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Mike. I have an offshore (Isle of Man) private pension fund that's due to start paying in April 2024.

 

It was funded solely by my (very taxed) income in Thailand, will I have to pay tax on the funds again when it is re-imported (i.e. spent)??

 

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10 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

If your income is over 120,000 baht per year, you must file a Thai tax return between 1 January and 31 March.

How does one submit one?  Online or in person and what info/forms are required for someone on a basic pension with money already in the bank here in Thailand above 65 on a retirement extension with no other income?

There are obviously far too many scenarios for you to cover but the one above is as basic as it gets.

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Just now, Mike Lister said:

The online system is in Thai and you need a tax account and a TIN before you can access the system. Your best bet is to go to your local District Revenue office and they will prepare the return for you, as long as you have al the information.

 

Take a Thai speaker!

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2 minutes ago, Crossy said:

 

Take a Thai speaker!

It depends on the location, in the North there are several people at the District Office who speak English plus all RD staff have been extremely helpful in the past.

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Just now, Mike Lister said:

It depends on the location, in the North there are several people at the District Office who speak English plus all RD staff have been extremely helpful in the past.

 

Yeah, the hardest part is getting past the receptionist (same worldwide). Once in the system you could manage alone.

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1 minute ago, Dmaxdan said:

Logically, they are going to have to employ more English speaking staff.

 

One minor concern of mine is come the first three months of next year they are going to be snowed under with "fish out of water" foreigners.

 

There is estimated to be 30,000 expats in Chiang Mai alone. Whilst not all of them will have to file tax returns it's quite possible that 20,000 plus may have to.

That roughly equates to the RD having to process about 260 foreign tax returns every single working day between January 1st and March 31st!

 

 

The RD is actively moving people from paper to online which if they provide an English language version, will ease the workload massively. Language is not an issue at CM District 1 or 2 offices but I take your point, the work load could increase dramatically.

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Thank you very much for all your efforts on behalf of us all.

 

I have found the thread clear and concise.

 

I have 3 pensions,

1   the state pension 

2  a military pension

3  a company pension

 

1   They are all brought in as they are paid every month but I did not see anything about the tax rates on that.

 

2   In an earlier post I believe that you mentioned that military pensions were exempt from Thai tax.

 

3   I am 79, married and have a 19 year old son going through university in Chiang Rai. Can I claim an allowance for him? I send him an allowance for his living expenses every month. Can I claim that back also.

 

Thank you.

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1 minute ago, Mike Lister said:

Yes, your son can remain as a deduction as long as he remains in full time education, I believe until age 26 if I'm not mistaken. 

 

Yes, UK military pensions are treaty exempt.

 

Your state and company pensions are potentially taxable here but your allowances will be close to 600k baht per year. 

Thank you for a prompt and kind reply.

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Just now, billd766 said:

2   In an earlier post I believe that you mentioned that military pensions were exempt from Thai tax.

 

Info

 

2. = Taxed only in UK

 

"Article 19 Governmental Services...
 
(2) (a) Any pension paid by the Contracting State or a political subdivision or a local authority thereof to any individual in respect of services of a governmental nature rendered to that State or subdivision or local authority thereof shall be taxable only in that State."

https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/international-manual/intm343040

 

(I'll have the same 3 Types of pension as you have in just over 6 years time hopefully :smile:, for DTA purposes).

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm from the UK, age 57 I been living in Thailand for 6 years I'm also married to a Thai.

My question is I do a monthly transfer from my UK bank account into my Thai bank of 25,000฿.

The money I transfer from the UK is saving that I accumulated over my lifetime and sale of my house in UK ( which I made no capital gains on the sale ).

Would i need to pay tax on my 25,000฿ ( annually 300,000฿ ) and if so how much please ?🙏

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32 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

I don't see how this long detailed post makes anything clearer or "simple" in anyway. And forgive me if you have gone to some trouble on everyone's behalf. You say yourself the details are still not complete which is where we have been for months. Absolutely no offence or negativity intended...just my observation


There is at least half a dozen interviews with Thai tax specialists on YouTube and not one have said they know exactly what these rules mean. 

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2 minutes ago, dayo202 said:

I'm from the UK, age 57 I been living in Thailand for 6 years I'm also married to a Thai.

My question is I do a monthly transfer from my UK bank account into my Thai bank of 25,000฿.

The money I transfer from the UK is saving that I accumulated over my lifetime and sale of my house in UK ( which I made no capital gains on the sale ).

Would i need to pay tax on my 25,000฿ ( annually 300,000฿ ) and if so how much please ?🙏

It sounds as though you transfer savings and sale proceeds that were all accumulated prior to 1 January 2024, in which case, there is no tax to pay in Thailand on those transfers.

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8 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

It sounds as though you transfer savings and sale proceeds that were all accumulated prior to 1 January 2024, in which case, there is no tax to pay in Thailand on those transfers.

Mike, I'm guessing I still need to file a tax return next January - March 2025 even if I'm paid 0% tax on my transfers.

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6 minutes ago, dayo202 said:

Mike, I'm guessing I still need to file a tax return next January - March 2025 even if I'm paid 0% tax on my transfers.

Have you read the document at the start of the thread because I think you ought to, there is information in there that you need to understand which I would rather not have to repeat here? It will also help me if you can come back and tell us if you understood the document or not because that will tell me if we need to make changes to it.

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54 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

A statement dated before 1 January 2024 showing the value of the funds in an account overseas would work. 

 

46 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

PERSON D - Under age 50, income from savings and investments.

This person has limited TADE because of their age plus there is no tax exemption on their sources of income. This person must look at whether their income was taxed at source in their home country, and on the terms and conditions (T&C) of their country's DTA, either of which may make some or all of their income tax exempt.

 

Let's try this example, please.

 

Person X:  Over 50 with retirement visa, not collecting pension or social security.  Married to (retired) Thai national, files tax as single with no dependents.  All income from savings and investments. 

 

Manages fund sales and monthly dividends to stay under the tax due threshold in home country (USA).  Files a tax return as is required, but pays no income tax.

 

IRS allows about $14,500 single tax deduction, and up to about $47,000 capital gains taxed at 0%.  Tax return would be filed claiming up to $47K income and capital gains, but would not be assessed tax.

 

How much can person X bring in to Thailand before being taxed, and at what point is a Thai tax return required?  Only Thai income is the measly 1.25% fixed account retirement balance, already taxed at 15%.

 

  What home country documentation, if any, would be required?  A USA tax return showing zero tax paid?  A brokerage statement from the prior year?

 

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13 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

Income earned prior to 1 January 2024 is free of tax in Thailand. Proving that was earned before that date will involve a baseline statement of each account, as of 31 December 2023.

 

So, let's say Person X has a baseline statement from Dec 31, 2023 with a balance of $1 million.

 

Does this mean Person X can transfer into Thailand any of this amount free of tax?  And for how long?  Can X bring in $100K each year for the next ten years tax free, by showing the 2023 base balance along with a sum total of all monies transferred in until exhausted?

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