Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, rattlesnake said:

 

Lots of people care, which is why it is the topic of articles by various outlets such as Newsweek and The Washington Post, which I posted here.

 

I also quoted veteran State Department official Josh Paul, who resigned because of this issue, and I could quote lots more but you would still refuse to hear ot acknowledge it.

More deflection.

 

Considering that only a dozen other members of congress agree with Bowmans views then you going to need far more than that.

 

 "on Friday, he did not show any hesitation as he grabbed the megaphone at a cease-fire rally back home in the New York City suburbs to demand what only a dozen other members of Congress have: that both Israel and Hamas lay down their arms."

 

https://archive.ph/5okzE

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/31/nyregion/jamaal-bowman-israel-gaza.html

 

[rattlesnake]

22 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

More deflection.

 

Considering that only a dozen other members of congress agree with Bowmans views then you going to need far more than that.

 

 "on Friday, he did not show any hesitation as he grabbed the megaphone at a cease-fire rally back home in the New York City suburbs to demand what only a dozen other members of Congress have: that both Israel and Hamas lay down their arms."

 

https://archive.ph/5okzE

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/31/nyregion/jamaal-bowman-israel-gaza.html

 

 

I see this article is from last October. The point I am making is that the general opinion on this issue is shifting and Israel's supporters are damaging their image and therefore their cause by so steadfastly refusing to take a step back on this issue.

 

You are entitled to disagree, but you are not helping your relevance by systematically turning this into a contentious argument.

Edited April 2 by rattlesnake
Removed erroneous reference to paywall.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, rattlesnake said:

 

The article you have posted is behind a paywall, but I see it is from last October. The point I am making is that the general opinion on this issue is shifting and Israel's supporters are damaging their image and therefore their cause by so steadfastly refusing to take a step back on this issue.

 

You are entitled to disagree, but you are not helping your relevance by systematically turning this into a contentious argument.

Its not behind a paywall, what do you think this link is? https://archive.ph/5okzE Unlike you I do not post Washington Post paywalled articles with a no paywall link.

 

Its not up to me to prove your claims. Until you do with credible links that prove its "widely disapproved" I will leave you alone, its the same as talking to a brick wall and derails the topic.

 

Department Press Briefing – April 1, 2024

 

"We're going to continue to support Israel's ability to defend itself against those sworn enemies that want to see it end as a modern state." 

 

https://www.state.gov/?post_type=state_briefing&%3Bp=92333

[rattlesnake]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its not behind a paywall, what do you think this link is? https://archive.ph/5okzE Unlike you I do not post Washington Post paywalled articles with a no paywall link.

 

Its not up to me to prove your claims. Until you do with credible links that prove its "widely disapproved" I will leave you alone, its the same as talking to a brick wall and derails the topic.

 

Department Press Briefing – April 1, 2024

 

"We're going to continue to support Israel's ability to defend itself against those sworn enemies that want to see it end as a modern state." 

 

https://www.state.gov/?post_type=state_briefing&%3Bp=92333

 

My bad about the paywall. The WP article I posted is free, I checked before posting it.

 

The only one derailing the topic is you, by systematically posting pro-Israeli content.

 

Until you do with credible links that prove its "widely disapproved" I will leave you alone, its the same as talking to a brick wall and derails the topic.

 

I have posted loads, here is yet another one from the NYT. Or is that not a credible source anymore?

 

A majority of Americans disapprove of Israel’s military actions in Gaza, in a pronounced shift from November, according to a new poll released by Gallup on Wednesday.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/27/world/middleeast/military-action-americans-gaza.html

[Bkk Brian]

Your link to a US poll, not the US gov which was you claim and you really need to get your other links sorted, just because its free to you, does not mean its free to everyone that's why it needs a separate paywall free link. Your NYT link is also paywalled

 

Edited April 2 by Bkk Brian

[Neeranam]

Quote

Israel has Violated Everything

‘Most Unethical Army in the World’ – Palestine Chronicle Assesses the Damage at Gaza’s Al-Shifa Hospital

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/most-unethical-army-in-the-world-palestine-chronicle-assesses-the-damage-at-gazas-al-shifa-hospital/

[Wobblybob]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

‘Most Unethical Army in the World’ – Palestine Chronicle Assesses the Damage at Gaza’s Al-Shifa Hospital

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/most-unethical-army-in-the-world-palestine-chronicle-assesses-the-damage-at-gazas-al-shifa-hospital/

Nothing unethical about killing terrorists. 

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

‘Most Unethical Army in the World’ – Palestine Chronicle Assesses the Damage at Gaza’s Al-Shifa Hospital

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/most-unethical-army-in-the-world-palestine-chronicle-assesses-the-damage-at-gazas-al-shifa-hospital/

 

    Terror group uses hospital as a base to launch attacks 

Terror group complains when hospital is put out of action and can no longer be used as a base 

[rattlesnake]

52 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your link to a US poll, not the US gov which was you claim and you really need to get your other links sorted, just because its free to you, does not mean its free to everyone that's why it needs a separate paywall free link. Your NYT link is also paywalled

 

 

No, my claim was "The point I am making is that the general opinion on this issue is shifting and Israel's supporters are damaging their image and therefore their cause by so steadfastly refusing to take a step back on this issue."

 

For the third time in this thread, your position is intenable.

 

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

No, my claim was "The point I am making is that the general opinion on this issue is shifting and Israel's supporters are damaging their image and therefore their cause by so steadfastly refusing to take a step back on this issue."

 

For the third time in this thread, your position is intenable.

 

For the third time in this thread, your position is intenable.

The only one derailing the topic is you, by systematically posting pro-Israeli content.

 

There is your issue, and to be clear I will carry on topic posting.

[coolcarer]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

‘Most Unethical Army in the World’ – Palestine Chronicle Assesses the Damage at Gaza’s Al-Shifa Hospital

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/most-unethical-army-in-the-world-palestine-chronicle-assesses-the-damage-at-gazas-al-shifa-hospital/

This is a joke surely……lol. Who was it that placed themselves in the hospital among civilians using them as human shields, hundreds of them even in the maternity wards.? The Hamas terrorists neeranam. Wake up. They chose to put people in dire risk. 200 of them killed. More than 500 arrested. 
 

Watched a few vids where they were doing their own destroying of the hospital firing rpgs at the IDF at different parts of the hospital.

[Bkk Brian]

After the extremely successful operation at Shifa Hospital where the IDF dismantled the huge terrorist command center that had taken over the hospital and militarized it. They then went to Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis. This is the one where around 30 of the innocent hostages had been held in rooms there.

 

IDF arrests dozens of Hamas fighters at Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis
The IDF, through its Commando Brigade, conducted searches in Nasser and al-Amal hospitals to prevent the establishment of Hamas infrastructure

According to IDF reports, the suspects were apprehended to ensure that Hamas does not re-establish its presence in these medical facilities. 

The captured individuals have been transferred to the Shin Bet security agency and Military Intelligence Directorate's Unit 504 for further interrogation.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-idf-arrests-dozens-of-hamas-fighters-at-nasser-hospital-in-khan-younis

[Neeranam]

196 Aid workers killed by the IDF

 

[Rimmer]

Some posts citing an unapproved source have been removed also off topic posts and replies 

[Bkk Brian]

Every female captive in Gaza “goes through sexual harassment in some form or another,” released hostage Maya Regev stated in front of a Knesset panel today. 19 women are STILL held in Hamas captivity. 

Every day, every minute, every second that goes by they are suffering the most inhumane treatment imaginable. No one can deny that sexual assault is one of Hamas’s many atrocities and war crimes.

We must act in every way in our power to bring them home now!

 

Israeli delegation to return from Cairo after submitting an 'updated proposal'

Israel's delegation to Cairo, comprising of top Mossad, Shin Bet and IDF officials, will depart from the talks having formulated an "updated" proposal for a hostage deal, the Prime Minister's Office said Tuesday.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-israeli-delegation-to-return-from-cairo-after-submitting-an-updated-proposal

 

[Jeff the Chef]

Al Jazeera’s senior political analyst Marwan Bishara highlights the current situation, emphasizing whether the attack on the aid convoy was deliberate or part of a systematic and indiscriminate use of force in Gaza. He suggests examining the broader context to understand the motives behind such actions.

 

 

[Wobblybob]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

Al Jazeera’s senior political analyst Marwan Bishara highlights the current situation, emphasizing whether the attack on the aid convoy was deliberate or part of a systematic and indiscriminate use of force in Gaza. He suggests examining the broader context to understand the motives behind such actions.

 

 

It's a war, mistakes can be made.......Hamas started this war?

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Al Jazeera’s senior political analyst Marwan Bishara highlights the current situation, emphasizing whether the attack on the aid convoy was deliberate or part of a systematic and indiscriminate use of force in Gaza. He suggests examining the broader context to understand the motives behind such actions.

 

 

Topic on this here already where you are posting.

 

Edited April 3 by Bkk Brian

[coolcarer]

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

196 Aid workers killed by the IDF

 

“In response to Israel’s assassination of 196 aid workers”

 

Thats not what Guterras said, oh ok it was the Palestine state making things up. 

[Jeff the Chef]

19 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

“In response to Israel’s assassination of 196 aid workers”

 

Thats not what Guterras said, oh ok it was the Palestine state making things up. 

 

Oh yes he did.

 

 

Secretary-General's remarks to the Informal Plenary Meeting of the General Assembly - on Human Security [as delivered]

 

https://www.un.org/sg/en/content/sg/statement/2024-04-02/secretary-generals-remarks-the-informal-plenary-meeting-of-the-general-assembly-human-security-delivered

 

The devastating Israeli airstrikes that killed World Central Kitchen personnel yesterday bring the number of aid workers killed in this conflict to 196 – including more than 175 members of our own UN staff.

This is unconscionable – but it is an inevitable result of the way the war is being conducted.

It demonstrates yet again the urgent need for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire, the unconditional release of all hostages, and the expansion of humanitarian aid into Gaza – as the Security Council demanded in its resolution last week.

The resolution must be implemented without delay.

[coolcarer]

9 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Oh yes he did.

 

 

Secretary-General's remarks to the Informal Plenary Meeting of the General Assembly - on Human Security [as delivered]

 

https://www.un.org/sg/en/content/sg/statement/2024-04-02/secretary-generals-remarks-the-informal-plenary-meeting-of-the-general-assembly-human-security-delivered

 

The devastating Israeli airstrikes that killed World Central Kitchen personnel yesterday bring the number of aid workers killed in this conflict to 196 – including more than 175 members of our own UN staff.

This is unconscionable – but it is an inevitable result of the way the war is being conducted.

It demonstrates yet again the urgent need for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire, the unconditional release of all hostages, and the expansion of humanitarian aid into Gaza – as the Security Council demanded in its resolution last week.

The resolution must be implemented without delay.

Now go back and read my post again, particularly the quote I copied. 🥱

[Jeff the Chef]

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

196 Aid workers killed by the IDF

 

 

41 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

“In response to Israel’s assassination of 196 aid workers”

 

Thats not what Guterras said, oh ok it was the Palestine state making things up. 

 

8 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Now go back and read my post again, particularly the quote I copied. 🥱

 

I've gone back, now what?

[coolcarer]

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

 

I've gone back, now what?

Ok this is obviously going over your head in some unfathomable way. Read my quote from the twitter post. 
 

“In response to Israel’s assassination of 196 aid worker”

 

The first issue is that this is a lie. the second, Guterras did not say that, it was the Palestinian State twitter.

 

Got it now 🥱
 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

17 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Ok this is obviously going over your head in some unfathomable way. Read my quote from the twitter post. 
 

“In response to Israel’s assassination of 196 aid worker”

 

The first issue is that this is a lie. the second, Guterras did not say that, it was the Palestinian State twitter.

 

Got it now 🥱
 

 

 Yes I get that you tried to insinuate that the statement was a lie by the Palestinian State and that was not what Guterras said.

 

Now go to my post that called out your misinformation and you will see that is exactly what he said.

[coolcarer]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 Yes I get that you tried to insinuate that the statement was a lie by the Palestinian State and that was not what Guterras said.

 

Now go to my post that called out your misinformation and you will see that is exactly what he said.

No you don’t get it at all and I have no need to go to any posts from your tedious responses. this is where I stop feeding you

[Jeff the Chef]

19 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

No you don’t get it at all and I have no need to go to any posts from your tedious responses. this is where I stop feeding you

 

Great, I'll try to not post facts confirming comments made by the UN General Secretary are not as reported by other posters which get called out as misinformation.

[coolcarer]

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Great, I'll try to not post facts confirming comments made by the UN General Secretary are not as reported by other posters which get called out as misinformation.

Link to where he said this or stop lying.

 

“In response to Israel’s assassination of 196 aid worker”

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

8 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

IDF arrests dozens of Hamas fighters at Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis
The IDF, through its Commando Brigade, conducted searches in Nasser and al-Amal hospitals to prevent the establishment of Hamas infrastructure

According to IDF reports, the suspects were apprehended to ensure that Hamas does not re-establish its presence in these medical facilities. 

The captured individuals have been transferred to the Shin Bet security agency and Military Intelligence Directorate's Unit 504 for further interrogation.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-idf-arrests-dozens-of-hamas-fighters-at-nasser-hospital-in-khan-younis

Reminder of the reports of around 30 hostages kept at Nasser Hospital

 

Testimony from a freed hostage and a Hamas terrorist shows that Hamas operates from the Nasser hospital. Released hostage Sharon Alony Cunio said Hamas terrorists held her and nearly 30 other hostages on the first floor of the Nasser hospital, where she was told to sleep beside her three-year-old twins “on a small bed, using a bloodstained pillow,” according to Israeli media.

Additionally, a Hamas operative confirmed the terrorist group held hostages in the Nasser hospital’s wards. In the newly released footage, the Hamas militant explains that the hospital has “three rooms for Hamas” 

https://www.the10-7project.com/2024/02/16/icymi-evidence-shows-hamas-operates-from-the-nasser-hospital/

[Neeranam]

 

[still kicking]

5 hours ago, Neeranam said:

 

Yes disgusting 

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