Justice Department investigating door plug blowout on Alaska Airlines flight, report says

[Georgealbert]

15 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

Thanks for posting all those recent incident reports for the A320.

 

 

The FAA found staff at Boeing's supplier using liquid Dawn soap as lubricant for a 737 Max door seal: NYT

 

The Federal Aviation Administration auditors saw mechanics for a Boeing supplier using liquid Dawn soap as a lubricant for fitting a door seal, The New York Times reported.

 

The regulator then observed mechanics at Spirit AeroSystems, which builds the fuselage of Boeing's 737 Max, cleaning up using a wet cheesecloth, per The Times' Mark Walker.

 

The slides said that Boeing had failed 33 of 89 product audits related to 737 Max production, while Spirit failed seven of 13 audits, per The Times.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/faa-boeing-spirit-aerosystems-dawn-soap-door-seal-737-max-2024-3

 

Yes I fully agree.

 

I am not supporting Boeing, and could post the same type of recent incidents for their aircraft. Just trying to show that reported aircraft incidents are a regular occurrence, regardless of the manufacturer.

Boeing is having a rough ride at present, in the media, and rightly so. The FAA and their past alliance with Boeing should share some of that blame. Also some of the recent incidents are solely down to the airlines, but mention Boeing in the headlines sales the news.

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The problem is that airlines have little choice but to still buy from Boeing, as Boeing and Airbus have such a large share of the market. Airbus alone could never keep up with current and future demands.

 

 

 

 

[impulse]

44 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

Some now you’re moving on from your alternative reality, conspiracy theory about empty seats, to an agenda to suit your racist and misogynist characteristics.

Using my own background as an example, 20% of engineering graduates are female.  13% of practicing engineers are female.   If a bunch of companies decide to hire 50% female engineers, some of them are going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel.  If it's even possible at all to fulfill a 50% quota.  That's not mysogyny.  That's numbers.

 

Since 2012, the number of women studying engineering has remained virtually the same. According to a 2019 report from the United States Census Bureau, female engineers represent only about 13% of the total engineering workforce. 

 

While women make up about 20% of engineering graduates, Harvard Business Review reported that 40% of women who received an engineering degree either never enter the profession or quit.  

 

https://www.thomasnet.com/insights/where-are-america-s-women-engineers/

[Georgealbert]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Using my own background as an example, 20% of engineering graduates are female.  13% of practicing engineers are female.   If a bunch of companies decide to hire 50% female engineers, some of them are going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel.  If it's even possible at all to fulfill a 50% quota.  That's not mysogyny.  That's numbers.

 

Since 2012, the number of women studying engineering has remained virtually the same. According to a 2019 report from the United States Census Bureau, female engineers represent only about 13% of the total engineering workforce. 

 

While women make up about 20% of engineering graduates, Harvard Business Review reported that 40% of women who received an engineering degree either never enter the profession or quit.  

 

https://www.thomasnet.com/insights/where-are-america-s-women-engineers/

Why don’t you politely just go away

 

This thread is about Boeing and deals with facts. It does not need conspiracy theory foil hatters, bigots or racists.

 

Your posts clearly show that you continue to push your own vile alternative agendas.

 

I find some of your comments embarrassing for you, and completely out of touch with what should be acceptable in the real world. 
 

If I agreed with you opinions, that would just make us both wrong and fools.

 

I have added a link to what must be one of your talking points, from Fox, (the channel that says it does not broadcast news, just opinions and had to pay 787 million for lies).

 

https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/pilots-hired-based-merit-not-diversity-safety-top-priority-aviation-expert-says

[Georgealbert]

I am also amazed how many different companies and countries build parts for the 737.

 

https://simpleflying.com/putting-together-boeing-737-process-guide/#:~:text=The Boeing 737 aircraft is,the UK and South Carolina.

[Georgealbert]

It now seems that the Boeing criminal probe has been expanded with a Seattle Grand Jury Subpoena

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-15/boeing-criminal-probe-widens-with-seattle-grand-jury-subpoena

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/15/business/boeing-subpoenas-grand-jury.html

[Georgealbert]

5 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

Boeing 737-800 was missing an external panel when it landed in Oregon

No emergency was declared for the United Airlines flight, and there was no indication of damage when the aircraft was in the air.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boeing-737-800-was-missing-external-panel-landed-oregon-rcna143686

 

 

Here is a picture of the missing panel, would not have been hard to miss.

[AverageAussie]

On 3/16/2024 at 9:51 AM, Georgealbert said:

This recent case is a defamation suit, using AIR 21 (law protecting airline safety whistleblowers), he initiated against Boeing, so it was himself that placed him there, in-front of the “hostile defence lawyer”.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you. John was the litigant and Boeing the defendant in this case. He would have been warned  about the stress & difficulties of being cross-examined in court. I've been in the chair myself. Every victim of crime and witness faces that dilemma: "Do I want to go through this?"

 

But that doesn't make it any easier on the day. And some people deal with that stress better than others.

[Georgealbert]

13 minutes ago, AverageAussie said:

 

I'm not disagreeing with you. John was the litigant and Boeing the defendant in this case. He would have been warned  about the stress & difficulties of being cross-examined in court. I've been in the chair myself. Every victim of crime and witness faces that dilemma: "Do I want to go through this?"

 

But that doesn't make it any easier on the day. And some people deal with that stress better than others.

Yes fully agree.

 

I have also been on the stand many times, and it always made me nervous and never got any easier.

 

John Barnett was suffering PTSD and got his message, about Boeing, over very effectively, so just wonder if this case was just for his own final closure or even revenge.
 

The defamation hearing was attracting almost zero media coverage before his death.

 

Also there seems to be little official update on the investigation, that I can find.

[AverageAussie]

Perceptions matter and "brand trust" for airlines is critical. At least it's still in positive territory.

 

 

Analysis by Anna Fleck, Statista
March 18, 2024

[Georgealbert]

Details of John Barnett “retaliation claim” issued by his lawyers. This was the case he was giving testimony on, at the time of his death.

 

https://abcnews4.com/news/local/whistleblowers-complaint-against-boeing-revealed-after-mysterious-death-in-charleston-wciv-abc-news-4-boeing-south-carolina-wciv-abc-news-4-boeing-south-carolina-retaliation

[AverageAussie]

Thanks for sharing that.

 

Looking at the overall sequence of events, it seems there might have been some real victimisation happening (by Boeing directed to their employee). If nothing else, here is an exemplary long-term staff member that suddenly took a nosedive in (internal) ratings. So something changed.

 

I do however agree that this is a historical HR issue, not "directly" linked to Boeing's other current issues. If Boeing is going to get out of this mess of its own making and doesn't address their culture of fear first, then it will all be a waste of time & investor's money.

[Georgealbert]

Seems some airlines still support Boeing. 
 

Ryanair CEO Michael O’Leary, maybe is just seeking a large discount with his support, as he earlier offered to buy up any 737 max aircraft, if other airlines cancel their orders.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/ryanair-michael-oleary-bruno-le-maire-french-finance-ministers-boeing-comments/

 

[Georgealbert]

FBI send letter to Alaska Airlines passengers, telling them they may be victims of a crime.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/fbi-to-alaska-airlines-flight-1282-passengers-you-may-be-a-crime-victim/#:~:text=The agency sent a letter,as the plane left Portland.

 

[impulse]

4 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

FBI send letter to Alaska Airlines passengers, telling them they may be victims of a crime.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/fbi-to-alaska-airlines-flight-1282-passengers-you-may-be-a-crime-victim/#:~:text=The agency sent a letter,as the plane left Portland.

 

Thanks for the update.  Can you summarize?  It's behind a paywall for those who have exceeded the Seattle Times free limit...

 

[Georgealbert]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Thanks for the update.  Can you summarize?  It's behind a paywall for those who have exceeded the Seattle Times free limit...

 

Here is a summary of the report.

 

The FBI sent a letter to passengers Tuesday, 19 March, confirming that the agency has opened a criminal investigation following the Jan. 5 blowout.
 

The letter was sent by a victim support specialist at the FBI’s Seattle office was shared with The Seattle Times by a passenger, as well as an attorney representing several passengers on board.

 

“As a Victim Specialist with the Seattle Division, I’m contacting you because we have identified you as a possible victim of a crime,” 

 

“This case is currently under investigation by the FBI. A criminal investigation can be a lengthy undertaking, and for several reasons, we cannot tell you about its progress at this time.” 
 

Mark Lindquist, one of the attorneys involved, said the FBI has not yet asked his clients for any additional information but he expects the letter is a sign the agency will ask to interview those on board.

[impulse]

2 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

Here is a summary of the report.

 Thanks for that!

[AverageAussie]

On 3/22/2024 at 8:55 AM, Georgealbert said:

Seems some airlines still support Boeing. 
 

Ryanair CEO Michael O’Leary, maybe is just seeking a large discount with his support, as he earlier offered to buy up any 737 max aircraft, if other airlines cancel their orders.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/ryanair-michael-oleary-bruno-le-maire-french-finance-ministers-boeing-comments/

 

 

I remember reading somewhere that even if Boeing suddenly ceased production or went out of business (unlikely), then Airbus is in no position to ramp up production to meet the shortfall anytime soon.

 

Personally, I think that Boeing might be a prime target for takeover (hostile or otherwise) given the value of it's other businesses - especially military. Maybe the previous joint ventures with Embraer could be rejigged - if they can raise capital and/or finance and overcome their own issues. Maybe a syndicate? But one entity that is out of the running would be Comac. Congress would never allow it, especially as they are currently shooing off other Chinese entities such as Tiktok and some infamously opportunistic & nationalistic Presidential candidate is watching in the wings.  

[Georgealbert]

31 minutes ago, AverageAussie said:

 

I remember reading somewhere that even if Boeing suddenly ceased production or went out of business (unlikely), then Airbus is in no position to ramp up production to meet the shortfall anytime soon.

 

Personally, I think that Boeing might be a prime target for takeover (hostile or otherwise) given the value of it's other businesses - especially military. Maybe the previous joint ventures with Embraer could be rejigged - if they can raise capital and/or finance and overcome their own issues. Maybe a syndicate? But one entity that is out of the running would be Comac. Congress would never allow it, especially as they are currently shooing off other Chinese entities such as Tiktok and some infamously opportunistic & nationalistic Presidential candidate is watching in the wings.  

 

From CAPA - Centre for Aviation.
 

“The global order backlog reached a record high in 2023…

 

The global order backlog of passenger aircraft reached a record year-end level of 15,933 at the end of 2023.

 

This high number of outstanding orders reflects both strong demand for aircraft and the low production rates of recent years.”

 

https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/reports/global-aircraft-order-backlog-hits-13-years-airbus-beats-boeing-on-key-metrics-672470
 

I think Boeing are too well protected from any take over, just think there will be another change of CEO and/or senior management. Remember under the last administration, Boeing was protected from prosecution, after federal prosecutors entered into a deferred prosecution agreement with the company, from the previous max incidents/accidents.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/02/13/boeing-prosecution-737-crashes/

 

The government press release on the agreement from 7 January 2021.

 

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/boeing-charged-737-max-fraud-conspiracy-and-agrees-pay-over-25-billion

 

We have a long way to go before seeing the Chinese Comac C919, as a serious contender. It will struggle to get overseas certification, FAA, CAA,EASA, etc.

 

 

 

[Georgealbert]

Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun to step down; board chair and commercial airplane head replaced in wake of 737 Max crisis.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/25/boeing-ceo-board-chair-commercial-head-out-737-max-crisis.html

On 3/23/2024 at 6:18 AM, Georgealbert said:

 

I think Boeing are too well protected from any take over, just think there will be another change of CEO and/or senior management. Remember under the last administration, Boeing was protected from prosecution, after federal prosecutors entered into a deferred prosecution agreement with the company, from the previous max incidents/accidents.

 

Some airlines are still not yet even considering dropping Boeing, “Virgin Australia considers switching orders from 737 MAX 10 to 737 MAX 8s”

 

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/virgin-australia-737-order-switch

[AverageAussie]

On 3/26/2024 at 12:12 AM, Georgealbert said:

Some airlines are still not yet even considering dropping Boeing, “Virgin Australia considers switching orders from 737 MAX 10 to 737 MAX 8s”

 

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/virgin-australia-737-order-switch

 

I wouldn't read too much into it. VA's entire fleet is based on the 737 (post administration) and it would take a quantum leap at a time when they are still consolidating to swap over. They'd be on the short-list for one of the least likely carriers to switch manufacturers.

 

Other airlines? Who knows? How quickly they can get delivery for a new order also matters.

[Georgealbert]

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton opened an investigation into Boeing supplier Spirit AeroSystems.

 

https://www.axios.com/2024/03/29/boeing-supplier-spirit-aerosystems-texas-investigation

[Georgealbert]

Good article giving some more views and background, on John Barnett and the way Boeing operates.

https://prospect.org/infrastructure/transportation/2024-03-28-suicide-mission-boeing/

 

[Georgealbert]

Boeing executives failed to lead, so we should be asking, “What’s wrong with Boeing’s culture and leadership?”

 

https://www.industryweek.com/operations/continuous-improvement/article/55001296/boeing-executives-failed-to-lead-waved-off-lean

[Georgealbert]

Boeing's door plug blowout 737 Max 9 was more than a month behind schedule.

 

https://qz.com/boeing-737-max-alaska-airlines-production-investigation-1851381805

[impulse]

The interview also drew attention to a lack of commitment and relation to the airplane industry that top executives possess, with the insider pointing to the current CEO and CFO having gained their experience at General Electric. Top executives are also disconnected from average workers at the company, who would rather not incorporate politics into business as DEI initiatives do.

 

“The headquarters in Arlington is empty,” the insider told Rufo. “Nobody lives there. It is an empty executive suite. The CEO lives in New Hampshire. The CFO lives in Connecticut. The head of HR lives in Orlando. We just instituted a policy that everyone has to come into work five days a week — except the executive council, which can use the private jets to travel to meetings. And that is the story: it is a company that is under caretakers. It is not under owners. And it is not under people who love airplanes.”

 

Wow.  Just wow.  The article was about their disastrous DEI program, but this is disturbing, too.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/04/04/empty-executive-suite-boeing-insider-lays-companys-diversity/

[Georgealbert]

18 hours ago, impulse said:

The interview also drew attention to a lack of commitment and relation to the airplane industry that top executives possess, with the insider pointing to the current CEO and CFO having gained their experience at General Electric. Top executives are also disconnected from average workers at the company, who would rather not incorporate politics into business as DEI initiatives do.

 

“The headquarters in Arlington is empty,” the insider told Rufo. “Nobody lives there. It is an empty executive suite. The CEO lives in New Hampshire. The CFO lives in Connecticut. The head of HR lives in Orlando. We just instituted a policy that everyone has to come into work five days a week — except the executive council, which can use the private jets to travel to meetings. And that is the story: it is a company that is under caretakers. It is not under owners. And it is not under people who love airplanes.”

 

Wow.  Just wow.  The article was about their disastrous DEI program, but this is disturbing, too.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/04/04/empty-executive-suite-boeing-insider-lays-companys-diversity/

So again, instead of using reliable and credible aviation sites, you find another option piece from a right wing alternative news site that just fits your own agenda.

 

This adds nothing to facts of the investigation,  can you please provide a link or source, to where any of these issues are being considered as part of the real investigation, by either the Justice Department or the NTSB.

The article is about a claimed “unnamed Boeing insider” (can you see the lack of credibility yet?), and is just a kite flying piece for the tin foil hat nuts, that lack critical thinking, and just push their own bigoted and bias views, rather than the facts.

 

So, I suggest that you find some real information, rather than continue to prove you're as sharp as a marble, blinded by your own ignorance and hate.

 

[impulse]

2 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

So again, instead of using reliable and credible aviation sites, you find another option piece from a right wing alternative news site that just fits your own agenda.

 

This adds nothing to facts of the investigation,  can you please provide a link or source, to where any of these issues are being considered as part of the real investigation, by either the Justice Department or the NTSB.

The article is about a claimed “unnamed Boeing insider” (can you see the lack of credibility yet?), and is just a kite flying piece for the tin foil hat nuts, that lack critical thinking, and just push their own bigoted and bias views, rather than the facts.

 

So, I suggest that you find some real information, rather than continue to prove you're as sharp as a marble, blinded by your own ignorance and hate.

 

 

If you don't like what I post, put me on ignore.  Please.  We'll both be happier.

 

 

[Georgealbert]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

If you don't like what I post, put me on ignore.  Please.  We'll both be happier.

 

 

55555, so again nothing.
 

I choose to have an ignore list of zero.

 

What I do not like is threads being hijacked to promote your ill informed, racist, bigoted, misogynist agenda and.views.

 

Try posting real facts from credible sources, not the alternative right wing propaganda nonsense you seemed to think is the only truth, you just continue to embarrass yourself. Find something better than a quote from an unnamed source!!!

 

So again, I politely say, go away, as you clearly are not a very pleasant person, and are easily lead to further promote your ignorance. 

[impulse]

30 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

So again, I politely say, go away, as you clearly are not a very pleasant person, and are easily lead to further promote your ignorance. 

 

So let's summarize.  From my most recent post and the link, it turns out the CEO and CFO of Boeing are not airplane guys.  They're from the GE camp.  And neither one lives anywhere near an airplane factory (nor do most of the top management)

 

From your most recent post, we've only learned that I am a hateful bigot and not a pleasant person.  Which do you think adds more to the discussion?

 

If you wanna refute what I post, fine.  I welcome any corrections based on facts.  But come with the facts.  

 

Unpleasant?  That's confession by projection.  I have been nothing but civil in this and the other Boeing and Alaska discussions.

 

So, please, put me on ignore.

 

[Georgealbert]

23 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

So let's summarize.  From my most recent post and the link, it turns out the CEO and CFO of Boeing are not airplane guys.  They're from the GE camp.  And neither one lives anywhere near an airplane factory (nor do most of the top management)

 

From your most recent post, we've only learned that I am a hateful bigot and not a pleasant person.  Which do you think adds more to the discussion?

 

If you wanna refute what I post, fine.  I welcome any corrections based on facts.  But come with the facts.  

 

Unpleasant?  That's confession by projection.  I have been nothing but civil in this and the other Boeing and Alaska discussions.

 

So, please, put me on ignore.

 

55555, so funny, nothing new to add and again trying to deflect the subject. Your post was about your “diversity obsession” fantasy.

 

I fully stand by my opinions of you, your comment add nothing of relevance or new to the thread. Bit like your totally embarrassing “wingnut” conspiracy theory calculation, see below.

 

You seem to suffer alethophobia, and are easily lead by the alternative sites you follow. I think the fact that the Dailycaller was found by Tucker (that honest and truthful lier). And a quick search of journalist Christopher Rufo, shows he pushes the same bigoted agenda.

 

So no I will not put you on ignore, I will continue to call you out on the nonsense you posts, so that people get facts, not the false agenda you continue to try to force on others. Try living in the real world, not that alternative fantasy inside that ill informed head.

 

Have a good day.