Hezbollah leader threatens to escalate Israel-Hamas war to protect Gaza

[Bkk Brian]

28 minutes ago, 2baht said:

 

   Is this what a misfired rocket does?

 

I wonder how many in the crowd of onlookers are hamas fighters

[ezzra]

Just now, 2baht said:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/02/israel-stikes-gaza-children-victims/#:~:text=More than 3%2C700 children have,loss of an entire generation.

This information was supplied by the Palestinians with no real verification, and again, they brought this calamity on themselves, think very hard before you kill and kidnap 1,400 innocent Israelis, many of which are babies...

[ezzra]

1 hour ago, 2baht said:

 

      The Israeli's are murdering at a rate of 6 to 1! 

Any group of terrorists who kills and kidnap 1,400 innocent people on a sabbath morning while it's leadership hides in tunnels like rats should be and will be wiped out of the face of the earth, but i don't expect you to understand or to accept it being a hams supporter...

[ezzra]

36 minutes ago, 2baht said:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/02/israel-stikes-gaza-children-victims/#:~:text=More than 3%2C700 children have,loss of an entire generation.

This information was supplied by the Palestinians with no real verification, and again, they brought this calamity on themselves, think very hard before you kill and kidnap 1,400 innocent Israelis, many of which are babies...

[observer90210]

Consider a hostage situation in a large bank (not the west bank!....a regular cash commercial bank!!..ok sorry bad pun)

 

Do the cops charge in, claim it's the criminals who started it first  and blindly shoot at anything that moves ?  or do they bring in the top negotiator team for a civilised outcome ?

Edited November 4, 2023 by observer90210

[ezzra]

[Morch]

1 hour ago, 2baht said:

 

   Is this what a misfired rocket does?

 

 

No, that's what a misleading loaded deflection post looks like.

Note that I did not deny that there are many deaths.

 

You may wish to recall (or not) the  hospital blast incident, now widely accepted as resulting from such a failed rocket.

The associated death toll figure claimed by Hamas was 500.

Whether or not there were 500 casualties is one matter, but more to the point - was there any acknowledgment of the cause? Or were them deaths just added to the Israel-did-it tab?

[Morch]

 

Topic is about Hezbollah leader's speech - most posts nothing to do with that.

Interesting.

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, simon43 said:

.... I have very little sympathy with the civilians in Gaza.  They are responsible for enabling Hamas to be the government of Gaza. 

Gaza Strip Demographics Profile

42.54 of those Gazans deserving little sympathy were born after those elections.

Another 21.67 of those deserving little sympathy were anywhere from 0 to 8 years old.

That's a total of over 64% of Gazan deserving little sympathy. Not to mention some of those in 25-54 years cohort.

[Celsius]

2 hours ago, 2baht said:

 

     3,760 dead children in Gaza, and that's 2 days ago! Is that enough revenge for you, or do you need more?

 

Need more.

[Morch]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Gaza Strip Demographics Profile

42.54 of those Gazans deserving little sympathy were born after those elections.

Another 21.67 of those deserving little sympathy were anywhere from 0 to 8 years old.

That's a total of over 64% of Gazan deserving little sympathy. Not to mention some of those in 25-54 years cohort.

 

The Hamas has been in control of the Gaza Strip for over 15 years now. It doesn't exactly matter how you try to spin things, but the fact remains that even if the people (yeah yeah - the adult, all right) are not all that supportive of it, it's not like they actively did much to change things either.

 

 

[placeholder]

Just now, Morch said:

 

The Hamas has been in control of the Gaza Strip for over 15 years now. It doesn't exactly matter how you try to spin things, but the fact remains that even if the people (yeah yeah - the adult, all right) are not all that supportive of it, it's not like they actively did much to change things either.

 

 

The lack of protest on the part of those 0-14 year olds is shocking.

As for the rest, given that once Hamas was in power it hasn't allowed elections, might be a reason that there hasn't been much protest. It's not as though Hamas is reluctant to use violence when challenged. 

[billd766]

5 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

The only people that can stop this war is the perpetrators that started it, releasing the hostages would go a long way to helping and I'm sure that like me you don't want the evil sadists who have committed these vile acts to go free. Would that be a fair summary. Let's not blame the victims here, the finger should be pointing at the perpetrators.

That would be the leadership of BOTH sides.

[Wobblybob]

Just now, billd766 said:

That would be the leadership of BOTH sides.

Hamas has promised to keep on perpetrating these barbaric and sadistic attacks and the Israelis have a duty to protect their citizens, this war was started by Hamas on the 7th, the consequences were inevitable and Hamas has done nothing to protect its own citizens, infact quite the opposite, they are using them as human shields and the are not too bothered if they are killed as it will garnish unwarranted support by the hate brigade in the West. They are total vile animals and need illiminating at all costs. Don't forget that these animals have still got among others Israeli hostages, another war crime!

[Denim]

 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Wobblybob said:

Hamas has promised to keep on perpetrating these barbaric and sadistic attacks and the Israelis have a duty to protect their citizens, this war was started by Hamas on the 7th, the consequences were inevitable and Hamas has done nothing to protect its own citizens, infact quite the opposite, they are using them as human shields and the are not too bothered if they are killed as it will garnish unwarranted support by the hate brigade in the West. They are total vile animals and need illiminating at all costs. Don't forget that these animals have still got among others Israeli hostages, another war crime!

And the government of Israel and the IDF have clean hands and would never harm a soul?

 

They would not under any circumstances for example use armoured bulldozers, tanks, ground attach aircraft, helicopter gunships to attack a Palestinian refugee camp on the west bank. That would be a war crime and/or a crime against humanity, wouldn't it?

 

Nor would they for example enforce a land, sea and air blockade against an entire people, cut off all food, water, electricity, medicine and then use armoured bulldozers, tanks, ground attach aircraft, helicopter gunships to attack the entire population of that country, indiscriminately murdering ALL men, women and children, terrorists or not. That would also be a war crime and/or a crime against humanity, wouldn't it?

 

Yet the IDF do this every day under the orders of Netanyahu , a war criminal, and his warmongering government.

 

All the world does is wring its collective hands and complain about the Hamas terrorists,

 

BUT NO country is willing to step on and stop it.

 

The USA and probably Iran could stop it by simply stopping arms supplies to each side.

 

The UN could probably stop it by putting a force into place, BUT they cannot because of the 5 permanent members, US, UK, Russia, France and the CCP of China all have a veto, and only one veto is needed to stop ANY intervention.

 

Meanwhile the slaughter on each side goes on and neither side seems to be sick of killing the people on the other side.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Denim said:

 

Thank you for an interesting and thought provoking video.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

And the government of Israel and the IDF have clean hands and would never harm a soul?

 

They would not under any circumstances for example use armoured bulldozers, tanks, ground attach aircraft, helicopter gunships to attack a Palestinian refugee camp on the west bank. That would be a war crime and/or a crime against humanity, wouldn't it?

 

Nor would they for example enforce a land, sea and air blockade against an entire people, cut off all food, water, electricity, medicine and then use armoured bulldozers, tanks, ground attach aircraft, helicopter gunships to attack the entire population of that country, indiscriminately murdering ALL men, women and children, terrorists or not. That would also be a war crime and/or a crime against humanity, wouldn't it?

 

Yet the IDF do this every day under the orders of Netanyahu , a war criminal, and his warmongering government.

 

All the world does is wring its collective hands and complain about the Hamas terrorists,

 

BUT NO country is willing to step on and stop it.

 

The USA and probably Iran could stop it by simply stopping arms supplies to each side.

 

The UN could probably stop it by putting a force into place, BUT they cannot because of the 5 permanent members, US, UK, Russia, France and the CCP of China all have a veto, and only one veto is needed to stop ANY intervention.

 

Meanwhile the slaughter on each side goes on and neither side seems to be sick of killing the people on the other side.

 

You often do these rant posts. Never bothering much with detail and facts.

 

Attacking a refugee camp is not necessarily a war crime, not unless the entire refugee camp was attacked and civilians were either targeted or mass killed indiscriminately. If a military target (such a a Hamas command outpost) is located in refugee camp, it may be attacked. Also, refugee camp is a somewhat misleading term. This isn't a bunch of tents in the desert or something, but an urban built up area.

 

The blockade on the Gaza Strip was put in place for a reason - Hamas actions and policies. It was not always in place, and not as strict. There was no killing of all the population other than in your mind.

 

Netanyahu is yet to be convicted of any war crimes.

 

The UN does not have an army of its own, and cannot put a force into place. That's not how it works.

 

You always do them long rants about Israel, can't seem to have much interest or information regarding the other side.

[Wobblybob]

Just now, billd766 said:

And the government of Israel and the IDF have clean hands and would never harm a soul?

 

They would not under any circumstances for example use armoured bulldozers, tanks, ground attach aircraft, helicopter gunships to attack a Palestinian refugee camp on the west bank. That would be a war crime and/or a crime against humanity, wouldn't it?

 

Nor would they for example enforce a land, sea and air blockade against an entire people, cut off all food, water, electricity, medicine and then use armoured bulldozers, tanks, ground attach aircraft, helicopter gunships to attack the entire population of that country, indiscriminately murdering ALL men, women and children, terrorists or not. That would also be a war crime and/or a crime against humanity, wouldn't it?

 

Yet the IDF do this every day under the orders of Netanyahu , a war criminal, and his warmongering government.

 

All the world does is wring its collective hands and complain about the Hamas terrorists,

 

BUT NO country is willing to step on and stop it.

 

The USA and probably Iran could stop it by simply stopping arms supplies to each side.

 

The UN could probably stop it by putting a force into place, BUT they cannot because of the 5 permanent members, US, UK, Russia, France and the CCP of China all have a veto, and only one veto is needed to stop ANY intervention.

 

Meanwhile the slaughter on each side goes on and neither side seems to be sick of killing the people on the other side.

If the Israelis didn't have any weapons Bill quite simply they would cease to exist, the catalyst that led to all this carnage was started by the Palestinian terrorists and many think that they should be brought to justice, I saw two sights today that greatly disturbed me bill, one was a naked unconscious female hostage being paraded in some street on the back of a pick up whilst being savagely being beaten with lengths of timber or anything else these savages could get their hands on, these people were not Hamas that was doing the beating the were ordinary Palestinians. The second was a image of a young lady that these savages had cut her Achilles's heel to prevent her from running away and just prior to that she had been brutally subjected to gang anal rape. These people must be brought to justice and swiftly before they have chance to subject anymore decent civilians to their sadistic savagery.

 

But as I stated earlier, it is on record that Hamas has no intention of stopping their brutal attack on Israelis and as far as I'm concerned these murderous terrorists do not deserve a 'get out of jail for free card'. 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Wobblybob said:

If the Israelis didn't have any weapons Bill quite simply they would cease to exist, the catalyst that led to all this carnage was started by the Palestinian terrorists and many think that they should be brought to justice, I saw two sights today that greatly disturbed me bill, one was a naked unconscious female hostage being paraded in some street on the back of a pick up whilst being savagely being beaten with lengths of timber or anything else these savages could get their hands on, these people were not Hamas that was doing the beating the were ordinary Palestinians. The second was a image of a young lady that these savages had cut her Achilles's heel to prevent her from running away and just prior to that she had been brutally subjected to gang anal rape. These people must be brought to justice and swiftly before they have chance to subject anymore decent civilians to their sadistic savagery.

 

But as I stated earlier, it is on record that Hamas has no intention of stopping their brutal attack on Israelis and as far as I'm concerned these murderous terrorists do not deserve a 'get out of jail for free card'. 

And now you start to see the problem for Hamas. They have no organised military, no tanks, helicopter gunships and no ground attack aircraft. The only weapons they have in quantity are items like AK47 rifles, rockets, knives and people to defend their shrinking territory and all the Palestinians in Gaza  from the IDF.

 

Yet the USA supplies and supports Israel.

 

The rest of the world tries to ignore the conflict.

 

If the IDF kills every man, women and child in Gaza, the West Bank and the Lebanon, there will still be millions more Palestinians left around the world to wreak havoc on Israel.

 

A case of an eye for an rye, a tooth for a tooth and my life for your life.

 

This has been going on since Israel was created, it will carry on for as long as 1 person on each side is still alive, unless people get sick and tired of killing each other, and that has not happened in the world yet.

Edited November 4, 2023 by billd766

[Wobblybob]

Just now, billd766 said:

And now you start to see the problem for Hamas. They have no organised military, no tanks, helicopter gunships and no ground attack aircraft. The only weapons they have in quantity are items like AK47 rifles, rockets, knives and people to defend their shrinking territory and all the Palestinians in Gaza  from the IDF.

You are blaming the Israelis for being attacked!

[Morch]

32 minutes ago, billd766 said:

And now you start to see the problem for Hamas. They have no organised military, no tanks, helicopter gunships and no ground attack aircraft. The only weapons they have in quantity are items like AK47 rifles, rockets, knives and people to defend their shrinking territory and all the Palestinians in Gaza  from the IDF.

 

Yet the USA supplies and supports Israel.

 

The rest of the world tries to ignore the conflict.

 

If the IDF kills every man, women and child in Gaza, the West Bank and the Lebanon, there will still be millions more Palestinians left around the world to wreak havoc on Israel.

 

A case of an eye for an rye, a tooth for a tooth and my life for your life.

 

This has been going on since Israel was created, it will carry on for as long as 1 person on each side is still alive, unless people get sick and tired of killing each other, and that has not happened in the world yet.

 

You conveniently forgot to mention thousands of rockets, mortars, anti-tank missiles. But anyway, there is no requirement for fighting forces to be of equal strength (that's often not the case), and of course, plenty of good reasons why Hamas cannot buy advanced arms or hold on to them even if it could get them. This have to do with being a terrorist organization.

 

Other than in your posts, the IDF is not out to kill all Palestinians. You keep bringing this bit of hyperbole quite often. Palestinian demographics tell a different story.

 

 

[novacova]

On 11/4/2023 at 7:57 AM, 2baht said:

Someone needs to reel in Israel! They can't continue this senseless carnage!

Yes, Israel is currently working on it, they’ll get out of there when the task that was initiated by Hamas is completed.

[novacova]

On 11/4/2023 at 7:46 AM, Social Media said:

“What the Israelis do to Lebanon will also determine how we will act,”

What Hezbollah does/did to Israelis will/have already made the determination of how Israel will act.

[Hanaguma]

On 11/4/2023 at 2:02 PM, placeholder said:

The lack of protest on the part of those 0-14 year olds is shocking.

As for the rest, given that once Hamas was in power it hasn't allowed elections, might be a reason that there hasn't been much protest. It's not as though Hamas is reluctant to use violence when challenged. 

There is a large gap between "not much protest" and "dancing in the streets in ecstasy and spitting on the desecrated body of a young murdered girl".

[Hanaguma]

On 11/4/2023 at 8:12 PM, Morch said:

 

You conveniently forgot to mention thousands of rockets, mortars, anti-tank missiles. But anyway, there is no requirement for fighting forces to be of equal strength (that's often not the case), and of course, plenty of good reasons why Hamas cannot buy advanced arms or hold on to them even if it could get them. This have to do with being a terrorist organization.

 

Other than in your posts, the IDF is not out to kill all Palestinians. You keep bringing this bit of hyperbole quite often. Palestinian demographics tell a different story.

 

 

IMHO a large part of the IDF's mission is to destroy the terrorist infrastructure that has been built (using UN and other donated relief supplies) over the past 15 years. Clear out the tunnels, the underground bunkers, the command structure built under schools/hospitals/mosques, the storage facilities for rockets, etc.

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

There is a large gap between "not much protest" and "dancing in the streets in ecstasy and spitting on the desecrated body of a young murdered girl".

So, you too have little sympathy for the Palestinian? The 40 something percent of Palestinians 14 and under?

Edited November 5, 2023 by placeholder

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So, you too have little sympathy for the Palestinian? The 40 something percent of Palestinians 14 and under?

 

Virtue signaling is one way not to address points raised.

[placeholder]

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Virtue signaling is one way not to address points raised.

It's funny. You evaporated earlier on this issue when I pointed out that I was replying to a person who said he had little sympathy for the Palestinians in Gaza. I think that's a pretty nasty sentiment. Apparently, you think it's virtue signaling to point that out. That it was somehow grandstanding to comment. Or maybe you agree with him? Maybe you have little sympathy, too?

[Morch]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

It's funny. You evaporated earlier on this issue when I pointed out that I was replying to a person who said he had little sympathy for the Palestinians in Gaza. I think that's a pretty nasty sentiment. Apparently, you think it's virtue signaling to point that out. That it was somehow grandstanding to comment. Or maybe you agree with him? Maybe you have little sympathy, too?

 

Evaporated? No idea what you're on about.

I'm not always very impressed with your displays of faux indignation, or virtue signaling.