My observations for a recent trip to Pattaya.

[StayinThailand2much]

2 hours ago, actonion said:

The old Farang at the Bar in the Morning, have been there since the night before

 

Saw this earlier this year in Pattaya too; several old guys (15 to twenty years older than me) sitting alone every morning (after 8 or 9 a.m.) at the same beer bars, nursing one beer over an hour and longer, while staring at the empty Soi in front of them... But no, they weren't there since the night before, but arrived at the bar as soon as it opened to have a liquid 'breakfast'.

[Olmate]

20 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

 

That's fine for all the bored alcoholics with nothing better to do on topics that advertise said bored alcoholic fog. This OP was making a genuine, decent contribution to a forum that seems to decay more and more with each passing day.

His only worthy comment was regarding his laundry lady, good to here she,s busy!! 

[Olmate]

3 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

OP - Thank you for your trip report. It's always nice to see Thailand from a fresh perspective.

 

To some other negative Nancy's - if you don't have something nice to say, then don't say it. Make your momma proud, not hang her head in shame.

Your kidding, daily utubers spoute this drivel

[Tropicalevo]

58 minutes ago, JimTripper said:

Most guys that like other guys would not be in a gay venue. They chat up other guys in places that are oriented to straights and appear uninterested in the girls. That's why I'm always suspicious of guys that want to chit chat in places where they should be talking to the women.

 

Many don't realize they are gay. They just know they are more comfortable being with and talking to other guys, or just doing things with other guys in general. Over time, they may come out and admit they like males better, but it can take a long time or years for that to happen.

 

For some much older guys like this, it never even turns sexual. It's just a guy that has all these male friends, usually much younger then himself, and it looks odd that he's having all these pool parties with little or no women present. People sometimes think why is this guy not married of have a gf and he is always around a group of guys? Kind of like an uncle figure, but it's not family.

You seem to know a lot about gays. I'm impressed.

However, I kept two wives (and a number of girlfriends and 'encounters') very happy for almost 60 years.

I still 'date' ladies, but I have no interest in a more intimate relation ship with them.

Sorry, no gay experiences or feelings - latent or otherwise.

Having had my prostate removed, intimate encounters of any kind are low on my bucket list.

[oxo1947]

1 hour ago, StayinThailand2much said:

several old guys (15 to twenty years older than me)

 

As no one knows your age-- that seems to really help, in narrowing their  age down................

[JimTripper]

1 hour ago, Tropicalevo said:

You seem to know a lot about gays. I'm impressed.

However, I kept two wives (and a number of girlfriends and 'encounters') very happy for almost 60 years.

I still 'date' ladies, but I have no interest in a more intimate relation ship with them.

Sorry, no gay experiences or feelings - latent or otherwise.

Having had my prostate removed, intimate encounters of any kind are low on my bucket list.

Do you prefer the company of men, or men doing things with other men? That's what being gay is mostly. It makes little difference who you are doing a physical sex act with as it's just a physical release. A female could be more socially accepted to do that with or more available to you. You could also be bi and like both, but it's about who you are comfortable spending time with.

[Tropicalevo]

Your preference of the gayness thing and apparent lack of of comprehension indicates to me that you are trolling.

Goodbye.

(Now where is the ignore bit?)

[StayinThailand2much]

44 minutes ago, oxo1947 said:

 

As no one knows your age-- that seems to really help, in narrowing their  age down................

 

Depends how you define old. They weren't teenagers, but retired guys.

[jacko45k]

17 hours ago, advancebooking said:

farang men sitting alone at tables. Bar girls standing at the front of the bar staring at people walking down the road- with their backs to these guys. Got to wonder what sort of business model this is.

The 2024 one.... a lady will peel off as you enter, if you are not quick to buy her a drink they are off to leave you alone. Plenty of reason not to buy a drink for them as they are overpriced and consumed quickly. 

 

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I saw a lot of overweight old men lying in the sun for long time

Are they any better than the younger ones strutting around shirtless, for some strange reason big bushy beards being sported, and having upper torso mostly covered in tatts, it looks like someone has vomited pizza over them?

[DUNROAMIN]

18 hours ago, advancebooking said:

I just visited Pats and rented a condo short term near beach road. Observations:

- Walking street was really busy and a lot of fun. Great vibes there. Worth spending a night out on W.S for sure

- Hot Tuna bar has a fantastic rock band. 

- I noticed about 15 officers with DOPA jackets on surrounding a shop that had the BB guns. I asked the officer what was going on. He said 'checking documents'. I thought that was quite odd for all of them to be there at 1030pm at night. 

- I tried to get my washing done at a small laundry in the condo building at 9am. She said pick it up tomorrow. Noticed she had a balcony with empty rack (no clothes drying or anything from other customers). It was a hot morning with breeze. I thought it was ridiculous to suggest that it couldn't be done same day. Ended up buying small washing powder and putting it in machine myself elsewhere. Hung it up and was dry in 2 to 3 hours on balcony at condo. 

- There was so much plastic and rubbish on the sand at the beach. Last year I saw a tractor with the scrapper blade driving up and down the beach. Why do they not use this every morning during peak season. Hopeless local government. 

- I saw a lot of overweight old men lying in the sun for long time. Red lobster bodies and faces. 

- Walked down soi 6 and noticed a lot of farang men sitting alone at tables. Bar girls standing at the front of the bar staring at people walking down the road- with their backs to these guys. Got to wonder what sort of business model this is. Why are they not socialising with the fine specimens in the bar?

- Walking along beach road at night I saw a lot of working girls from many nationalities. A few looked Indian ladies. A lot of large African ladies, lot of trans gender thais and normal thai girls. 

- During morning exercise along the beach noticed some old farang at the bar having beer for breakfast. 

 

Thats about all I observed. 

Sounds like it has'nt changed much.

[The Old Bull]

19 hours ago, proton said:

'Bar girls standing at the front of the bar staring at people walking down the road- with their backs to these guys. Got to wonder what sort of business model this is. Why are they not socialising with the fine specimens in the bar?'

 

Because most of them despise sex pats and sex tourists, they have zero in common with them and only interact with these foreign sad sacks when absolutely necessary.

Maybe they just want to go for a beer and watch the show not be part of it?

[jacko45k]

20 hours ago, proton said:

Because most of them despise sex pats and sex tourists, they have zero in common with them and only interact with these foreign sad sacks when absolutely necessary.

That statement suggests you haven't really got an inkling about what is going on there. I tend to agree they have little in common, but their inability to interact is usually a language barrier. It's a bit annoying on the customer side too, having just spent 200 baht on a LD, to find she speaks no English, is as dumb as a rock and is really just eye candy. 

[Nemises]

In other words nothing has changed. But thanks anyway!

[Danderman123]

20 hours ago, JimTripper said:

That's common. The bar girls standing outside typically don't go inside with you. What happens is you stop for them then other staff take over once you step inside. Lots of guys think they are going inside for a drink with a girl they see outside because they kind of escort you do the enterance.

Coyotes.

[charleskerins]

19 hours ago, JackGats said:

In the 80's living and working in Germany for decades, never observed the same.

Chester  Pa in the Seventies /Early Eighties      7:30 an after shift at shipyard   shot and a beer   

[newnative]

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

The 2024 one.... a lady will peel off as you enter, if you are not quick to buy her a drink they are off to leave you alone. Plenty of reason not to buy a drink for them as they are overpriced and consumed quickly. 

 

Are they any better than the younger ones strutting around shirtless, for some strange reason big bushy beards being sported, and having upper torso mostly covered in tatts, it looks like someone has vomited pizza over them?

    Good description of what some of the awful tatts look like!  I always say the tatts--on both men and women--make them look like they have been in horrific motorcycle accidents but 'vomited pizza' might be even better.

[wombat]

20 hours ago, advancebooking said:

trans gender 

They are called ladyboys don't you be bringing your dirty western words to Thailand.

[newnative]

26 minutes ago, Nemises said:

In other words nothing has changed. But thanks anyway!

    If you're talking about the bar scene--maybe.  The rest of Pattaya has been changing tremendously, and still is, with new development going up all over the area.  From the description, the OP was mostly in a very small part of Pattaya.

[Bangkok Barry]

20 hours ago, freeworld said:

In the 80's travelling in Austria and Germany, observed people at 7 in the morning dressed in business suits drinking beer.

 

Normal there. And I've read there are plenty of customers in the City Of London area comprising of financiers on their way to the office as well as market traders ending their working 'day' (night).

[Bangkok Barry]

21 hours ago, advancebooking said:

There was so much plastic and rubbish on the sand at the beach. Last year I saw a tractor with the scrapper blade driving up and down the beach. Why do they not use this every morning during peak season. Hopeless local government.

 

I think the people to blame are those who leave their rubbish on the beach.

[Nemises]

17 minutes ago, newnative said:

Pattaya has been changing tremendously

Wow! Maybe the water quality has changed “tremendously” also…

[brianthainess]

21 hours ago, advancebooking said:

Bar girls standing at the front of the bar staring at people walking down the road- with their backs to these guys

They are could be regular customers, who like to sit alone in peace without girls pestering them for drinks, and the girls know that.   

[brianthainess]

21 hours ago, advancebooking said:

I noticed about 15 officers with DOPA jackets on surrounding a shop that had the BB guns.

BB Guns ??? Me Thinks not. 

[Denim]

21 hours ago, advancebooking said:

Thats about all I observed. 

 

Thank you Forrest. Most riveting.

 

 

[jayboy]

21 hours ago, advancebooking said:

I just visited Pats and rented a condo short term near beach road. Observations:

- Walking street was really busy and a lot of fun. Great vibes there. Worth spending a night out on W.S for sure

- Hot Tuna bar has a fantastic rock band. 

- I noticed about 15 officers with DOPA jackets on surrounding a shop that had the BB guns. I asked the officer what was going on. He said 'checking documents'. I thought that was quite odd for all of them to be there at 1030pm at night. 

- I tried to get my washing done at a small laundry in the condo building at 9am. She said pick it up tomorrow. Noticed she had a balcony with empty rack (no clothes drying or anything from other customers). It was a hot morning with breeze. I thought it was ridiculous to suggest that it couldn't be done same day. Ended up buying small washing powder and putting it in machine myself elsewhere. Hung it up and was dry in 2 to 3 hours on balcony at condo. 

- There was so much plastic and rubbish on the sand at the beach. Last year I saw a tractor with the scrapper blade driving up and down the beach. Why do they not use this every morning during peak season. Hopeless local government. 

- I saw a lot of overweight old men lying in the sun for long time. Red lobster bodies and faces. 

- Walked down soi 6 and noticed a lot of farang men sitting alone at tables. Bar girls standing at the front of the bar staring at people walking down the road- with their backs to these guys. Got to wonder what sort of business model this is. Why are they not socialising with the fine specimens in the bar?

- Walking along beach road at night I saw a lot of working girls from many nationalities. A few looked Indian ladies. A lot of large African ladies, lot of trans gender thais and normal thai girls. 

- During morning exercise along the beach noticed some old farang at the bar having beer for breakfast. 

 

Thats about all I observed. 

 

And people still say Pattaya has no class.

[Scouse123]

22 hours ago, advancebooking said:

I just visited Pats and rented a condo short term near beach road. Observations:

- Walking street was really busy and a lot of fun. Great vibes there. Worth spending a night out on W.S for sure

- Hot Tuna bar has a fantastic rock band. 

- I noticed about 15 officers with DOPA jackets on surrounding a shop that had the BB guns. I asked the officer what was going on. He said 'checking documents'. I thought that was quite odd for all of them to be there at 1030pm at night. 

- I tried to get my washing done at a small laundry in the condo building at 9am. She said pick it up tomorrow. Noticed she had a balcony with empty rack (no clothes drying or anything from other customers). It was a hot morning with breeze. I thought it was ridiculous to suggest that it couldn't be done same day. Ended up buying small washing powder and putting it in machine myself elsewhere. Hung it up and was dry in 2 to 3 hours on balcony at condo. 

- There was so much plastic and rubbish on the sand at the beach. Last year I saw a tractor with the scrapper blade driving up and down the beach. Why do they not use this every morning during peak season. Hopeless local government. 

- I saw a lot of overweight old men lying in the sun for long time. Red lobster bodies and faces. 

- Walked down soi 6 and noticed a lot of farang men sitting alone at tables. Bar girls standing at the front of the bar staring at people walking down the road- with their backs to these guys. Got to wonder what sort of business model this is. Why are they not socialising with the fine specimens in the bar?

- Walking along beach road at night I saw a lot of working girls from many nationalities. A few looked Indian ladies. A lot of large African ladies, lot of trans gender thais and normal thai girls. 

- During morning exercise along the beach noticed some old farang at the bar having beer for breakfast. 

 

Thats about all I observed. 

 

 

You lead an exciting life.

 

Have you ever felt like expanding into a career in journalism or as an influencer on social media?

 

Maybe, you could do the pros and cons of high-end resorts for Condé Nast?

 

It must have been a right bummer for you about the laundry.

[Scouse123]

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

I think the people to blame are those who leave their rubbish on the beach.

 

No kidding Sherlock!

[Scouse123]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Coyotes.

 

Hyenas or Jackals might be more appropriate.

[advancebooking]

5 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

No kidding Sherlock!

Its more appropriate to say 'no <deleted> sherlock'

[Scouse123]

19 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

 

Saw this earlier this year in Pattaya too; several old guys (15 to twenty years older than me) sitting alone every morning (after 8 or 9 a.m.) at the same beer bars, nursing one beer over an hour and longer, while staring at the empty Soi in front of them... But no, they weren't there since the night before, but arrived at the bar as soon as it opened to have a liquid 'breakfast'.

 

 

Maybe just lonely old guys, you could have gone and spoken with them and livened things up being 15–20 years younger than them.