Dolf Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: They followed the agreement closely enough that Trump ordered a withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan. Unless your position is that Trump was lying. So your position is the army generals told Biden it was a stupid plan and Biden did it anyway? So Biden is an idiot who doesn't listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BigStar Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Danderman123 said: They followed the agreement closely enough that Trump ordered a withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan. Unless your position is that Trump was lying. Oh, you're always imagining Trump is lying, when it's mostly you lying about Trump and Biden. Get over it. Trump ordered a withdrawal, but not a total withdrawal. The plan was to maintain enough presence, that could be quickly expanded, to persuade the Taliban to fulfil the agreement totally if they didn't. That said, Trump strongly wanted out of that war, no doubt about that. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, Dolf said: Past history. Biden turns 82 soon. What's he going to do? Keep blaming Trump? Biden is an idiot and getting too old. Standard deflection from a troll. Tell us about Trump ordering a withdrawal from Afghanistan before January 2021, and how that would have gone. A classic troll tactic is to post a lie, and then change the subject when challenged. You're not a troll are you? How does trolling convince anyone? We should be trying to educate each other here. What purpose does lying serve, especially when accompanied by obvious trolling? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: "It didn't work out" = Russia lost the battle of Kiev. Now its a battle of attrition. It's a matter of time before Russia is swamped by production in Europe and the US. And Canada. The Ukraine has been smashed https://visitukraine.today/blog/2361/what-losses-did-ukraine-suffer-due-to-the-russian-invasion-new-estimates-by-kse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Danderman123 said: Standard deflection from a troll. Tell us about Trump ordering a withdrawal from Afghanistan before January 2021, and how that would have gone. A classic troll tactic is to post a lie, and then change the subject when challenged. You're not a troll are you? How does trolling convince anyone? We should be trying to educate each other here. What purpose does lying serve, especially when accompanied by obvious trolling? Why are you talking about 2021? It is 2024. No wonder you are confused about the war. Ukraine is losing. What will an 82 or 83yo Biden do about it? Keep giving money. You seem to have no ideas on how Ukraine wins. Just Trump smearing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danderman123 Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, BigStar said: Oh, you're always imagining Trump is lying, when it's mostly you lying about Trump and Biden. Get over it. Trump ordered a withdrawal, but not a total withdrawal. The plan was to maintain enough presence, that could be quickly expanded, to persuade the Taliban to fulfil the agreement totally if they didn't. That said, Trump strongly wanted out of that war, no doubt about that. Just eight days after the 2020 election, then-President Donald Trump was so determined to end the war in Afghanistan during his presidency that he secretly signed a memo to withdraw all troops by January 15, 2021, according to a new book, “Peril,” from journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa. You really can't help yourself, can you? Please show us your grip on reality by explaining why Trump's "instant" withdrawal would have gone better than the May 2021 fiasco. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-disgrace-disaster-russia-ukraine-war-mark-levin Biden is a disgrace. Worst ever. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dolf Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 Just now, Danderman123 said: Just eight days after the 2020 election, then-President Donald Trump was so determined to end the war in Afghanistan during his presidency that he secretly signed a memo to withdraw all troops by January 15, 2021, according to a new book, “Peril,” from journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa. You really can't help yourself, can you? Please show us your grip on reality by explaining why Trump's "instant" withdrawal would have gone better than the May 2021 fiasco. Nothing to do with Russia. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigStar Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: "It didn't work out" = Russia lost the battle of Kiev. Now its a battle of attrition. It's a matter of time before Russia is swamped by production in Europe and the US. And Canada. No, it's a matter of time before Ukraine is swamped by production in Russia, China, N. Korea, and Iran. Support for Ukraine is flagging in the west. Note the Bundestag just the other day refused to send Taurus missiles to Ukraine. Ukraine has no economic value to the West. It's all political theatre. The Cold War was over, old Soviet Union gone. Putin was pretty much staying in his lane. No point in expanding NATO to Ukraine as Biden went and blathered about. In fact the need for NATO in the modern world order is questionable. Or it WAS, until this screwup. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, BigStar said: No, it's a matter of time before Ukraine is swamped by production in Russia, China, N. Korea, and Iran. Support for Ukraine is flagging in the west. Note the Bundestag just the other day refused to send Taurus missiles to Ukraine. Ukraine has no economic value to the West. It's all political theatre. The Cold War was over, old Soviet Union gone. Putin was pretty much staying in his lane. No point in expanding NATO to Ukraine as Biden went and blathered about. In fact the need for NATO in the modern world order is questionable. Or it WAS, until this screwup. If I wanted to listen to Radio Moscow, I would buy a radio. I don't have time for Russian propaganda, sorry. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: If I wanted to listen to Radio Moscow, I would buy a radio. I don't have time for Russian propaganda, sorry. It is the truth. Been reported in western press too. You really don't know what's going on in Ukraine do you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-russia-news-putin-nuclear-live-updates-kyiv-12541713 Russian is going harder now 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigStar Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: Please show us your grip on reality by explaining why Trump's "instant" withdrawal would have gone better than the May 2021 fiasco. Soon as you recognize the reality that he quickly rescinded his own memo IF it ever really existed, was never official policy, and the original plan remained in force. Time to get back on topic? Edited February 23 by BigStar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigStar Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 28 minutes ago, BigStar said: No point in expanding NATO to Ukraine as Biden went and blathered about. In fact the need for NATO in the modern world order is questionable. Or it WAS, until this screwup. Main reason nowadays the big munitions-supplying countries like to expand NATO is that it means big money for their industries. Meanwhile, Biden can't manage to suppress a stone age tribe of Houtis. Shooting down $2000 drones with $2M missiles. More brilliance. It's only money--borrowed money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, BigStar said: Soon as you recognize the reality that he quickly rescinded his own memo IF it ever really existed, was never official policy, and the original plan remained in force. Time to get back on topic? Trump never rescinded his Afghanistan withdrawal memo. Nor did Trump do any work to prepare for any withdrawal from Afghanistan. He just washed his hands of it. Lazy. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, BigStar said: Meanwhile, Biden can't manage to suppress a stone age tribe of Houtis. Shooting down $2000 drones with $2M missiles. More brilliance. It's only money--borrowed money. As are some European countries. But many $2000 drones get shot down with .50 cal bullets. Stupid Houthis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 8 hours ago, BigStar said: Do you have any information or cogent arguments, or are you just blathering slurs while having a w*nk? I suppose you consider that a constructive and meaningful post! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 9 hours ago, candide said: Hard to believe you don't know this! 😀 It would be hard to believe he actually knows any facts. All the dolt knows is what is Trumpeted into it's so called brain! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 8 hours ago, BigStar said: Yeah, these old Walter Mittys, Brits mainly, quaff a few Changs in their rented rooms while watching a game of footy, maybe toke some good weed, and then belly up to their keyboards to transform themselves into expert geopolitical strategists. I take it that you are describing yourself! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 7 hours ago, Danderman123 said: Trump never rescinded his Afghanistan withdrawal memo. Nor did Trump do any work to prepare for any withdrawal from Afghanistan. He just washed his hands of it. Lazy. Topic is about Putin. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted February 24 Popular Post Share Posted February 24 (edited) 10 hours ago, BigStar said: Oh, you're always imagining Trump is lying, when it's mostly you lying about Trump and Biden. Get over it. Trump ordered a withdrawal, but not a total withdrawal. The plan was to maintain enough presence, that could be quickly expanded, to persuade the Taliban to fulfil the agreement totally if they didn't. That said, Trump strongly wanted out of that war, no doubt about that. Really? "President Donald Trump ordered a rapid withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Afghanistan and Somalia in the wake of his 2020 election loss, but senior officials never followed through on the plan, according to testimony released by the congressional January 6 committee on Thursday. “The order was for an immediate withdrawal, and it would have been catastrophic,” said Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., one of two Republican members of the special panel. “And yet President Trump signed the order.” https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/10/13/trump-ordered-rapid-withdrawal-from-afghanistan-after-election-loss/#:~:text=President Donald Trump ordered a,January 6 committee on Thursday. And despite the fact that the Taliban repeatedly violated the agreement, that didn't move Trump to delay the pullout. Top US Commander Doubts Afghan Taliban Commitment to Peace The United States is not ready to abandon its agreement with the Taliban in Afghanistan, but the general in charge of U.S. forces in the region says there are signs the deal ultimately may be doomed. U.S. Central Command’s General Kenneth McKenzie said Thursday that despite a pledge to reduce violence, the frequency of Taliban attacks across Afghanistan remained troubling. "I would not consider what the Taliban is doing as consistent with any path to going forward to come to a final end state agreement with the current government of Afghanistan,” McKenzie told U.S. lawmakers. https://www.voanews.com/a/south-central-asia_top-us-commander-doubts-afghan-taliban-commitment-peace/6185719.html Edited February 24 by placeholder 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 15 hours ago, Dolf said: So your position is the army generals told Biden it was a stupid plan and Biden did it anyway? So Biden is an idiot who doesn't listen. I was responding to a question about whether the Taliban adhered to Trump's agreement with them. I stated that the Taliban did enough that Trump wanted to withdraw all US troops by January 20, 2021. Just the facts, ma'am. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 So, why are the Russians helping with the Biden impeachment inquiry? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Back to topic! I guess this time our MAGA posters won't claim that the elections has been rigged! 😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 22 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: So, why are the Russians helping with the Biden impeachment inquiry? Russian conspiracy theories again and again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: So, why are the Russians helping with the Biden impeachment inquiry? Before the war Biden was helping Russia https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/international-issues/russia-benefits-from-biden-oil-and-natural-gas-policies/ https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/21/democrats-biden-russian-pipeline-deal-500474 And hurting Ukraine Edited February 24 by Dolf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 34 minutes ago, candide said: Back to topic! I guess this time our MAGA posters won't claim that the elections has been rigged! 😀 If Biden wins, you know what is going to happen? All Trump cults will create riots all over Usa, and Putin get his revenge. Or Putin truly believes Biden and his government will be the most reliable and predictable. He knows what he gets. With Biden, you get experienced politicians, with Trump, you get what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 24 minutes ago, Dolf said: Before the war Biden was helping Russia So, why was Russia helping the Biden impeachment inquiry? And why are you unable to answer the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 5 minutes ago, Hummin said: If Biden wins, you know what is going to happen? All Trump cults will create riots all over Usa, and Putin get his revenge. Or Putin truly believes Biden and his government will be the most reliable and predictable. He knows what he gets. With Biden, you get experienced politicians, with Trump, you get what? Sorry, I was not clear. Let's rephrase it. I guess our MAGA posters, who claimed the 2020 U.S. election was rigged, will certainly not make the same claim about the next elections in Russia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 29 minutes ago, Dolf said: Russian conspiracy theories again and again. FBI informant who lied about the Bidens’ ties to Ukrainian energy company had high-level Russian contacts This FBI informant was passing disinformation from Russian intelligence to the Biden impeachment inquiry. Why was Russia helping the impeachment inquiry? Why are you psychologically unable to answer the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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