U.S. lists Houthis as terrorists, rebels hit another US-operated ship

[impulse]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

Could you point out to where, exactly, the houthis are discussed?

 

Houthis weren't on the radar like Hamas back then.  They are now.  And they know that the only way to hurt the USA isn't on the battlefield.  What choices does that leave them?  Ya figure that big, open border may give them...ideas?

 

[Morch]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Houthis weren't on the radar like Hamas back then.  They are now.  And they know that the only way to hurt the USA isn't on the battlefield.  What choices does that leave them?  Ya figure that big, open border may give them...ideas?

 

 

The Houthis have been around for a while now, and were hostile to the USA before this started.

 

As pointed out, them 9/11 perpetrators came in legally, and the Hamas 7/10 attack breached a proper border and its defenses.

 

 

[stats]

A series of off-topic and diversion posts have been removed.

 

Please stay ON-TOPIC in the discussion here, which is -- U.S. lists Houthis as terrorists, rebels hit another US-operated ship.

[billd766]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Now that America has made itself an enemy of the Houthis, they can expect attacks on American ships as well.

So much for not expanding the war in Gaza.

 

Had they stuck to shooting down the missiles it would have IMO been seen as business as usual, but to attack land based facilities has made them official enemies, and that goes for Britain as well.

 

IMO stupidity writ large.

Not really. That assumes that every Houthi missile of whatever sort will get shot down every time. Reasonable if the Houthis only send them over 5 or 10 at a time. If they sent 50 or 100 at a time several are bound to get through and either sink or disable a ship or two.

 

It is quite possible to target one ship, even if it is a naval ship and overwhelm the defences.

 

Then both the Houthis and the Iranians will face a big time retaliation.

 

The Houthis will almost certainly be wiped out or at least severely damaged enough to keep them out of it for a while.

 

Iran will be a much harder nut to crack, especially in the Arab Gulf. I believe that the USA has 2 carrier groups in the Gulf and the only way out is via the Strait of Hormuz, which is quite shallow and narrow, and the main deep water channel is not that wide. 

 

The Strait of Hormuz is 56 km wide and roughly 90 m deep but for a trough near and around the Musandam Peninsula. Not a large area and not very deep, if you have to launch aircraft from a carrier there.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/27/2024 at 8:37 PM, impulse said:

 

Houthis weren't on the radar like Hamas back then.  They are now.  And they know that the only way to hurt the USA isn't on the battlefield.  What choices does that leave them?  Ya figure that big, open border may give them...ideas?

 

Looks like the US is going to suffer a war of a thousand cuts. Small isolated attacks on US forces and assets all over the world that are impossible to prevent.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/28/2024 at 1:16 AM, billd766 said:

Not really. That assumes that every Houthi missile of whatever sort will get shot down every time. Reasonable if the Houthis only send them over 5 or 10 at a time. If they sent 50 or 100 at a time several are bound to get through and either sink or disable a ship or two.

 

It is quite possible to target one ship, even if it is a naval ship and overwhelm the defences.

 

Then both the Houthis and the Iranians will face a big time retaliation.

 

The Houthis will almost certainly be wiped out or at least severely damaged enough to keep them out of it for a while.

 

Iran will be a much harder nut to crack, especially in the Arab Gulf. I believe that the USA has 2 carrier groups in the Gulf and the only way out is via the Strait of Hormuz, which is quite shallow and narrow, and the main deep water channel is not that wide. 

 

The Strait of Hormuz is 56 km wide and roughly 90 m deep but for a trough near and around the Musandam Peninsula. Not a large area and not very deep, if you have to launch aircraft from a carrier there.

Correct as far as it goes, but I doubt the US people will accept another land war against another large and well armed Middle East country. Especially so soon after the last disaster.

As for carriers, fine if the enemy doesn't have hypersonic missiles or plenty of sub sonic ones. You said quite rightly "If they sent 50 or 100 at a time several are bound to get through and either sink or disable a ship or two".

 

None of the trouble with the Houthis would have eventuated had Biden forced israel to ceasefire. Ergo this is a situation of Biden's making.

[Trippy]

On 1/27/2024 at 10:36 AM, ozimoron said:

 

Gen Z are acutely aware of the massive shift in wealth from the middle class to the rich over the past generation. They are understandably reluctant to fight for billionaire interests.

I hope they re-introduce the draft. It would be a real learning experience for them.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Correct as far as it goes, but I doubt the US people will accept another land war against another large and well armed Middle East country. Especially so soon after the last disaster.

As for carriers, fine if the enemy doesn't have hypersonic missiles or plenty of sub sonic ones. You said quite rightly "If they sent 50 or 100 at a time several are bound to get through and either sink or disable a ship or two".

 

None of the trouble with the Houthis would have eventuated had Biden forced israel to ceasefire. Ergo this is a situation of Biden's making.

 

@thaibeachlovers

 

There is no such war against Iran on the horizon, other than in your posts.

 

As for the rest:

 

Appease Terrorist And Pirates, Advises Poster.

[Georgealbert]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Correct as far as it goes, but I doubt the US people will accept another land war against another large and well armed Middle East country. Especially so soon after the last disaster.

As for carriers, fine if the enemy doesn't have hypersonic missiles or plenty of sub sonic ones. You said quite rightly "If they sent 50 or 100 at a time several are bound to get through and either sink or disable a ship or two".

 

None of the trouble with the Houthis would have eventuated had Biden forced israel to ceasefire. Ergo this is a situation of Biden's making.

More support for favourite terrorists.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Looks like the US is going to suffer a war of a thousand cuts. Small isolated attacks on US forces and assets all over the world that are impossible to prevent.

One way to counter that is to put every US and UK on to maximum security 24/7/365. Yje problem with that is that they will need a huge increase in manpower to cover it. If the Houthis and their allies are quiet and patient the threat level will slowly lesson and that is the time that they will strike

 

Most airfields for example have a perimeter fence between 10 and 15 km long and some are even longer and if you only put 1 guard every 100 metres you will need 600 guards every 24 hours, 3 by 8 hour shifts, with 1 shift given 24 hours off every 3 days. That is for a 10 km fence only.

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Correct as far as it goes, but I doubt the US people will accept another land war against another large and well armed Middle East country. Especially so soon after the last disaster.

As for carriers, fine if the enemy doesn't have hypersonic missiles or plenty of sub sonic ones. You said quite rightly "If they sent 50 or 100 at a time several are bound to get through and either sink or disable a ship or two".

 

None of the trouble with the Houthis would have eventuated had Biden forced israel to ceasefire. Ergo this is a situation of Biden's making.

I agree up to your last point.

 

The US is split between the Democrats and the GOP and they are too busy fighting each other for power and control, instead of working together for their own benefit, rather than that of the entire USA and the rest of the world.

[billd766]

12 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

More support for favourite terrorists.

Do you have any sensible or better ideas?

 

Instead...discuss things with the poster on the thread and put your thoughts and ideas across, and let anybody join in...

[Georgealbert]

9 hours ago, billd766 said:

Do you have any sensible or better ideas?

 

Instead ... discuss things with the poster on the thread and put your thoughts and ideas across, and let anybody join in...

 

... the Kiwi... He has continued to show support for both Hamas and the Houthis, so how was my statement be an insult??

 

[billd766]

8 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

 

 

 

AFAIK answering a post from anybody is not trolling them.

 

[CharlieH]

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Keep civil please and adhere to Community Guidelines.

[Yellowtail]

Wait, what? When were they taken of the list to start with? 

 

And why the 30-day notice?