Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[rattlesnake]

28 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Why are there no photos of actual starvation ?

Dramatic posed for photos of kids with saucepans held out are not photos of kids starving 

 

Are you claiming that CNN (and a number of established outlets) are fabricating a story about this?

[Bkk Brian]

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I've been on Ramy Abdu's Twitter and it is an interesting source of information regarding Israel's actions – although being Palestinian, he is of coursed biased, as are UN Watch (which you quote here) who are openly pro-Israeli.

 

I think it is better to quote independent parties (neither Israeli nor Palestinian) where possible.

Denial and avoidance of the facts which are that Euro Med are run by a bunch of Hamas supporters and vile anti-Semitic clowns. Avoidance of the opinions shared by UN Watch and avoidance of reading the independent links they give to all the sources for their articles including the UN itself. 

 

Your comments on your visit to Ramy Abdu's twitter account reveal more denialism of what he really is, he's not just bias he openly supporter the terrorists and commenced that support on Oct 8th when he first posted celebrating the event one day after it happened.

 

"In this battle, Palestine presented its elite young men and women on the path to freedom and dignity. Successive generations will remember you, and history will immortalize you as heroic knights who created for us pure glory, not stained with mud. Remember their names well and teach the stories of their eternal heroism to your children and grandchildren."

 

He has been discussed here numerous times in these topics. Here is just one which also contains a link to the sick tweet above. He still denies that Hamas sexually assaulted Israeli women on October 7th, referring to this as “a fabricated lie.” The UN and its investigations among others have evidence to the contrary.

 

Of course then we have the other anti-Semitic, Richard Falk known for his 9/11 conspiracy theories.

 

Obviously with your own self admission that you are a flat earther its not surprising you gravitate to others who share conspiracy theories but actively denying who Euro Med are really is a very low bar  to showcase your opinions. Shame on you.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Well fed? A couple of excerpts from that article below.

 

With only a trickle of aid getting into the starving north, foreign governments have turned to airdrops as “a way to show that they’re doing something,” said Shira Efron of the Israel Policy Forum. The problem is that “airdrops are as inefficient as they are dangerous,” according to a source from an international NGO working in Gaza who asked to remain anonymous.

[...]

Tragically, on Monday, people drowned as they tried to get the crates landing in the water, witnesses saying some of the dead were children.

Seems the poster you quoted thinks 26 tons is more than a drop in the bucket among 2 million people. Perhaps he thinks the Christ is going to reincarnate and repeat the miracle of the loaves and the fishes.

 

It's a bit sad when some are so desperate to excuse israeli crimes that they start claiming silly things on here.

 

Did he explain why it was even necessary for Spain to drop anything, when there are hundreds of trucks waiting outside Gaza loaded with hundreds of tons of food?

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Are you claiming that CNN (and a number of established outlets) are fabricating a story about this?

Seems the israeli apologists are becoming desperate in their attempts to cover for israeli crimes.

It doesn't take a math genius to work out that if 500 trucks used to arrive in Gaza every day before October 7 and that is reduced to a few, then it's not going to take long for people to starve.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems the israeli apologists are becoming desperate in their attempts to cover for israeli crimes.

It doesn't take a math genius to work out that if 500 trucks used to arrive in Gaza every day before October 7 and that is reduced to a few, then it's not going to take long for people to starve.

Get the basics right, there was never 500 trucks of food entering Gaza. Only around 22 per cent were food supplies.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Here:

 

 

As I recall, Biden, or his team had to withdraw his claim to have seen photographs of it.

[beautifulthailand99]

The evil that men do. Quite horrific and if papers like the Daily Mail are printing this just how bad is the situation. Pariah state indeed.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13248883/Just-skin-bone-starving-Gaza-toddlers-kept-incubators-human-rights-chief-warns-Israel-guilty-war-crime-cut-food-aid.html

[Bkk Brian]

12 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

This is off topic but just for context:

Israel has often been implicated in organ harvesting scandals, research Moshe Harel.

You are attempting to draw a parallel context with the conspiracy theory being spread by Hamas in that Euro Med article which claims the IDF is organ harvesting.

 

You do that with planting another conspiracy theory that Israel has done this before. When one person does something that does not make a country guilty. 

[rattlesnake]

7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Denial and avoidance of the facts which are that Euro Med are run by a bunch of Hamas supporters and vile anti-Semitic clowns. Avoidance of the opinions shared by UN Watch and avoidance of reading the independent links they give to all the sources for their articles including the UN itself. 

 

Your comments on your visit to Ramy Abdu's twitter account reveal more denialism of what he really is, he's not just bias he openly supporter the terrorists and commenced that support on Oct 8th when he first posted celebrating the event one day after it happened.

 

"In this battle, Palestine presented its elite young men and women on the path to freedom and dignity. Successive generations will remember you, and history will immortalize you as heroic knights who created for us pure glory, not stained with mud. Remember their names well and teach the stories of their eternal heroism to your children and grandchildren."

 

He has been discussed here numerous times in these topics. Here is just one which also contains a link to the sick tweet above. He still denies that Hamas sexually assaulted Israeli women on October 7th, referring to this as “a fabricated lie.” The UN and its investigations among others have evidence to the contrary.

 

Of course then we have the other anti-Semitic, Richard Falk known for his 9/11 conspiracy theories.

 

Obviously with your own self admission that you are a flat earther its not surprising you gravitate to others who share conspiracy theories but actively denying who Euro Med are really is a very low bar  to showcase your opinions. Shame on you.

 

 

 

Ramy Abdu is a by-product of Israel's bolstering of Hamas for its own agenda, which is now in plain sight.

 

It is quite unequivocal who has shameful opinions on this thread, and who's denialism is so deep that they choose to contend the UN is an antisemitic body rather than acknowledge the fact that Palestinians are coldly and methodically being ethnically cleansed.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Ramy Abdu is a by-product of Israel's bolstering of Hamas for its own agenda, which is now in plain sight.

 

It is quite unequivocal who has shameful opinions on this thread, and who's denialism is so deep that they choose to contend the UN is an antisemitic body rather than acknowledge the fact that Palestinians are coldly and methodically being ethnically cleansed.

It is quite unequivocal who has shameful opinions on this thread, and who's denialism is so deep that they choose to contend the UN is an antisemitic body.

 

Really? I am quoting and giving evidence of people who know far more than you, the UN themselves, the US, Germany, France, you've not gone to the links have you, that's evident. But I will leave you with this from another who used to work there everyday and knows.

 

Nikki Haley US ambassador to the UN

I’ve seen antisemitism. I confronted it every day at the United Nations. And I know that the Jew-haters try to hide it by saying they only hate Israel.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-779118

[Nick Carter icp]

12 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Are you claiming that CNN (and a number of established outlets) are fabricating a story about this?

 

  Yes, why don't they publish photos of those starving .

There is no starvation in Gaza , a few people sick in hospital of other ailments doesn't count as starvation .

[Nick Carter icp]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems the poster you quoted thinks 26 tons is more than a drop in the bucket among 2 million people. Perhaps he thinks the Christ is going to reincarnate and repeat the miracle of the loaves and the fishes.

 

   Me ?

I gave example of one food drop that day . 

There is other food entering Gaza , I just provided one example to show that there's no starvation going on in Gaza

[coolcarer]

14 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

They are openly pro-Israeli and therefore not independent.

They are the very definition of an independent org and do exactly what they say on the box. Expose disgusting antisemitism. Obviously something you would prefer they didn’t. 

[Nick Carter icp]

6 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The evil that men do. Quite horrific and if papers like the Daily Mail are printing this just how bad is the situation. Pariah state indeed.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13248883/Just-skin-bone-starving-Gaza-toddlers-kept-incubators-human-rights-chief-warns-Israel-guilty-war-crime-cut-food-aid.html

 

   Those are new born babies though, they cannot eat food they drink breast milk .

Why aren't they getting their mothers breast milk ?

[Neeranam]

So sad that STILL, people think criticism of Israel's actions is Antisemitic! 

[Neeranam]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/28/famine-is-setting-in-icj-orders-israel-to-unblock-gaza-food-aid

 

sections of the population are facing imminent starvation, in a significant legal rebuke to Israel’s claim it is not blocking aid deliveries.

[Neeranam]

AS the UK is talking about stopping arming Israel to avoid being complicit in Genocide.

 

There is a petition here

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/648456

 

 

 

https://greens.scot/news/the-uk-must-end-complicity-in-genocide-against-gaza

[Nick Carter icp]

11 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/28/famine-is-setting-in-icj-orders-israel-to-unblock-gaza-food-aid

 

sections of the population are facing imminent starvation, in a significant legal rebuke to Israel’s claim it is not blocking aid deliveries.

 

   There is proof right there that there is no starvation in Gaza .

The pro Palestinian Guardian states there is the possibility of "imminent starvation" , which means that starvation could happen soon , which means its not happening now .

   It also states that its just sections of the population who are facing imminent  starvation soon , and not everyone 

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/28/famine-is-setting-in-icj-orders-israel-to-unblock-gaza-food-aid

 

sections of the population are facing imminent starvation, in a significant legal rebuke to Israel’s claim it is not blocking aid deliveries.

Yea its that bad that the ICJ gave Israel one month to report back

https://aseannow.com/topic/1323556-world-court-orders-israel-to-take-action-to-address-gaza-famine

 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

AS the UK is talking about stopping arming Israel to avoid being complicit in Genocide.

 

There is a petition here

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/648456

 

 

 

 

   That petition has been running for five months and they have so far got 14 467 signatures and also the petition is about stopping support for Israel .

   14 467 people signed out of a population of 70 million 

[Nick Carter icp]

49 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Ramy Abdu is a by-product of Israel's bolstering of Hamas for its own agenda, which is now in plain sight.

 

It is quite unequivocal who has shameful opinions on this thread, and who's denialism is so deep that they choose to contend the UN is an antisemitic body rather than acknowledge the fact that Palestinians are coldly and methodically being ethnically cleansed.

 

   I do think that the issue is with you and your side who think that anti Semitism is not only acceptable , but normal and its perfectly normal to have an agenda against Jews , the anti Semitism is ingrained and you don't even realise you are participating in it .

   You even oppose groups that highlight Anti Semitism .

Why don't you care about the actual starvation in Yemen ?

[Nick Carter icp]

13 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

It's all been detailed in this part of the thread, a Netanyahu spokesperson said it and Biden relayed it, among others.

 

   Netanyahu showed photos of the killed infants to the media 

 

 

Netanyahu’s office releases horrifying images of infants murdered by Hamas

 

 

 

 

 

The Prime Minister’s Office took the extraordinary step on Thursday of releasing gruesome photos of murdered babies to reporters and the public, seeking to underscore the atrocities carried out by Hamas in its savage rampage through southern Israel on Saturday.

The Times of Israel is sharing heavily blurred versions of the photos that were released.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-office-releases-horrifying-images-of-infants-murdered-by-hamas/

 

 

 

 There were babies killed in the attack .

Some people were saying that because babies weren't all beheaded, that means no infants were killed that day .

   What are you claiming that Israel lied about ?

 

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

19 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Netanyahu showed photos of the killed infants to the media 

 

 

Netanyahu’s office releases horrifying images of infants murdered by Hamas

 

 

 

 

 

The Prime Minister’s Office took the extraordinary step on Thursday of releasing gruesome photos of murdered babies to reporters and the public, seeking to underscore the atrocities carried out by Hamas in its savage rampage through southern Israel on Saturday.

The Times of Israel is sharing heavily blurred versions of the photos that were released.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-office-releases-horrifying-images-of-infants-murdered-by-hamas/

 

 

 

 There were babies killed in the attack .

Some people were saying that because babies weren't all beheaded, that means no infants were killed that day .

   What are you claiming that Israel lied about ?

 

 

 

 

Everything

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Everything

 

  You are lying, that isn't true 

[Jeff the Chef]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  You are lying, that isn't true 

OK, prove it.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

OK, prove it.

 

   This is a rather stupid discussion , lets up the intelligence level a bit 

[Jeff the Chef]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   This is a rather stupid discussion , lets up the intelligence level a bit 

 

I'm fine with that, can I suggest that you don't ask simple questions that only require one word answers, and then accuse the replier of lying.

[rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

So sad that STILL, people think criticism of Israel's actions is Antisemitic! 

 

I don't believe they really think it, they push the narrative which fits their ideology.

[Nick Carter icp]

11 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

I'm fine with that, can I suggest that you don't ask simple questions that only require one word answers, and then accuse the replier of lying.

 

   You was lying when you claimed that Israel lied about everything 

[Jeff the Chef]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You was lying when you claimed that Israel lied about everything 

 

Really, so prove where I am lying and Israel is purer than the driven snow.