are any "winners" it will be the ones selling the weapons.

On 10/27/2023 at 9:50 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Without that threat, what sane person willingly goes towards probable death?

 

 

If you promise them a new Lada, they will. 😉

Btw, I'm a Russian draft dodger hiding out in Thailand. I have some first hand information

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On 10/27/2023 at 9:54 AM, Bkk Brian said:

Are the Ukrainians doing the same?

Probably... but what does that have to do with it?

2 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

 

If you promise them a new Lada, they will. 😉

Or 72 virgins

12 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Probably... but what does that have to do with it?

Follow the string of posts batman

15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Follow the string of posts batman

Read the OP robin...

Just now, Skipalongcassidy said:

Read the OP robin...

 

I did follow the string of posts batman

12 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

Btw, I'm a Russian draft dodger hiding out in Thailand. I have some first hand information

 

I don't think that I've ever read such perfect written English from a Russian. My compliments, sir 👍.

 

Out of curiosity do you speak with a Russian accent?

13 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Where we fundamentally disagree is that any side will achieve "victory". As this is IMO a limited war, I see only that Russia will solidify it's defenses along the present front line and Ukraine will continue to try and cause as much disruption as possible, along the lines of what they were doing before the invasion.

Is the west in general, and the US in particular in it for decades to come ( they were in Afghanistan for a very long time )? IMO they will give up eventually. Even the intervention in Afghanistan ended, leaving the taliban in charge, again. Perhaps, it is hoped, that episode will educate certain leaders of the futility of such adventures.

Of course, the 1% thank the taxpayers of the west for making them even richer, and IMO if there are any "winners" it will be the ones selling the weapons.

 

It's pure conjecture on all our parts what happens next: Are we entering another long 'cold war'? The US funded 30-odd years of the last one; would it do so again? Could the EU - together with the UK - take the lead from a US-led NATO in defending Europe with the US committed to supporting in the event of a war?

35 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

I don't think that I've ever read such perfect written English from a Russian. My compliments, sir 👍.

 

Out of curiosity do you speak with a Russian accent?

 

Thank you so much for your kind words. 

 

To answer your question, I don't speak with a heavy Russian accent of course. But still, people sometimes are able to guess that I am Russian.

15 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Where we fundamentally disagree is that any side will achieve "victory". As this is IMO a limited war, I see only that Russia will solidify it's defenses along the present front line and Ukraine will continue to try and cause as much disruption as possible, along the lines of what they were doing before the invasion.

Is the west in general, and the US in particular in it for decades to come ( they were in Afghanistan for a very long time )? IMO they will give up eventually. Even the intervention in Afghanistan ended, leaving the taliban in charge, again. Perhaps, it is hoped, that episode will educate certain leaders of the futility of such adventures.

Of course, the 1% thank the taxpayers of the west for making them even richer, and IMO if there are any "winners" it will be the ones selling the weapons.

The Ukrainians asked the United States and the other European democracies for assistance in evicting the criminals raping and plundering their country putin is using the almost verbatim excuses that hitler used btw.this is not Afghanistan that premise is bunk in my humble opinion not the same objective.the afghans didn’t want democracy they want a theocracy on the other hand the Ukrainians want democracy + they aren’t infected with bad religion like Afghanistan.the Ukrainians are being Forced to fight a war of survival the Russian conscripts are being forced to fight a war of aggression that’s a really big difference.

On 10/27/2023 at 9:50 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

and? That has happened in every war, and is quite normal. Plenty of Brit soldiers executed for cowardice in WW1.

 

Without that threat, what sane person willingly goes towards probable death?

 

Real war isn't like the movies. Dying screaming of wounds isn't something the media normally shows.

 

WWI..............😆

 

Tell me about Brit stuff in WWII, or later.............🤗

But you will find the Russians did shoot their own in WWII...🤕

On 10/27/2023 at 9:57 AM, Will B Good said:

Violence should be realistically portrayed so idiots know what really happens.

The original "All Quiet on the Western Front" (1930) was so brutally accurate in it's depiction of the horror of WW1 that it was banned in many cities and states.  The US Government forced Hollywood to come-up with a code forbidding a long list of combat scenarios.  Even such "accurate" films such as "Full Metal Jacket", "The Longest Day" and "Saving Private Ryan" were subject to cuts demanded by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. 

No more boys with their guts hanging out, being eaten by rats.

16 minutes ago, transam said:

WWI..............😆

 

Tell me about Brit stuff in WWII, or later.............🤗

But you will find the Russians did shoot their own in WWII...🤕

The Russian NKVD were stationed behind every combat unit.  You retreated without permission of the political commissar, you died.  Russia was said to have suffered 20 million dead during WW2. Probably 2 million of those were at the hands of the NKVD and other security services. 

Wait till they see what's in Phuket.