Russian court bans 'LGBT movement'

[CharlieH]

 

Russia's Supreme Court has declared what it calls "the international LGBT public movement" an extremist organisation and banned its activities across the country.

The ruling was prompted by a motion from the justice ministry, even though no such organisation exists as a legal entity.

The hearing was held behind closed doors, but reporters were allowed in to hear the court's decision. Nobody from "the defendant's side" had been present, the court said.

Russia's constitution was changed three years ago to make it clear that marriage means a union between a man and a woman. Same-sex unions are not recognised here.

Ahead of the ruling, I asked Sergei Troshin, a municipal deputy in St Petersburg who came out as gay last year, what effect it would have.

"I think this will mean that anyone whom the state considers an LGBT activist could receive a long prison sentence for 'participating in an extremist organisation'," he said.

 

"For the organiser of such a group, the prison term will be even longer.

"This is real repression. There is panic in Russia's LGBT community. People are emigrating urgently. The actual word we're using is evacuation. We're having to evacuate from our own country. It's terrible."

 

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[KhunLA]

Mixed thoughts on that.  Believe in free expression, but special interest groups definitely go way too far, thinking they are entitled.  

 

As far as the definition of marriage, that's a local issue to be decided by the people.  Whether that is fairly done anywhere is a big question mark.  Some with any social issue in any country.

[Georgealbert]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Mixed thoughts on that.  Believe in free expression, but special interest groups definitely go way too far, thinking they are entitled.  

 

As far as the definition of marriage, that's a local issue to be decided by the people.  Whether that is fairly done anywhere is a big question mark.  Some with any social issue in any country.

Seems you like free speech, but only if it matches your views!

 

Are you insecure, is that why LGBT worry you. Why are people so scared of a rainbow flag?

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Georgealbert said:

Seems you like free speech, but only if it matches your views!

 

Are you insecure, is that why LGBT worry you. Why are people so scared of a rainbow flag?

A few assumptions, all wrong, since not knowing me.

 

Apparently you didn't understand my post.   Have a nice day.

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Mixed thoughts on that.  Believe in free expression, but special interest groups definitely go way too far, thinking they are entitled.  

 

As far as the definition of marriage, that's a local issue to be decided by the people.  Whether that is fairly done anywhere is a big question mark.  Some with any social issue in any country.

No decent person should have mixed feelings about such an incredibly oppressive law. Shame on you. 

[JCauto]

44 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

A few assumptions, all wrong, since not knowing me.

 

Apparently you didn't understand my post.   Have a nice day.

Indeed, he assumed that you speak and write English and the definition of the words you used are those written in dictionaries and used in normal speech by those who are fluent in English.

Your own words are contradictory and were correctly interpreted by the poster.

[ignore it]

And so having failed at alienating the entire world with an invasion, Russia continues its campaign towards becoming a total pirah by becoming anti LGBT.

Next on the list: curries and kabobs.

[KhunLA]

Just re-read what I posted, and can't see how that got misunderstood.

 

As with all social issues, that is the right of the locals to decide what they want.  Same as TH or USA.  Free expression is the right to say or do, what ever you please, within the law.

 

By entitled, I'm referring to men using woman's restrooms, insisting on the meaning of words to be change, and all must use, whether agreeing or not to their meaning.  Having genders taught in school, to young children against parents wishes.  School is for the 3 R's, sciences, not family social issues.  

 

Forcing business to provide separate restrooms, or allow men or ladies to use the one not aligned with their birth sex.  Forced pronoun use, redefined and confusing as hell.

 

There are 2 sexes; male & female.  Genders, that's up to you, and anything you want to call yourself, but don't force everyone to conform to your lifestyle.   In my world there's 3, heterosexual, bisexual & homosexual ... pick one.  Feel free to call yourself something else, just don't expect me to agree with you.

[radiochaser]

56 minutes ago, ignore it said:

And so having failed at alienating the entire world with an invasion, Russia continues its campaign towards becoming a total pirah by becoming anti LGBT.

Next on the list: curries and kabobs.

Seems like they have been anti lgbt for a long time, even before it became popular to fly a flag about it. 

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

No decent person should have mixed feelings about such an incredibly oppressive law. Shame on you. 

Banning that flag would be OK by me.

[Georgealbert]

21 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Banning that flag would be OK by me.

555555

 

Another poster, so insecure their are scared of a flag. Why do you live in Thailand with it relaxed views on these issues, you must have so much pent up repression.

[Georgealbert]

40 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Just re-read what I posted, and can't see how that got misunderstood.

 

As with all social issues, that is the right of the locals to decide what they want. Same as TH or USA. Free expression is the right to say or do, what ever you please, within the law.

 

By entitled, I'm referring to men using woman's restrooms, insisting on the meaning of words to be change, and all must use, whether agreeing or not to their meaning. Having genders taught in school, to young children against parents wishes. School is for the 3 R's, sciences, not family social issues.  

 

Forcing business to provide separate restrooms, or allow men or ladies to use the one not aligned with their birth sex. Forced pronoun use, redefined and confusing as hell.

 

There are 2 sexes; male & female. Genders, that's up to you, and anything you want to call yourself, but don't force everyone to conform to your lifestyle. In my world there's 3, heterosexual, bisexual & homosexual ... pick one. Feel free to call yourself something else, just don't expect me to agree with you.

Sorry but reading this makes me think I had full understanding of what you said. You like free speech if it meets your views.

 

Everyone has the right to their own views, so thanks for the reply, but my view is that your either wrong or have expresses in badly.

[soalbundy]

23 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

555555

 

Another poster, so insecure their are scared of a flag. Why do you live in Thailand with it relaxed views on these issues, you must have so much pent up repression.

The flag is an affront to the eyes. They want to be accepted and included into society but set themselves apart by having their own flag, "Hey look at me, I'm different", no you aren't, you're boring. Thais don't have a relaxed view on these issues, they are polite and avoid confrontation which you would know if you could speak Thai and listen to what is said behind their backs, but never openly. 

[Georgealbert]

21 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

The flag is an affront to the eyes. They want to be accepted and included into society but set themselves apart by having their own flag, "Hey look at me, I'm different", no you aren't, you're boring. Thais don't have a relaxed view on these issues, they are polite and avoid confrontation which you would know if you could speak Thai and listen to what is said behind their backs, but never openly. 

555555

 

Must of hit a sore point there.

 

Nice try about talking Thai, do you really think your the only expat that speaks Thai?

 

I think the Thai views on issues depends on the type of Thai you are talking with and in what situation, bar, workplace, area of the country, education, background, etc.

 

It good to know that you think you speak for all Thais’. 
 

 

[soalbundy]

3 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

555555

 

Must of hit a sore point there.

 

Nice try about talking Thai, do you really think your the only expat that speaks Thai?

 

I think the Thai views on issues depends on the type of Thai you are talking with and in what situation, bar, workplace, area of the country, education, background, etc.

 

It good to know that you think you speak for all Thais’. 
 

 

generalizations are always abhorrent, but I'm an A$$hole, it's what I do.

[Jingthing]

Just now, soalbundy said:

generalizations are always abhorrent, but I'm an A$$hole, it's what I do.

Know thyself.

[parallelman]

I thought Russia (USSR) was anti-homosexual from way back, 'golden boys' to Siberia etc. I guess just ruling on LBGT is an extension or update. No surprises though.

[Georgealbert]

20 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

generalizations are always abhorrent, but I'm an A$$hole, it's what I do.

55555

 

Best post I read today. 
 

We agree to disagree.

 

Enjoy your day

[radiochaser]

1 hour ago, Georgealbert said:

555555

 

Must of hit a sore point there.

 

Nice try about talking Thai, do you really think your the only expat that speaks Thai?

 

I think the Thai views on issues depends on the type of Thai you are talking with and in what situation, bar, workplace, area of the country, education, background, etc.

 

It good to know that you think you speak for all Thais’. 
 

 

Arachnophobia and acrophobia. 

Then there are the heterophobia people. 

Edited December 1, 2023 by radiochaser

[Georgealbert]

5 minutes ago, radiochaser said:

Arachnophobia and acrophobia. 

Then there are the heterophobia people. 

555555
 

Sorry I am a straight male and always have been, just not good at marriages (had to many). I have a few things that I do not like, but hetrophobia only comes into play when protecting my bank balance.

 

Copy of pics to help you.

 

 

[Baht Simpson]

8 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Mixed thoughts on that.  Believe in free expression, but special interest groups definitely go way too far, thinking they are entitled.  

 

As far as the definition of marriage, that's a local issue to be decided by the people.  Whether that is fairly done anywhere is a big question mark.  Some with any social issue in any country.

Weasel words. You think that people who "go too far and "think they are entitled" should face long prison sentences? I was always under the impression that they were reserved for people who commit serious crimes, not people who have different sexual preferences and who campaign for equality.  

 

And it's no use droning on about how awful you think it is that trans women are using women's toilets to try to cover yourself. That's got nothing to do with this issue. 

 

If you believe in free expression you believe in the right for anyone to campaign on any issue as long as it's done peacefully. 

[Baht Simpson]

The only good side to this I can see is that Russian LGBT+ persons will now conform to the former U.K. Home Secretary's criteria for accepting them as social refugees, although they'll probably move the goalposts again. 

[ChrisKC]

9 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Mixed thoughts on that.  Believe in free expression, but special interest groups definitely go way too far, thinking they are entitled.  

 

As far as the definition of marriage, that's a local issue to be decided by the people.  Whether that is fairly done anywhere is a big question mark.  Some with any social issue in any country.

The LGBT community should be entitled - to basic human rights!!

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, ChrisKC said:

The LGBT community should be entitled - to basic human rights!!

They are, all men & women are, not matter what gender you want to call yourself.  Marriage is not a human right.   Frankly, they should count their blessings 

 

I wish I wasn't allowed to marry a few of my past partners.

[KhunLA]

3 hours ago, Baht Simpson said:

Weasel words. You think that people who "go too far and "think they are entitled" should face long prison sentences? I was always under the impression that they were reserved for people who commit serious crimes, not people who have different sexual preferences and who campaign for equality.  

 

And it's no use droning on about how awful you think it is that trans women are using women's toilets to try to cover yourself. That's got nothing to do with this issue. 

 

If you believe in free expression you believe in the right for anyone to campaign on any issue as long as it's done peacefully. 

I wrote a follow up post, as obviously a few misunderstood my 1st, but either it got deleted, or I didn't hit submit or had an oops when I did, and didn't notice.  Can't be bothered to type it again.

 

Forum members should be happy they don't live in RU.

[KhunLA]

35 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I wrote a follow up post, as obviously a few misunderstood my 1st, but either it got deleted, or I didn't hit submit or had an oops when I did, and didn't notice.  Can't be bothered to type it again.

 

Forum members should be happy they don't live in RU.

@Baht Simpson Check that it's still there

[Tug]

6 hours ago, soalbundy said:

The flag is an affront to the eyes. They want to be accepted and included into society but set themselves apart by having their own flag, "Hey look at me, I'm different", no you aren't, you're boring. Thais don't have a relaxed view on these issues, they are polite and avoid confrontation which you would know if you could speak Thai and listen to what is said behind their backs, but never openly. 

I donno,I don’t think people choose to be homosexual they just are,I’ve never been or felt threatened by them we all know how strong our sex drive is they aren’t a threat.what could you possibly expect from a government that trains its felons to invade its neighbor?compasson?acceptance?I’ve come to expect only the worst from Russia under Putin and it’s a shame they are better than that 😞 

[WhatMeWorry]

Well, the Russians have that going for them.

[WhatMeWorry]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

I wrote a follow up post, as obviously a few misunderstood my 1st, but either it got deleted, or I didn't hit submit or had an oops when I did, and didn't notice.  Can't be bothered to type it again.

 

Forum members should be happy they don't live in RU.

I lived in Russian for awhile, I quite enjoyed it. The women are very beautiful and they have some great beers in Russia. Traveling around Russia by train is a great experience as you get to meet many local people. I never had any problems and was always welcomed into peoples homes. And one of the best things was not seeing the debauchery imposed on Western society by those waving the rainbow flag.

[jchfriis]

8 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Just re-read what I posted, and can't see how that got misunderstood.

 

As with all social issues, that is the right of the locals to decide what they want.  Same as TH or USA.  Free expression is the right to say or do, what ever you please, within the law.

 

By entitled, I'm referring to men using woman's restrooms, insisting on the meaning of words to be change, and all must use, whether agreeing or not to their meaning.  Having genders taught in school, to young children against parents wishes.  School is for the 3 R's, sciences, not family social issues.  

 

Forcing business to provide separate restrooms, or allow men or ladies to use the one not aligned with their birth sex.  Forced pronoun use, redefined and confusing as hell.

 

There are 2 sexes; male & female.  Genders, that's up to you, and anything you want to call yourself, but don't force everyone to conform to your lifestyle.   In my world there's 3, heterosexual, bisexual & homosexual ... pick one.  Feel free to call yourself something else, just don't expect me to agree with you.

I fail to see what you are saying here has anything to do with Russia banning a LGBT Movement, a movement that doesn't even exist in Russia. Putin needs scapegoats to take his peoples eyes off what a mess his regime is and LGBTs are an easy target. This has been done before in history. It's in the playbook for dictators. You may know that Hitler killed not only jews in his death camps, but also the mentally sick and homosexuals.