Judges skeptical of Trump’s presidential immunity arguments in election interference case

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

For the record, Trump argued at his impeachment trial that if he weren't impeached, he could be criminally prosecuted.

 

Game, set, match.

 

nix. Trump's opinions don't matter to the court

[Tug]

6 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

nix. Trump's opinions don't matter to the court

His latest and greatest is there will be mayhem if he is convicted he actually said that today to heck with intimidation of witnesses when you can try to intimidate the entire judiciary!!

[Danderman123]

Trump showed up at the hearing, and witnesses say that he looked scared.

 

He should be scared - the judges destroyed his claims of immunity in such a way that no judge will ever support them. Yeah, it was that bad.

Edited January 10 by Danderman123

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

nix. Trump's opinions don't matter to the court

Legal opinions delivered in other venues do matter, and this was brought up at the hearing. Another nail in the legal coffin of Absolute Presidential Immunity.

 

[Danderman123]

18 hours ago, impulse said:

Biden better start sweating bullets if he's not immune to prosecution for all his illegal acts while president. The border comes to mind, as well as student loan forgiveness.  Obama, too.  Not to mention W.

 

In fact, any president will have to worry about going to jail if they decide to take out a foreign terrorist, test the limits of any Supreme Court decision, or any one of 1000's of decisions that make while in office.

 

Be careful what you wish for...

 

When President Ulysses S. Grant Was Arrested for Speeding in a Horse-Drawn Carriage

 

I don't have to wish for anything - President's don't have immunity for crimes committed in office. President US Grant was arrested while in office.

[impulse]

On 1/10/2024 at 2:19 PM, Danderman123 said:

Please cite any legal statutes that Biden nay have broken.

 

Dems left and right lefter seem to be saying his decision to bomb the Houthis is illegal.  In the interest of fair play, ya figure they'll be impeaching him?

 

I wonder if he'll be getting immunity after he leaves office?  Probably doesn't matter, because Trump's prosecution isn't about illegal acts.  It's about politics and election interference.  They won't be going after Biden the same way.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/01/11/this-is-illegal-biden-takes-heat-from-fellow-dems-after-greenlighting-houthi-strike/

 

 

Edited January 12 by impulse

[candide]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

Dems left and right lefter seem to be saying his decision to bomb the Houthis is illegal.  In the interest of fair play, ya figure they'll be impeaching him?

 

I wonder if he'll be getting immunity after he leaves office?  Probably doesn't matter, because Trump's prosecution isn't about illegal acts.  It's about politics and election interference.  They won't be going after Biden the same way.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/01/11/this-is-illegal-biden-takes-heat-from-fellow-dems-after-greenlighting-houthi-strike/

 

 

They won't be going after Biden the same way because (I anticipate) he won't try to overturn legitimate elections.

 

As to your false equivalence, a President is only protected when it falls under his presidential duties (for example a policy decision)

 

Please explain us how how asking to "find 11,000 votes", plotting a fake electors scheme, and watching the assault of the Capitol on TV while doing nothing against it, fall under his presidential duties.

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Dems left and right lefter seem to be saying his decision to bomb the Houthis is illegal.  In the interest of fair play, ya figure they'll be impeaching him?

 

I wonder if he'll be getting immunity after he leaves office?  Probably doesn't matter, because Trump's prosecution isn't about illegal acts.  It's about politics and election interference.  They won't be going after Biden the same way.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/01/11/this-is-illegal-biden-takes-heat-from-fellow-dems-after-greenlighting-houthi-strike/

 

 

Donald Trump committed many crimes, and when he is tried, he will be convicted of multiple charges.

 

A year from now, you will be posting to complain about which prison Trump is sent to.

[Danderman123]

Here's a question for the Trump fluffers:

 

When Trump contested the results of the 2020 election, were those official acts of the President?

[Walker88]

On 1/10/2024 at 4:29 AM, impulse said:

Biden better start sweating bullets if he's not immune to prosecution for all his illegal acts while president. The border comes to mind, as well as student loan forgiveness.  Obama, too.  Not to mention W.

 

In fact, any president will have to worry about going to jail if they decide to take out a foreign terrorist, test the limits of any Supreme Court decision, or any one of 1000's of decisions that make while in office.

 

Be careful what you wish for...

 

555

 

Please provide proof of all the illegalities of Biden and Obama.

 

As for trump, pointing out his illegalities is only limited by time itself, as his crimes come so fast and furious. Insurrection, fake electors, browbeating State officials to commit election fraud, theft of highly classied documents, sexual assault, business fraud, bank fraud, insurance fraud, charity fraud....

 

What trump should worry about is if Presidential immunity actually comes to pass. That would allow Biden to have trump assassinated, and then resign.

 

Come to think of it, sounds pretty good.

[impulse]

2 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Please provide proof of all the illegalities of Biden

 

I'll let the Dems do that...

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/01/11/this-is-illegal-biden-takes-heat-from-fellow-dems-after-greenlighting-houthi-strike/

 

“@POTUS can’t launch airstrikes in Yemen without congressional approval,” Democratic Rep. Cori Bush of Missouri posted on X, formerly known as Twitter. “This is illegal and violates Article I of the Constitution. The people do not want more of our taxpayer dollars going to endless war and the killing of civilians. Stop the bombing and do better by us.”

 

[Walker88]

27 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I'll let the Dems do that...

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/01/11/this-is-illegal-biden-takes-heat-from-fellow-dems-after-greenlighting-houthi-strike/

 

“@POTUS can’t launch airstrikes in Yemen without congressional approval,” Democratic Rep. Cori Bush of Missouri posted on X, formerly known as Twitter. “This is illegal and violates Article I of the Constitution. The people do not want more of our taxpayer dollars going to endless war and the killing of civilians. Stop the bombing and do better by us.”

 

Really? I guess Cori Bush is a Constitutional Scholar.

 

Please don't tell her that trump did the same thing in Syria. Oh, and trump ordered those strikes while having dinner with some foreign officials at his country club. He even announced to the table that "Excuse me, but I have to go order some air strikes against Syria".

 

I'm always amused when trumpers demonstrate the degree in Whataboutism they earned from the now-defunk trump university.  It's quite a stretch trying to go after Biden for taking steps to protect US military personnel and international shipping, albeit ignoring or excusing trump's attempt to overthrow 250 years of US democracy, theft of highly classified documents, etc.

Edited January 12 by Walker88

[Walker88]

48 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Here's a question for the Trump fluffers:

 

When Trump contested the results of the 2020 election, were those official acts of the President?

 

Don't you know? trump's crack legal staff is trying to argue, at least in his Georgia case, that trump is innocent because "he didn't know it was illegal to try to overthrow an election".

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Really? I guess Cori Bush is a Constitutional Scholar.

 

Please don't tell her that trump did the same thing in Syria. Oh, and trump ordered those strikes while having dinner with some foreign officials at his country club. He even announced to the table that "Excuse me, but I have to go order some air strikes against Syria".

 

I'm always amused when trumpers demonstrate the degree in Whataboutism they earned from the now-defunk trump university.  It's quite a stretch trying to go after Biden for taking steps to protect US military personnel and international shipping, albeit ignoring or excusing trump's attempt to overthrow 250 years of US democracy, theft of highly classified documents, etc.

I see the difference being that these airstrikes were ordered in their capacity as president. Same goes for Trump 's airstrikes.

Trump's election acts were not.

[placeholder]

45 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I'll let the Dems do that...

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/01/11/this-is-illegal-biden-takes-heat-from-fellow-dems-after-greenlighting-houthi-strike/

 

“@POTUS can’t launch airstrikes in Yemen without congressional approval,” Democratic Rep. Cori Bush of Missouri posted on X, formerly known as Twitter. “This is illegal and violates Article I of the Constitution. The people do not want more of our taxpayer dollars going to endless war and the killing of civilians. Stop the bombing and do better by us.”

 

It may well violate the constitution. And Congress could move to impeach him and remove him from office. But that doesn't make it a crime. Please name the statute that Biden has violated by authorizing the bombing and the criminal penalties it stipulates.

[Walker88]

8 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Dems left and right lefter seem to be saying his decision to bomb the Houthis is illegal.  In the interest of fair play, ya figure they'll be impeaching him?

 

I wonder if he'll be getting immunity after he leaves office?  Probably doesn't matter, because Trump's prosecution isn't about illegal acts.  It's about politics and election interference.  They won't be going after Biden the same way.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/01/11/this-is-illegal-biden-takes-heat-from-fellow-dems-after-greenlighting-houthi-strike/

 

 

I suppose trumpers who agree with their messiah that military personnel, especially those who died, are 'suckers and losers', they expect that---if military targets come under attack---they first have to send a FLASH cable back to the Joint Chiefs, who then call up the President, who then has to call Sen Majority Leader and House Leader to wake up their fellows and get to the Capitol, then take a vote---probably after debate that would run largely along partisan lines---then tell POTUS, who tells the Joint Chiefs, who then cables back to those under attack, and let them know if they can, or cannot, fight back.

 

Of course something that Cori Bush et al might have forgotten, is that under her namesake Dubya, the Bills related to the War on Terror, give POTUS authority to call such strikes. Thus, Biden won't need the immunity.

 

Oh, and yesterday, when questioned, trump agreed with his 'crack' legal team that a President is totally immune and, if he wants, can assassinate critics or political opponents and suffer zero consequences.

[Walker88]

9 hours ago, impulse said:

 

I'll let the Dems do that...

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/01/11/this-is-illegal-biden-takes-heat-from-fellow-dems-after-greenlighting-houthi-strike/

 

“@POTUS can’t launch airstrikes in Yemen without congressional approval,” Democratic Rep. Cori Bush of Missouri posted on X, formerly known as Twitter. “This is illegal and violates Article I of the Constitution. The people do not want more of our taxpayer dollars going to endless war and the killing of civilians. Stop the bombing and do better by us.”

 

If you need specifics to squelch your attempt at Whataboutism, read the War Powers Act.

 

That congressionally-passed Act allows the President to engage in military action when US personnel of US interests are threatened. The President has such power for 60 days from the first action. He merely needs to inform Congressional leadership of his actions, which President Biden has done. He also must continue to inform leadership of the ongoing actions, which Biden has done.

 

So you, and your strange bedfellow Cori Bush can relax.

 

Meanwhile, trump is still guilty.

Edited January 12 by Walker88

[Tug]

It still galls me that anyone calling themselves a republican could support this New York City trust fund baby,he should have been run off as soon as he insulted a pow.A carrier qualified pilot no less who’s dad was in charge of the Cactus Air Force on guadicannal during ww2 who led a carrier task force during the war and died 2 weeks after the war from over work!!they wrap themselves in the flag and Call themselves patriotic !good god it literally boggles my mind.and yes trump is still guilty lock that bunko artist up!!

[Danderman123]

On 1/10/2024 at 1:29 AM, impulse said:

Biden better start sweating bullets if he's not immune to prosecution for all his illegal acts while president. The border comes to mind, as well as student loan forgiveness.  Obama, too.  Not to mention W.

 

In fact, any president will have to worry about going to jail if they decide to take out a foreign terrorist, test the limits of any Supreme Court decision, or any one of 1000's of decisions that make while in office.

 

Be careful what you wish for...

 

Trump's lawyers argued that the president has absolute immunity for all crimes, even assassinating political rivals.

 

Do you agree?

Edited February 2 by Danderman123

[Danderman123]

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-loses-presidential-immunity-appeal/

 

No immunity for Trump.

[Tug]

Yup it’s a great day for America and the rule of law the appeals court flushed Donnie’s premise that he is above the law of course he will try to delay by appealing to the Supreme Court and it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they dodge the bullet and let the decision stand!!let the trial begin for CITIZEN trumps sedition and coup attempt!!!

[ozimoron]

SAD