Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[transam]

1 minute ago, owl sees all said:

This is escalating. The beginning of the end of the Israel state as we know it.

Then you woke up..............😂

[Neeranam]

23 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

This is escalating. The beginning of the end of the Israel state as we know it.

Indeed, they are digging their own graves, continuing to bomb refugee camps. 

 

Several people have been killed and a number of others have been injured in Israeli bombing that targeted an UNRWA school housing displaced people in Shati refugee camp, located on the coast of Gaza City, according to our colleagues on the ground.

 

https://aje.io/t7k6fn?update=2958093

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Indeed, they are digging their own graves, continuing to bomb refugee camps. 

 

Several people have been killed and a number of others have been injured in Israeli bombing that targeted an UNRWA school housing displaced people in Shati refugee camp, located on the coast of Gaza City, according to our colleagues on the ground.

 

https://aje.io/t7k6fn?update=2958093

 

That's the same link you posted on the previous page, why are you ignoring the fact that many of those killed were terrorists?

 

‘Falling for Hamas tactics’: IDF names 9 terrorists killed in school strike, slams media

https://www.timesofisrael.com/falling-for-hamas-tactics-hagari-slams-world-media-coverage-of-strike-on-un-school/

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New Topic:

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Another Hamas UN base uncovered and destroyed

 

IDF says strike hit Hamas command room housed in container at Gaza City UN school

Army doesn’t say how many gunmen hit; Palestinians say 15 dead, including at least 3 civilians; IDF identifies 17 terror operatives killed in Thursday strike on UNRWA school.

The Israel Defense Forces said Friday that they had carried out an airstrike on a Hamas command center that had been set up in a United Nations school in Gaza City’s Shati neighborhood, killing several members of the cell.

The strike comes a day after the IDF hit another UN school housing what it said was a compound used by dozens of terror operatives. The IDF on Friday also released the identities of another eight Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad operatives who were among those killed in that strike, bringing the number of named terror operatives so far to to 17.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-strike-hit-hamas-command-room-housed-in-container-at-gaza-city-un-school/

[Jeff the Chef]

Israel’s war on Gaza may be “a curtain call” for the post-World War Tw0 international rules-based order, Amnesty International secretary general Agnes Callamard said on Thursday.

“The gravity of the violations being committed, the fact that we are witnessing them every day… the flimsy justification by western democracies - all of these warn… of a possible total collapse of the rules-based order,” she said.

Speaking at the Balfour Project annual conference in London, Callamard denounced the US and UK’s continued backing of Israel’s offensive in Gaza as “making a mockery” of international law.

The conference dealt with the question how “peace with justice” can be achieved in Palestine, but many of the speakers highlighted how the actions of the UK, US and other western governments are at odds with this goal.

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-may-be-curtain-call-international-order-amnesty-chief-warns

[coolcarer]

Great work IDF. Local Hamas authorities will put them all down as more Palestinians are killed.......lol

 

IDF says dozens of terror operatives killed in central Gaza, including head of Hamas rocket cell

The IDF says it has killed dozens of terror operatives amid an ongoing operation in east Buriej and east Deir al-Balah in the central Gaza Strip.
The operation began earlier this week, and is being carried out by the 98th Division.
Troops located tunnel shafts and demolished infrastructure used by terror groups in the area, the IDF says.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-dozens-of-terror-operatives-killed-in-central-gaza-including-head-of-hamas-rocket-cell/

[Bkk Brian]

Fantastic news! 4 hostages rescued by IDF from the terrorists

 

Noa Argamani, 25, Almog Meir Jan, 21, Andri Kozlov, 27, and Shlomi Ziv, 40—were freed from two separate locations in Nuseirat, central Gaza.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1329288-idf-rescue-four-israeli-hostages-in-central-gaza-raid/

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

We stopped a ticking time bomb

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The conference dealt with the question how “peace with justice” can be achieved in Palestine, but many of the speakers highlighted how the actions of the UK, US and other western governments are at odds with this goal.

I wonder if any government members were present? If so they must have had burning ears!

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Israel’s war on Gaza may be “a curtain call” for the post-World War Tw0 international rules-based order, Amnesty International secretary general Agnes Callamard said on Thursday.

Stating the blindingly obvious.

It's apparent to all but the willfully blind that when it comes to israel some western leaders are all too willing to ditch the rules. Shame on them for doing so when they take a 180 degree approach to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

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New topic just published:

 

Gaza War Protesters Criticize Biden in 'Red Line' Rally at White House

 

 

[Neeranam]

Gaza’s Government Media Office says the “Israeli massacre” at the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza killed 210 Palestinians and wounded more than 400.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/6/9/israels-war-on-gaza-live-nightmare-as-hospital-copes-with-nuseirat-dead

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Gaza’s Government Media Office says the “Israeli massacre” at the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza killed 210 Palestinians and wounded more than 400.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/6/9/israels-war-on-gaza-live-nightmare-as-hospital-copes-with-nuseirat-dead

Gaza’s Government Media Office 

 

The one the UN no longer uses...................

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New Topics:

 

Discrepancies in Gaza Casualty Figures: An Analysis of Hamas Data By Associated Press

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1329322-discrepancies-in-gaza-casualty-figures-an-analysis-of-hamas-data-by-associated-press/

 

 

Biden's Forgotten the Atrocities of October 7—But Israelis Can't

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1329320-bidens-forgotten-the-atrocities-of-october-7—but-israelis-cant/

 

[Bkk Brian]

Latest ISW Update:

 

NEW: Israeli War Cabinet minister Benny Gantz resigned from the coalition government on June 9. Gantz’s resignation will not on its own cause the collapse of the Netanyahu government. 

The IDF expects to conclude clearing operations in Rafah in the “next few weeks,” according to an Israeli Army Radio correspondent.

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

40 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Latest ISW Update:

 

NEW: Israeli War Cabinet minister Benny Gantz resigned from the coalition government on June 9. Gantz’s resignation will not on its own cause the collapse of the Netanyahu government. 

The IDF expects to conclude clearing operations in Rafah in the “next few weeks,” according to an Israeli Army Radio correspondent.

 

 

 

Good riddance to bad rubbish. 

 

What were his ideas that he did not see followed through on? 

[Jeff the Chef]

An alternative view on Benny Gantz resignation from the BBC

 

 

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

An alternative view on Benny Gantz resignation from the BBC

 

 

That he is actually a Hamas supporter? What's new about that? 

[Bkk Brian]

That's ok, the IDF are on your tail and after you bro

 

'We will not surrender': Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh fumes after Israel frees hostages

“Our people will not surrender, and the resistance will continue to defend our rights in the face of this criminal enemy,” Haniyeh reportedly said. “And if the occupation believes that it can impose its choices on us by force, it is delusional, and the movement will not agree to any agreement that does not achieve security for our people first and foremost.”

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-805433

[Jeff the Chef]

11 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

That he is actually a Hamas supporter? What's new about that? 

 

Thanks for the information, do you have a link to confirm your statement?

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

That he is actually a Hamas supporter? What's new about that? 

 

You could be a spokesperson for the IDF with remarks like that.

 

If Gantz is a Hamas supporter his military career says otherwise:

 

Military career
Gantz was drafted into the IDF in 1977. He volunteered as a paratrooper in the Paratroopers Brigade. His first mission as a young conscript in 1977 was as part of the security detail for Egyptian President Anwar Sadat's visit to Israel. As a paratrooper, he fought in Operation Litani in March 1978 and also participated in a June 1978 raid against a Fatah training base in Lebanon. In 1979, Gantz became an officer after completing Officer Candidate School. He returned to the Paratroopers Brigade and served as a platoon leader and company commander, completed a course in the U.S. Army Special Forces, and fought in the First Lebanon War.

Later on, he led 890 "Efe" (Echis) paratroop battalion in counter-guerrilla operations in the South Lebanon security zone. In 1991, he commanded the commando unit that was on the ground in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, for 36 hours, securing the Operation Solomon airlift of 14,000 Ethiopian Jews to Israel.

He served in senior command positions during the Second Intifada and Second Lebanon War.

In the course of his military career, Gantz served as commander of the Shaldag Unit in the Israeli Air Force; commander of the 35th Paratroopers Brigade; commander of the Reserves Division in the Northern Command; commander of the Lebanon Liaison Unit; commander of the Judea and Samaria Division in 2000, before becoming the commander of the Israeli Northern Command in 2001; and as Israel's military attaché in the United States from 2005 until 2009, before becoming the deputy chief of the General Staff.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Gantz

[Yellowtail]

4 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Thanks for the information, do you have a link to confirm your statement?

That was from your link. Did you not watch it? 

[Yellowtail]

3 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

You could be a spokesperson for the IDF with remarks like that.

 

If Gantz is a Hamas supporter his military career says otherwise:

 

Military career
Gantz was drafted into the IDF in 1977. He volunteered as a paratrooper in the Paratroopers Brigade. His first mission as a young conscript in 1977 was as part of the security detail for Egyptian President Anwar Sadat's visit to Israel. As a paratrooper, he fought in Operation Litani in March 1978 and also participated in a June 1978 raid against a Fatah training base in Lebanon. In 1979, Gantz became an officer after completing Officer Candidate School. He returned to the Paratroopers Brigade and served as a platoon leader and company commander, completed a course in the U.S. Army Special Forces, and fought in the First Lebanon War.

Later on, he led 890 "Efe" (Echis) paratroop battalion in counter-guerrilla operations in the South Lebanon security zone. In 1991, he commanded the commando unit that was on the ground in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, for 36 hours, securing the Operation Solomon airlift of 14,000 Ethiopian Jews to Israel.

He served in senior command positions during the Second Intifada and Second Lebanon War.

In the course of his military career, Gantz served as commander of the Shaldag Unit in the Israeli Air Force; commander of the 35th Paratroopers Brigade; commander of the Reserves Division in the Northern Command; commander of the Lebanon Liaison Unit; commander of the Judea and Samaria Division in 2000, before becoming the commander of the Israeli Northern Command in 2001; and as Israel's military attaché in the United States from 2005 until 2009, before becoming the deputy chief of the General Staff.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Gantz

Your BBC link said otherwise. 

[Jeff the Chef]

Yellowtail said,

That he is actually a Hamas supporter? What's new about that? 

 

0:01
now a leading opposition figure in
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Israel's war cabinet has resigned
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calling on the Prime Minister Benjamin
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Netanyahu to hold elections Benny Gant
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had set a deadline of this weekend for
0:11
Mr Netanyahu to outline Israel's longer
0:14
term strategy once the war in Gaza is
0:17
over Jeremy boen is here so he's a very
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experienced figure and probably one of
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the most experienced members of the war
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Cabinet why is he left yeah former
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General former head of the army one of
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his political allies um Isaac CT has
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also left with him another former
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General um well he said he gave
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Netanyahu an ultimatum 3 weeks ago to do
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those things to have a plan for what
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happens the day after so this is the
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quote that in his press conference he
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was going to say it all yesterday but he
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put it off by 24 hours after that
0:49
hostage rescue he said fateful strategic
0:52
decisions are stuck due to hesitation
0:55
and uh procrastination out of political
0:58
considerations he's talking about
1:00
Netanyahu by political considerations he
1:03
means netanyahu's desire to stay in
1:05
power perhaps prolong the war when he
1:09
could be doing a deal and to avoid the
1:12
Reckoning with the Israeli people about
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the mistakes that led up to the security
1:17
failures of 7th of October which a lot
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of Israelis blame Netanyahu for now
1:24
gance is hoping that this move will
1:27
start the destruction of the net Yahoo
1:30
government and there will be elections
1:32
and the polls say that if there were
1:33
elections he would become the Prime
1:36
Minister but might backfire because
1:38
Netanyahu is uh reliant on the votes to
1:42
keep his Coalition going of ultra
1:44
nationalist far right elements who want
1:47
the war to continue in Gaza who want to
1:49
put Jewish settlers into Gaza and they
1:52
will now perhaps have more influence
 

 

Not one word about him being a Hamas supporter, you Sir, are a LIAR.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

0:01
now a leading opposition figure in
0:02
Israel's war cabinet has resigned
0:04
calling on the Prime Minister Benjamin
0:06
Netanyahu to hold elections Benny Gant
0:09
had set a deadline of this weekend for
0:11
Mr Netanyahu to outline Israel's longer
0:14
term strategy once the war in Gaza is
0:17
over Jeremy boen is here so he's a very
0:20
experienced figure and probably one of
0:22
the most experienced members of the war
0:23
Cabinet why is he left yeah former
0:25
General former head of the army one of
0:27
his political allies um Isaac CT has
0:30
also left with him another former
0:33
General um well he said he gave
0:36
Netanyahu an ultimatum 3 weeks ago to do
0:38
those things to have a plan for what
0:41
happens the day after so this is the
0:43
quote that in his press conference he
0:45
was going to say it all yesterday but he
0:47
put it off by 24 hours after that
0:49
hostage rescue he said fateful strategic
0:52
decisions are stuck due to hesitation
0:55
and uh procrastination out of political
0:58
considerations he's talking about
1:00
Netanyahu by political considerations he
1:03
means netanyahu's desire to stay in
1:05
power perhaps prolong the war when he
1:09
could be doing a deal and to avoid the
1:12
Reckoning with the Israeli people about
1:14
the mistakes that led up to the security
1:17
failures of 7th of October which a lot
1:19
of Israelis blame Netanyahu for now
1:24
gance is hoping that this move will
1:27
start the destruction of the net Yahoo
1:30
government and there will be elections
1:32
and the polls say that if there were
1:33
elections he would become the Prime
1:36
Minister but might backfire because
1:38
Netanyahu is uh reliant on the votes to
1:42
keep his Coalition going of ultra
1:44
nationalist far right elements who want
1:47
the war to continue in Gaza who want to
1:49
put Jewish settlers into Gaza and they
1:52
will now perhaps have more influence
 

 

Not one word about him being a Hamas supporter, you Sir, are a LIAR.

Well, you do have to be able to comprehend what is being said. It's not like they are going to come right out and come right out and use the words. 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

10 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Well, you do have to be able to comprehend what is being said. It's not like they are going to come right out and come right out and use the words. 

 

 

But, it's OK for you to tell an out and out lie, there can be no excuse for that, liar liar, pants on fire.

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

But, it's OK for you to tell an out and out lie, there can be no excuse for that, liar liar, pants on fire.

No, it was not a lie. I said they called him a Hamas supporter, which they did. That other Hamas supporters hear it differently does not make it a lie. Like why you say Israel is committing genocide, I don't call you a liar, because clearly you have no real idea of what genocide means. 

[Jeff the Chef]

10 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No, it was not a lie. I said they called him a Hamas supporter, which they did. That other Hamas supporters hear it differently does not make it a lie. Like why you say Israel is committing genocide, I don't call you a liar, because clearly you have no real idea of what genocide means. 

 OK, show me in the transcript or the video where that is said, or even implied.

[Yellowtail]

14 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 OK, show me in the transcript or the video where that is said, or even implied.

0:01
now a leading opposition figure in
0:02
Israel's war cabinet has resigned
0:04
calling on the Prime Minister Benjamin
0:06
Netanyahu to hold elections Benny Gant
0:09
had set a deadline of this weekend for
0:11
Mr Netanyahu to outline Israel's longer
0:14
term strategy once the war in Gaza is
0:17
over Jeremy boen is here so he's a very
0:20
experienced figure and probably one of
0:22
the most experienced members of the war
0:23
Cabinet why is he left yeah former
0:25
General former head of the army one of
0:27
his political allies um Isaac CT has
0:30
also left with him another former
0:33
General um well he said he gave
0:36
Netanyahu an ultimatum 3 weeks ago to do
0:38
those things to have a plan for what
0:41
happens the day after so this is the
0:43
quote that in his press conference he
0:45
was going to say it all yesterday but he
0:47
put it off by 24 hours after that
0:49
hostage rescue he said fateful strategic
0:52
decisions are stuck due to hesitation
0:55
and uh procrastination out of political
0:58
considerations he's talking about
1:00
Netanyahu by political considerations he
1:03
means netanyahu's desire to stay in
1:05
power perhaps prolong the war when he
1:09
could be doing a deal and to avoid the
1:12
Reckoning with the Israeli people about
1:14
the mistakes that led up to the security
1:17
failures of 7th of October which a lot
1:19
of Israelis blame Netanyahu for now
1:24
gance is hoping that this move will
1:27
start the destruction of the net Yahoo
1:30
government and there will be elections
1:32
and the polls say that if there were
1:33
elections he would become the Prime
1:36
Minister but might backfire because
1:38
Netanyahu is uh reliant on the votes to
1:42
keep his Coalition going of ultra
1:44
nationalist far right elements who want
1:47
the war to continue in Gaza who want to
1:49
put Jewish settlers into Gaza and they
1:52
will now perhaps have more influence