Trump, allies fire back at media warnings of second-term dictatorship

[charleskerins]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Oh is he?, thanks for letting me know .

You didn't already ? Hmmmm

[bignok]

1 minute ago, charleskerins said:

Nope     i.e. false.   

Please study history.

[charleskerins]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

Doesn't threatening to jail his opponents amount to a plan for dictatorship?

Yep   

[bignok]

Just now, charleskerins said:

 Hitler was a Fascist dictator.  

Yes a socialist dictator. Totalartarian rather than a fascist.

 

Mussolini a socialist founded the fascist party.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, charleskerins said:

You didn't already ? Hmmmm

 

   Fascists by definition hold on to power and don't relinquish it and they ban any further elections 

As Trump stood down from the last election result , that means he cannot be a fascist 

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Fascists by definition hold on to power and don't relinquish it and they ban any further elections 

As Trump stood down from the last election result , that means he cannot be a fascist 

 

He never acknowledges that he lost, is the only president in modern history not to concede and falsely claims to this day that the election was stolen. He incited an insurrection in an attempt to prevent he transfer of power. Most people would consider those the actions of a would be dictator. He doesn't need to actually accomplish his goal just as a failed bank robber is still a bank robber.

Edited December 5, 2023 by ozimoron

[bignok]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

He never acknowledges that he lost, is the only president in modern history not to concede and falsely claims to this day that the election was stolen. He incited an insurrection in an attempt to prevent he transfer of power. Most people would consider those the actions of a would be dictator. He doesn't need to actually accomplish his goal just as a failed bank robber is still a bank robber.

You are alive

[charleskerins]

Just now, bignok said:

Please study history.

 I have     I also have read a keep a copy of the Nightmare Years by William Shirer maybe you should give it a try. 

 Anyone that doesn't know Hitler was a Fascist dictator should not be telling anyone to study history. Oh wait he was the leader of the Socialist party so he must be a Socialist right of course that's why he and the Socialaist fought in the streets and the NAZIS crushed them when they took power,that's why they imprisoned leaders of the trade unions   because they were such supporters of Socialism.  

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

—Martin Niemöller       Try a little studying        Next 

 

[bignok]

Trump is selfish. He isnt a fascist. 

[charleskerins]

6 minutes ago, bignok said:

Yes a socialist dictator. Totalartarian rather than a fascist.

 

Mussolini a socialist founded the fascist party.

History isn't your thing     

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

He never acknowledges that he lost, is the only president in modern history not to concede and falsely claims to this day that the election was stolen. He incited an insurrection in an attempt to prevent he transfer of power. Most people would consider those the actions of a would be dictator. He doesn't need to actually accomplish his goal just as a failed bank robber is still a bank robber.

 

  As hes not POTUS now , that means he wasn't and isn't a fascist .

[novacova]

8 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The sad reality is that you would defend any move by Trump to establish a dictatorship. 

 

 

Sad reality is that you have no clue where I stand, all you have is personal assumptions, that’s it.

[charleskerins]

Just now, bignok said:

Trump is selfish. He isnt a fascist. 

you don't understand Fascism

[bignok]

Just now, charleskerins said:

 I have     I also have read a keep a copy of the Nightmare Years by William Shirer maybe you should give it a try. 

 Anyone that doesn't know Hitler was a Fascist dictator should not be telling anyone to study history. Oh wait he was the leader of the Socialist party so he must be a Socialist right of course that's why he and the Socialaist fought in the streets and the NAZIS crushed them when they took power,that's why they imprisoned leaders of the trade unions   because they were such supporters of Socialism.  

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

—Martin Niemöller       Try a little studying        Next 

 

Read all of that. Hitler was a socialist for 20 years before he became crazy. He hated capitalism. Said so in speeches.

[bignok]

Just now, charleskerins said:

you don't understand Fascism

You wouldnt have a clue. Mussolini founded it. Stateism.

 

 

[charleskerins]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  As hes not POTUS now , that means he wasn't and isn't a fascist .

Means it to who? When he had Lafayette Square cleared he was  A Fascist ,when he attempted a coup to override the will of the people he was a Fascist ,when he threatens to jail his political opponent he is a Fascist .    Did you ever take a class on 20th Century history?

[charleskerins]

1 minute ago, bignok said:

Read all of that. Hitler was a socialist for 20 years before he became crazy. He hated capitalism. Said so in speeches.

He fought the Socialists in the streets after WW1   the capitalists backed him because they hated Socialism. Hitler was a Fascist 

[charleskerins]

9 minutes ago, bignok said:

You wouldnt have a clue. Mussolini founded it. Stateism.

 

 

This is a waste of time -you're the one that needs a clue and a book to read. Guy thinks Mussolini founded Socialism    'Seeing those gains, Mussolini took on the Socialists by force. In 1919, Mussolini created the Fasci Italiani di Combattimento, (Italian Combat Squads), the precursor to his Fascist Party. This group engaged in violence against Socialists and other enemies. In 1921, he founded the Fascist Party, turning his paramilitary movement into a formal political party. He coined the name of the party based on the Italian word for bundle—fascio—in reference to bundles of rods used in ancient Rome to symbolize strength through unity. The party emphasized national unity—even if it required violence to keep dissenters in check.'    Source the history Channel   Maybe I should start an online class and rectify the lack of education some of you demonstrate?

Edited December 5, 2023 by charleskerins

[novacova]

5 hours ago, sirineou said:

From the horse's mouth!!

"Donald Trump Says He Never Swore Oath 'to Support the Constitution

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https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-oath-support-constitution-colorado-insurrection-1847482

I made no mention of Trump. What is it with the Trump obsession many have? Some sort of pathological psychosis or something? It must have some level of social impediment one would assume.

[bignok]

Just now, charleskerins said:

This is a waste of time -you're the one that needs a clue and a book to read.

I can see you never studied economics or history.

[bignok]

3 minutes ago, charleskerins said:

He fought the Socialists in the streets after WW1   the capitalists backed him because they hated Socialism. Hitler was a Fascist 

He fought everyone who didnt support him. You really no have clue. He was hungry for power. The Jews were capitaliats, he killed them. He signed a deal with the Soviets but renigged.

 

 

[bignok]

Hitler expressed opposition to capitalism, regarding it as having Jewish origins and accusing capitalism of holding nations to ransom.

[Yellowtail]

Just now, bignok said:

Hitler expressed opposition to capitalism, regarding it as having Jewish origins and accusing capitalism of holding nations to ransom.

The left is still wanting to eradicate the Jews, just look at the way they support hamas...

[charleskerins]

20 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Fascists by definition hold on to power and don't relinquish it and they ban any further elections 

As Trump stood down from the last election result , that means he cannot be a fascist 

Nope that would be a successful Fascist,  There are   unsuccessful Fascists  -still Fascists.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, charleskerins said:

Nope that would be a successful Fascist,  There are   unsuccessful Fascists  -still Fascists.

 

translation: they claim that because Trump is an idiot he can't be a fascist.

[bignok]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The left is still wanting to eradicate the Jews, just look at the way they support hamas...

Correct. That's why I view him as a socialist. There's mild socialists and radical ones. AH was a radical one. AH hated the mild ones but he hated the Jews even more being capitalists.

 

 

[mikebike]

10 hours ago, novacova said:

…by the left.

Dictator by what definition? Just because a group states a descriptive doesn’t make it true. Though such descriptives are a reflection of those who hurled them.

Ok Neville... nothing to see here. 

 

Those who ignore etcetera... 

[bignok]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

translation: they claim that because Trump is an idiot he can't be a fascist.

Fascists believe in stateism. Trump is a capitalist.  Fascists oppose free markets.

 

 

[charleskerins]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The left is still wanting to eradicate the Jews, just look at the way they support hamas...

False history for dummies see above ,remember sports fans the NAZIS were lefties that's why the Socialists and Commies were their enemies.  "Breaking 
News North Korea is a Democracy"

[charleskerins]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

translation: they claim that because Trump is an idiot he can't be a fascist.

There are some confused folks on this website.  One fellow thinks Mussolini started the Socialist Party -you know the Italian fellow that started the Fascist Party.