Biden slams Trump for Capitol riot in 2024 campaign speech

candide · January 7

7 hours ago, impulse said:

I had never been to Pravda, up until Candide posted his link.

But I do peruse some right wing stuff that jumped all over the "I understand power" like ducks on a june bug. You'll have to look for them yourself, because those links usual get taken down by the mods, along with the rest of the post.

I know there were also right-wing sites with the same content. Inusually prefer to cite the original one rather than the followers.

BTW, it's quite instructing to observe that the (far) right wing sites and the Pravda have the same (or similar) content

Edited January 7 by candide

illisdean · January 7

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The choice is clear, Totalitarianism from Republicans wed to Christian fascists or Democracy.

For a rational and clear thinking mortal acting upon the forces of reality in conjunction with a functioning brain and comprehension it is without question who is the biggest threat o American democracy on record in the history of the Republic, that wold be the corrupt & acutely demented fraud currently occupying 1600 Penn ave, Joe Biden et al as in his handlers.

Court ruling Biden Guilty

Biden and his terrified dem band of idiots fear Trump so much they are willing to trash democracy in a feeble and failing attempt to keep Trump off the ballot and take away voters right to vote. Thats pure ~~democracy~~ especially in marxist banana republic hellholes and now in Biden's failed and corrupt admin. But please show how Trump and his policies were an attack on American democracy, show some solid evidence in support of that instead of regurgitating the senseless lies and gaslighting of Biden.

And then please indicate the reasoning behind why Trump ("the greatest threat to American democracy") is systematically destroying the demented fool (and democratic challenged simpleton) Biden in all the voter polls and current job approval ratings. Maybe the poll respondents are basing their preference on the facts and not what liar Biden tries to shove down their throats with his gaslighting and brainwashing of his sheep following.

Also on timing, it's peculiar and telling that Jan 6 committee issued criminal referrals long ago, claiming there was "evidence" "suggesting" Trump may have been involved in insurrection despite evidence to the contrary and FBI stating the same, BUT ONLY now these deep state blue anti-democracy marxists crawl out of the swamp and are making a desperate attempt to AGAIN subvert democracy due to their intense fear of Trump and his very likely reelection in 2024 by quashing voter rights and interfering in the 2024 elections. Thats the real and ongoing/current tactic and MO of Biden and his liberals who are the single and most significant threat to American democracy and not Trump. Anyone believing it's Trump is either just plain ignorant and stuid and/or a combination thereof including brainwashing.

Danderman123 · January 7

11 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Have those old nutcases all died off now or have they finally had their come to jesus moment? I haven't seen too many mea culpas expressed by qanon nutjobs.

QAnon seems to be losing steam due to a series of bad predictions.

candide · January 7

3 minutes ago, illisdean said:

For a rational and clear thinking mortal acting upon the forces of reality in conjunction with a functioning brain and comprehension it is without question who is the biggest threat o American democracy on record in the history of the Republic, that wold be the corrupt & acutely demented fraud currently occupying 1600 Penn ave, Joe Biden et al as in his handlers.

Court ruling Biden Guilty

Biden and his terrified dem band of idiots fear Trump so much they are willing to trash democracy in a feeble and failing attempt to keep Trump off the ballot and take away voters right to vote. Thats pure ~~democracy~~ especially in marxist banana republic hellholes and now in Biden's failed and corrupt admin. But please show how Trump and his policies were an attack on American democracy, show some solid evidence in support of that instead of regurgitating the senseless lies and gaslighting of Biden.

And then please indicate the reasoning behind why Trump ("the greatest threat to American democracy") is systematically destroying the demented fool (and democratic challenged simpleton) Biden in all the voter polls and current job approval ratings. Maybe the poll respondents are basing their preference on the facts and not what liar Biden tries to shove down their throats with his gaslighting and brainwashing of his sheep following.

Also on timing, it's peculiar and telling that Jan 6 committee issued criminal referrals long ago, claiming there was "evidence" "suggesting" Trump may have been involved in insurrection despite evidence to the contrary and FBI stating the same, BUT ONLY now these deep state blue anti-democracy marxists crawl out of the swamp and are making a desperate attempt to AGAIN subvert democracy due to their intense fear of Trump and his very likely reelection in 2024 by quashing voter rights and interfering in the 2024 elections. Thats the real and ongoing/current tactic and MO of Biden and his liberals who are the single and most significant threat to American democracy and not Trump. Anyone believing it's Trump is either just plain ignorant and stuid and/or a combination thereof including brainwashing.

For what? For trying to prevent the diffusion of misleading rumours about Covid,

It may not have been technically legal, but it has nothing to do with being a threat to democracy.

Sorry to deceive you but, unlike Trump and his sycophants, Biden never tried to steal elections, and never threatened judges, prosecutors, witnesses, civil servants, etc...

Chomper Higgot · January 7

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

QAnon seems to be losing steam due to a series of bad predictions.

Either that or all the winning has worn them out.

illisdean · January 7

52 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Lame attempt to pin someone else’s tax issues on President Biden.

Do you do rational argument?

Biden, "corrupt", tax fraud, crack head junkies sex trafficking, lying on firearm docs, and the Biden family receiving 10's of millions from foreign gov's, its all about Biden's corruption and in the case of Joe's shower mate, ashley, another example of special treatment for the corrupt Bidens. Even Joe, the hypocrite claimed "everyone needs to pay their fair share of taxes...", except the Bidens. Well now, the impeachment inquiry WILL focus of tax fraud, money laundering, corruption of Biden and the Biden family. You see, where this is curruption, tax fraud, money laundering, FARA, etc you see the name BIDEN. Get the point yet. Or would like to continuing your embarrassing obfuscation with more nonsense? LOl....up to you.

Edited January 7 by illisdean

Chomper Higgot · January 7

11 minutes ago, illisdean said:

For a rational and clear thinking mortal acting upon the forces of reality in conjunction with a functioning brain and comprehension it is without question who is the biggest threat o American democracy on record in the history of the Republic, that wold be the corrupt & acutely demented fraud currently occupying 1600 Penn ave, Joe Biden et al as in his handlers.

Court ruling Biden Guilty

Biden and his terrified dem band of idiots fear Trump so much they are willing to trash democracy in a feeble and failing attempt to keep Trump off the ballot and take away voters right to vote. Thats pure ~~democracy~~ especially in marxist banana republic hellholes and now in Biden's failed and corrupt admin. But please show how Trump and his policies were an attack on American democracy, show some solid evidence in support of that instead of regurgitating the senseless lies and gaslighting of Biden.

And then please indicate the reasoning behind why Trump ("the greatest threat to American democracy") is systematically destroying the demented fool (and democratic challenged simpleton) Biden in all the voter polls and current job approval ratings. Maybe the poll respondents are basing their preference on the facts and not what liar Biden tries to shove down their throats with his gaslighting and brainwashing of his sheep following.

Also on timing, it's peculiar and telling that Jan 6 committee issued criminal referrals long ago, claiming there was "evidence" "suggesting" Trump may have been involved in insurrection despite evidence to the contrary and FBI stating the same, BUT ONLY now these deep state blue anti-democracy marxists crawl out of the swamp and are making a desperate attempt to AGAIN subvert democracy due to their intense fear of Trump and his very likely reelection in 2024 by quashing voter rights and interfering in the 2024 elections. Thats the real and ongoing/current tactic and MO of Biden and his liberals who are the single and most significant threat to American democracy and not Trump. Anyone believing it's Trump is either just plain ignorant and stuid and/or a combination thereof including brainwashing.

Trump has stated he will be a ‘dictator on day one’.

ozimoron · January 7

1 minute ago, illisdean said:

Biden, "corrupt", tax fraud, crack head junkies sex trafficking, lying on firearm docs, and the Biden family receiving 10's of millions from foreign gov's, its all about Biden's corruption and in the case of Joe's shower mate, ashley, another example of special treatment for the corrupt Bidens. Even Joe, the hypocrite claimed "everyone needs to pay their fair share of taxes...", except the Bidens. Well now, the impeachment inquiry WILL focus of tax fraud, money laundering, corruption of Biden and the Biden family. You see, where this is curruption, tax fraud, money laundering, FARA, etc you see the name BIDEN. Get the point yet. Or would like to continuing your embarrassing obfuscation with more nonsense? LOl....up to you.

Not a single person has ever made a criminal complaint against Biden nor has he been civilly sued by any entity.

Chomper Higgot · January 7

2 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Biden, "corrupt", tax fraud, crack head junkies sex trafficking, lying on firearm docs, and the Biden family receiving 10's of millions from foreign gov's, its all about Biden's corruption and in the case of Joe's shower mate, ashley, another example of special treatment for the corrupt Bidens. Even Joe, the hypocrite claimed "everyone needs to pay their fair share of taxes...", except the Bidens. Well now, the impeachment inquiry WILL focus of tax fraud, money laundering, corruption of Biden and the Biden family. You see, where this is curruption, tax fraud, money laundering, FARA, etc you see the name BIDEN. Get the point yet. Or would like to continuing your embarrassing obfuscation with more nonsense? LOl....up to you.

You’ve gone all irrational and manic again.

Danderman123 · January 7

1 minute ago, illisdean said:

Biden, "corrupt", tax fraud, crack head junkies sex trafficking, lying on firearm docs, and the Biden family receiving 10's of millions from foreign gov's, its all about Biden's corruption and in the case of Joe's shower mate, ashley, another example of special treatment for the corrupt Bidens. Even Joe, the hypocrite claimed "everyone needs to pay their fair share of taxes...", except the Bidens. Well now, the impeachment inquiry WILL focus of tax fraud, money laundering, corruption of Biden and the Biden family. You see, where this is curruption, tax fraud, money laundering, FARA, etc you see the name BIDEN. Get the point yet. Or would like to continuing your embarrassing obfuscation with more nonsense? LOl....up to you.

There is no Joe Biden corruption, it's just a delusion in your head.

On the other hand, your man Trump took in millions from China while US president. Don't you know about that?

illisdean · January 7

Just now, ozimoron said:

Not a single person has ever made a criminal complaint against Biden nor has he been civilly sued by any entity.

Thats a laugh, wonder why, maybe because his corrupt and weaponized DOJ, FBI and other 3 letter agencies are covering up and lying for him like they did in the treasonous attempt to take out Trump with the hoax RussiaGate. Only congress/ oversight are investigating Biden, and now a majority of Americans believe Biden was involved in the crack heads shady business. Open your eyes, wake up to see the big picture you obviously are oblivious to. Biden's days and is influence peddling corruption days are soon to be exposed and Biden will be carted/wheeled away to an appropriate long term care facility for imbeciles when the impeachment inquiry completes its investigation and presents the findings. I see Biden has not been sued but in humiliating fashion he dropped out of the presidential election for plagiarism. Thats got be a great addition to his civil lawsuit free legacy. LOL.

riclag · January 7

2 hours ago, proton said:

Illegall immigration is massively up

So is Communism,Marxism!

One only needs to look at the party of biden to realize it use to be the party of JFK, until the Cultural Marxist took it over with their Open Borders agenda,DEI nonsense, government censorship of online platforms, such as Twitter,Election Interference scheming of using lawfare to silence and interfere with leading political opposition !

Imop

riclag · January 7

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump has stated he will be a ‘dictator on day one’.

For one day, Day one , take the starch out of bidens policy ,through the use of the Executive pen.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DPRpfNJMpHcc&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwi3v_WZ8MqDAxWUSGwGHemKC8kQwqsBegQIEBAG&usg=AOvVaw092m1WLzrQ5K28Z_eM6NV5

illisdean · January 7

29 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

On the other hand, your man Trump took in millions from China while US president. Don't you know about that?

Yeah he did, but more specifically (Trumps "business's), starting in 2008 with the Chinese for a total of $7.8M for renting hotel rooms in his various hotels and properties all the while Biden's family amsased 10's of millions in payments from foreign companies and other entities asscoiated with the CCP, lied about it, continued to lie about it and cannot explain what these foreign payments bought from the corrupt Bidens? They never sold hotel rooms, provides services as Trump companies did and cannot even provide a reason why these payments were made to Bidens family and even filtered back to benefit Joe as well. Do you see a problem for why and how Biden's family were paid so much money from China and other countries and never reported the income or paid taxes on it? Trump reported all his income from foreign sources and donated profits to the US treasury.

BANG...you got NOTHING....AGAIN.

If you want to go down the emoluments "wabbit" hole, have a look here at your favorite smiling mug.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/21/judge-dismisses-suits-emoluments-312610

Edited January 7 by illisdean

stevenl · January 7

8 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Yeah he did, but more specifically (Trumps "business's), starting in 2008 with the Chinese for a total of $7.8M for renting hotel rooms in his various hotels and properties all the while Biden's family amsased 10's of millions in payments from foreign companies and other entities asscoiated with the CCP, lied about it, continued to lie about it and cannot explain what these foreign payments bought from the corrupt Bidens? They never sold hotel rooms, provides services as Trump companies did and cannot even provide a reason why these payments were made to Bidens family and even filtered back to benefit Joe as well. Do you see a problem for why and how Biden's family were paid so much money from China and other countries and never reported the income or paid taxes on it? Trump reported all his income from foreign sources and donated profits to the US treasury.

BANG...you got NOTHING....AGAIN.

If you want to go down the emoluments "wabbit" hole, have a look here at your favorite smiling mug.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/21/judge-dismisses-suits-emoluments-312610

Do you understand the ruling, the reason behind it?

Danderman123 · January 7

8 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Yeah he did, but more specifically (Trumps "business's), starting in 2008 with the Chinese for a total of $7.8M for renting hotel rooms in his various hotels and properties all the while Biden's family amsased 10's of millions in payments from foreign companies and other entities asscoiated with the CCP, lied about it, continued to lie about it and cannot explain what these foreign payments bought from the corrupt Bidens? They never sold hotel rooms, provides services as Trump companies did and cannot even provide a reason why these payments were made to Bidens family and even filtered back to benefit Joe as well. Do you see a problem for why and how Biden's family were paid so much money from China and other countries and never reported the income or paid taxes on it? Trump reported all his income from foreign sources and donated profits to the US treasury.

BANG...you got NOTHING....AGAIN.

If you want to go down the emoluments "wabbit" hole, have a look here at your favorite smiling mug.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/21/judge-dismisses-suits-emoluments-312610

You've got a link showing Joe Biden took a dime from the Chinese?

Danderman123 · January 7

10 minutes ago, riclag said:

For one day, Day one , take the starch out of bidens policy ,through the use of the Executive pen.

Ever heard of a dictator who gave up power voluntarily?

candide · January 7

41 minutes ago, impulse said:

A) That's old history

B) I didn't live in the USA at the time, so I didn't follow it to form my own opinion

C) I'd have to look at the data behind the survey. Gotta link?

No reply, of course.....

Same link already posted before! My mistake, it was 46%

https://dcist.com/story/16/12/28/poll/

Another interesting point in this poll, is that more than twice Republicans than Democrats think the 2016 elections have been rigged! The reason being that Trump was furious that he lost the popular vote and claimed millions of illegal votes had been casted! 😅

impulse · January 7

5 minutes ago, candide said:

Another interesting point in this poll, is that more than twice Republicans than Democrats think the 2016 elections have been rigged! The reason being that Trump was furious that he lost the popular vote and claimed millions of illegal votes had been casted!

Here's a tidbit. I'm open to the possibility that both parties cheated like crazy in 2020. And Trump's pissed because he didn't get his money's worth. But nobody's ever going to convince me it was a clean election. Too much evidence that it wasn't. Maybe not enough to change the results, but it wasn't clean.

stevenl · January 7

13 minutes ago, impulse said:

Here's a tidbit. I'm open to the possibility that both parties cheated like crazy in 2020. And Trump's pissed because he didn't get his money's worth. But nobody's ever going to convince me it was a clean election. Too much evidence that it wasn't. Maybe not enough to change the results, but it wasn't clean.

"Too much evedince"? The courts, Many Trump appointees, didn't see any. But you did, please show.

Edited January 7 by stevenl

candide · January 7

23 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Yeah he did, but more specifically (Trumps "business's), starting in 2008 with the Chinese for a total of $7.8M for renting hotel rooms in his various hotels and properties all the while Biden's family amsased 10's of millions in payments from foreign companies and other entities asscoiated with the CCP, lied about it, continued to lie about it and cannot explain what these foreign payments bought from the corrupt Bidens? They never sold hotel rooms, provides services as Trump companies did and cannot even provide a reason why these payments were made to Bidens family and even filtered back to benefit Joe as well. Do you see a problem for why and how Biden's family were paid so much money from China and other countries and never reported the income or paid taxes on it? Trump reported all his income from foreign sources and donated profits to the US treasury.

BANG...you got NOTHING....AGAIN.

If you want to go down the emoluments "wabbit" hole, have a look here at your favorite smiling mug.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/21/judge-dismisses-suits-emoluments-312610

So when Hunter, a private citizen, got $1 Million from a private Chinese energy company, he got moneyfrom enemies of the nation (a popular MAGA talking point). But when Trump (while was President and in charge of foreign policy) got $5.4 Million from a bank controlled by the CCP, It's not from enemies of the nation! 🤣

Forbes Estimates China Paid Trump At Least $5.4 Million Since He Took Office, Via Mysterious Trump Tower Lease

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/10/23/forbes-estimates-china-paid-trump-at-least-54-million-since-he-took-office-via-mysterious-trump-tower-lease/?sh=e8f0820ed11e

Danderman123 · January 7

14 minutes ago, impulse said:

Here's a tidbit. I'm open to the possibility that both parties cheated like crazy in 2020. And Trump's pissed because he didn't get his money's worth. But nobody's ever going to convince me it was a clean election. Too much evidence that it wasn't. Maybe not enough to change the results, but it wasn't clean.

There is no valid evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 election.

You have supplied a link to a really stupid report that was filled with lies and half truths.

The real point is that you don't understand how ballots are counted. This is not intended as an insult, because most people don't understand the process. If you did understand, then you woukd know that Trump is lying about election fraud.

Chomper Higgot · January 7

1 hour ago, riclag said:

For one day, Day one , take the starch out of bidens policy ,through the use of the Executive pen.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DPRpfNJMpHcc&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwi3v_WZ8MqDAxWUSGwGHemKC8kQwqsBegQIEBAG&usg=AOvVaw092m1WLzrQ5K28Z_eM6NV5

And of course like all dictators he’ll stop there.

Chomper Higgot · January 7

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Here's a tidbit. I'm open to the possibility that both parties cheated like crazy in 2020. And Trump's pissed because he didn't get his money's worth. But nobody's ever going to convince me it was a clean election. Too much evidence that it wasn't. Maybe not enough to change the results, but it wasn't clean.

Except both parties didn’t

Edited January 7 by Chomper Higgot

impulse · January 7

39 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Except both parties didn’t

Dems did. In Wisconsin. Here's the Wisconsin Supreme Court case that says they did.

https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=542617

Wisconsin Election Commissioner Meagan Wolfe unilaterally declared ballot drop boxes could be used to vote in 2020 elections, even though “WEC’s commissioners never voted to adopt this memo.”

Ahead of the November 2020 Election, Wolfe encouraged clerks to use “creative solutions” to deploy drop boxes, that she said could be "unstaffed.” There were 528 drop boxes used in the General Election, and a total of 1,969,274 absentee votes cast, including 1,346,731 votes cast by mail, and 653,236 in-person.

In a concurring opinion to the ruling finding drop boxes to be unlawful, Justice Rebecca Bradley writes, “If the right to vote is to have any meaning at all, elections must be conducted according to law. Throughout history, tyrants have claimed electoral victory via elections conducted in violation of governing law… in Wisconsin elected officials “deriv[e] their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

Of course, by the time the WSC decision came down in July, 2022, it was too late.

So you can't say "no evidence". That's what you call evidence.

Here's 32 more pages of similar, nicely compiled, on 5 swing states. With 99 footnotes. If you don't believe the guy who compiled these, follow the footnotes. (Wisconsin case above is on P12).

https://cdn.nucleusfiles.com/e0/e04e630c-63ff-4bdb-9652-e0be3598b5d4/summary20of20election20fraud20in20the20swing20states.pdf

And I challenge Danderman123 to show me which of these allegations is a lie or a half truth... But cite a specific case and the footnote. Or I won't bother responding.

candide · January 7

56 minutes ago, impulse said:

Dems did. In Wisconsin. Here's the Wisconsin Supreme Court case that says they did.

https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=542617

Wisconsin Election Commissioner Meagan Wolfe unilaterally declared ballot drop boxes could be used to vote in 2020 elections, even though “WEC’s commissioners never voted to adopt this memo.”

Ahead of the November 2020 Election, Wolfe encouraged clerks to use “creative solutions” to deploy drop boxes, that she said could be "unstaffed.” There were 528 drop boxes used in the General Election, and a total of 1,969,274 absentee votes cast, including 1,346,731 votes cast by mail, and 653,236 in-person.

In a concurring opinion to the ruling finding drop boxes to be unlawful, Justice Rebecca Bradley writes, “If the right to vote is to have any meaning at all, elections must be conducted according to law. Throughout history, tyrants have claimed electoral victory via elections conducted in violation of governing law… in Wisconsin elected officials “deriv[e] their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

Of course, by the time the WSC decision came down in July, 2022, it was too late.

So you can't say "no evidence". That's what you call evidence.

Here's 32 more pages of similar, nicely compiled, on 5 swing states. With 99 footnotes. If you don't believe the guy who compiled these, follow the footnotes. (Wisconsin case above is on P12).

https://cdn.nucleusfiles.com/e0/e04e630c-63ff-4bdb-9652-e0be3598b5d4/summary20of20election20fraud20in20the20swing20states.pdf

And I challenge Danderman123 to show me which of these allegations is a lie or a half truth... But cite a specific case and the footnote. Or I won't bother responding.

In the Wisconsin case, there is no proof of election rigging, just that a method used at the time of Covid has been ultimately assessed as not following the law. Wake us up when fraud indictment will be announced.

As to your request to Danderman, you are asking him to prove a negative. It's not how it works! It's your duty to prove the allegations are true, not the opposite. None of this so-called evidence has been submitted, accepted, or proven accurate in courts, or confirmed by the multiple audits and recounts.

Edit. The author did not even dare to sign the document!

Edited January 7 by candide

candide · January 7

More details uncovered....

After unsuccessfully trying for up to 20 minutes to persuade Trump to release some sort of calming statement, Scavino and others walked out of the dining room, leaving Trump alone, sources said. That's when, according to sources, Trump posted a message on his Twitter account saying that Pence "didn't have the courage to do what should have been done."

Special counsel probe uncovers new details about Trump's inaction on Jan. 6: Sources

https://www.yahoo.com/news/special-counsel-probe-uncovers-details-130200050.html

thaibeachlovers · January 7

13 hours ago, sirineou said:

Either reading comprehension issues or a strawman propaganda device.

"trump has done more to degrade such institutions than anyone and anything "

and you are, IMO, wrong on that, and you have not included anything to prove your claim.

thaibeachlovers · January 7

12 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump has claimed that the January 6 rioters were Antifa and the FBI.

And, Trump has claimed that the January 6 rioters are patriots and he will pardon them.

Can someone please reconcile these 2 positions?

You need to prove those claims or IMO you are making stuff up again.

thaibeachlovers · January 7

12 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

There is no Joe Biden corruption, it's just a delusion in your head.

On the other hand, your man Trump took in millions from China while US president. Don't you know about that?

Link required on that claim. See forum rules at the start of World News.

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